Building a budget AMD pc for my little brother

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

This are my choices for Motherboard and APU

Processor: AMD A8-6600K (3.9HZ)
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-F2A88XM-HD3 (rev. 3.0)

I already have old rams from my old pc. I was wondering if they would work really well without any GPU. And please give me a good powersupply around 40 - 50$ thanks

 

[IInuyasha74]

Just curious, what is your old PC specs?

Do you expect to play games? If so I would highly advise jumping up to an A10, as its not a lot more cost and gives a good added performance. Then it can play games decently well with low settings, and older games it does well with medium to high.

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

Just curious, what is your old PC specs?

Do you expect to play games? If so I would highly advise jumping up to an A10, as its not a lot more cost and gives a good added performance. Then it can play games decently well with low settings, and older games it does well with medium to high.

My old pc doesnt work anymore it was an intel i3. Hmmm this is the only a10 available in my country AMD A10-5800K processor. What would be a good motherboard that wouldn't cost too much?

 

[spdragoo]

Depends on what he wants to use it for.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1282

It won't handle demanding games like BF4 all that well, but less demanding games will run quite well on it.

Just make sure your RAM is compatible (i.e. don't try to reuse old DDR2 sticks on a DDR3 board).

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

I have ddr3 rams. My bro only plays dota2,league and bluestacks(clash of clans)

 

[IInuyasha74]

What country are you in?

Your old PC might not work, I am wanting to know for other reasons. For example the PSU might be salvageable off of it, or if not maybe some other component you didn't think about like the cooler. Its worth thinking about.

The A10-5800k isn't so bad. The A10-6### CPUs are better cause they use a little less power with higher performance, but if you can't get one the A10-5800k isn't bad.

What is available there? I have built two systems with these, an A10-5800k and an A10-6800k system and both times used ultra low end MSI boards that cost around $30USD. So anything that doesn't have a lot of reports of being dead on arrival is probably fine, but knowing your choices I can help pick better.

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

What country are you in?

Your old PC might not work, I am wanting to know for other reasons. For example the PSU might be salvageable off of it, or if not maybe some other component you didn't think about like the cooler. Its worth thinking about.

The A10-5800k isn't so bad. The A10-6### CPUs are better cause they use a little less power with higher performance, but if you can't get one the A10-5800k isn't bad.

What is available there? I have built two systems with these, an A10-5800k and an A10-6800k system and both times used ultra low end MSI boards that cost around $30USD. So anything that doesn't have a lot of reports of being dead on arrival is probably fine, but knowing your choices I can help pick better.

Hey I will get the amd a10-5800k about the mobo do you think the gigabyte is all good? I'm planning on getting a new PSU too.

this is the website http://pcx.com.ph/components/motherboard/amd-platform.html

 

[IInuyasha74]

One more question about RAM, how much do you have? Cause it will use system RAM for the graphics, and having at least 6GB is best. 4GB is okay but will be a little held back by that. Also its very important you have it set in a dual-channel configuration.

Gigabyte is an excellent board maker, but like I said let me know where you are located and what tech sites you have available for example and I will see if its the best one for the money. Gigabyte is one of the best, but for the low end they compete with ASUS, MSI, Asrock, Biostar, and other lower brand makers, and none of these have a clear lead in the low end market because of the boards being budget oriented. Though Biostar tends to do really well in budget areas as they are the most budget oriented company through all levels, and tend to have better deals for budget boards than they do high end boards as a result.

EDIT: Posted before you updated with the website, sorry. I'll check it out now and let you know which looks good, whats your price limit?

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

Yes i have 6 gigs. I have like 12k Php. Thanks a lot for the help mate

 

[IInuyasha74]

Looking through everything:

Best Power supply:
http://pcx.com.ph/components/power-supply/corsair-vs450-450w.html $1700

I looked at all possibilities in your budget and there are Intel choices to consider too. Here are the two best possible systems with a short reasoning why it is better or worse than other system in the list. I also considered an LGA1150 based system, but because the added cost of the motherboard, making it unable to afford a good budget GPU, it wasn't advisable for the minor CPU speed improvement over the Ivy Bridge system below.

1. Ivy Bridge LGA 1155
http://pcx.com.ph/components/intel-core-i3-3240.html $5100 CPU
http://pcx.com.ph/components/motherboard/biostar-h61mlv.html $1800 Motherboard
http://pcx.com.ph/components/graphics-card/zotac-gt640-1gb-ddr3-128bit-synergy-edition-zt-60205-10l-video-card.html $2950 GPU

Total = $11,550

This one has better CPU performance and better GPU performance than the AMD system.

2. AMD FM2
http://pcx.com.ph/components/amd-a10-5800k.html $5650 CPU
http://pcx.com.ph/components/motherboard/amd-platform/asrock-960gc-gs-fx.html $2,300 Motherboard

I went with a slightly better motherboard on this one, because even with the cheapest motherboard it went past your budget to add the GPU, and it didn't really make sense to anyways since the Intel system has better CPU performance already. The only advantage this system has is its integrated graphics, but this isn't able to compete with the better dedicated GPU. It is a lot cheaper if you need to buy anything else. The reason I went with this motherboard is it gives 4 RAM slots, and thats helpful for future upgrades but has none of the motherboards really out shined the other. To make matters worse this one will be harmed more if you only have 4GB of RAM, if you have 6GB then it will be okay though with no real impact.

Over all I would say get the Intel system, it is faster, better graphics, uses less power, stays cooler. The only real reason for the AMD is if you need to buy other graphics. It also is more friendly to having 4GB of RAM since it has a dedicated GPU.

 

[IInuyasha74]

Yes i have 6 gigs. I have like 12k Php. Thanks a lot for the help mate

No problem. I just got back to the USA from China yesterday, so I am trying to stay up all night till tomorrow night to get back on track with the time zones. So this helps me lol.

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

Hmmm what if we put a gpu on the amd set up?

 

[IInuyasha74]

Well I know the AMD system says it is a quad-core, but for a very long story, its not. Long story short it is slower than the Intel CPU so in a direct competition between the two Intel would win. While you could buy a less expensive GPU and put on the AMD setup to not run over your budget, the CPU and GPU performance would still run less than the Intel + The above listed GPU performance.

Its sad to see, but AMD made a big error with their last CPUs and so they have been in a lot of trouble for about 3 years now where its increasingly harder to suggest them to people. Their performance and power consumption are much worse than Intel. THey did have an advantage in price for a time, but as newer Intel CPUs come out, the old ones get cheaper and that has also vanished now. If they don't change soon, they could go out of business asa desktop CPU maker.

 

[Kevin Joe Reyes]

Thanks mate i will get your intel build ^_^

 

[IInuyasha74]

No problem, hope your brother likes it.

 

[Wisecracker]

You need to ignore that guy -- he spec'd an AM3 motherboard for the Trinity A10-5800K and his 'bait-and-switch' to Intel is typical of his behavior ...

AMD A10-5800K: ₱ 5,650.00
GB GA-F2A88XM-HD3: ₱ 3,300.00
Enermax NAXN Tomahawk II - 500 Watt: ₱ 1,700.00
or
Corsair VS550: ₱ 2,300.00

Enermax makes good PSUs. That model has *2* 12v rails (a single rail is preferred but not required) but the PCIe rail will easily handle a discreet video card like the R9 270.

The Corsair 2 PCIe connectors that would handle a video card like the R9 270X. It's interesting that each power supply has 43A on the 12v rail(s) but Corsair claims 550w -- that makes me like the Enermax even more, but the single video connector (and dual rails) balance that out.

 

[IInuyasha74]

You need to ignore that guy -- he spec'd an AM3 motherboard for the Trinity A10-5800K and his 'bait-and-switch' to Intel is typical of his behavior ...

AMD A10-5800K: ₱ 5,650.00
GB GA-F2A88XM-HD3: ₱ 3,300.00
Enermax NAXN Tomahawk II - 500 Watt: ₱ 1,700.00
or
Corsair VS550: ₱ 2,300.00

Enermax makes good PSUs. That model has *2* 12v rails (a single rail is preferred but not required) but the PCIe rail will easily handle a discreet video card like the R9 270.

The Corsair 2 PCIe connectors that would handle a video card like the R9 270X. It's interesting that each power supply has 43A on the 12v rail(s) but Corsair claims 550w -- that makes me like the Enermax even more, but the single video connector (and dual rails) balance that out.

Dude do you know anything about computers? Like at all? Seriously?
Yes I made a mistake with the motherboard cause I thought I had it set to FM2 boards only and have been up for a while. I didn't do it on purpose, and it doesn't change the situation.

I went with Corsair PSU I went with cause I know them as a good brand and its true they make good products. As for mentioning the PCI-e and 12v rails its completely irrelevant as the GPU he is getting doesn't need one, its a budget system and likely won't have to worry about an upgrade. Even if he does its likely the Corsair will handle it without issue. If he wants to switch to the Enermax, thats fine, but it doesn't change the rest of the system.

You honestly advise him to get a more expensive AMD CPU and Motherboard, with worse performance and power consumption in all areas than the Intel options? Seriously do you even know anything about computers at all?

 

[Wisecracker]

And, in addition to suggesting a motherboard that will not work with his CPU selection, you recommended a cheap Biostar H61 motherboard with 2 DIMM slots, no USB3, no SATA3, and no Haswell or Broadwell upgrade path.

Keep trolling, Bro ...

 

[IInuyasha74]

And you are suggesting a motherboard with even fewer upgrade options in terms of the CPU performance, so that argument makes no sense.

For the 2 DIMM slots, its not likely to be an issue cause this is a budget system likely not to get much of an upgrade in terms of that, and even if he does 8GB from 2x4GB RAM is all he would ever need.

For the SATA 3, USB 3, these are minor details in overall performance. For a small increase in price he can get those too on the Intel build and still have better CPU and GPU performance.