Build Advice Building a new PC, thoughts on the parts?

[oleman123]

Budget: $2900~ (USD)

Use Case: Gaming in 1440p

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($409.96 @ Amazon.sg)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.55 @ Amazon.sg)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($285.27 @ Amazon.sg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($145.48 @ Amazon.sg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($97.90 @ Amazon.sg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($160.86 @ Amazon.sg)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.87 @ Amazon.sg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($1009 @ Amazon.sg)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case ($238.29)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($138.75 @ Amazon.sg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.51 )
Total: $2,744.44

Additional Comments: I would love some feedback on the parts listed above, any opinions on a better/more suitable part is greatly appreciated.

EDIT:
I changed the price of the parts to what I can get it for in Singapore instead of the default prices given when I used pcpartpicker.com.

 

[Karadjgne]

Hdds are good for 2 things. Uber big storage, like the 6Gb that logainofhades suggested, since any Sata drive that big is still somewhat outrageous in price (for a decent, reliable drive), and for uber long-term, little use files.

Your typical hdd will read/write data at @ 125MB/s. A Sata3 ssd is @ 550/520MB/s. Gen3 NVMe is @ 3.5/2.5GB/s and some Gen4 NVMe can reach 7.0/5.3GB/s. That's a definitive advantage when using Windows11 DirectStorage with 12thGen or 3/5 series Ryzen on an X570.

For games, that doesn't register as much because of file size. At those speeds, an SSD, Gen3 and Gen4 are all roughly the same, the game files are generally far less than 1MB in size, so whether a file moves at 2000ths of a second, or 3000ths of a second into the ram becomes moot.

The bonus to NVMe comes in large files, which for games is open world maps/zones where the entirety of the structure of that zone gets loaded in one big file. My Skyrim would take upto 2 minutes to change zones with hdd (almost 200 scripted mods). 15-30 seconds with ssd. 5-6 seconds at most with Gen3 NVMe.

If you've ever watched photoshop/corel draw load a picture from hdd, it's as bad as watching cinebench, watching that load line by line. Ssd is far faster, NVMe pretty much just throws the whole picture up in a second or two.

But that's just read speeds. Write speeds come from saving games, downloading from Steam or Origin, things of that nature and Gen4 excels at that, well over what the 'it plays the same' vids show.

Crucial P5 Plus and WD Black SN-850 are as good as it gets for Gen4 at a good price. For Gen3, Samsung is King, but Crucial/WD isn't far behind and often a better value for larger drives like 2Tb-4Tb. A 1Tb Gen4 and a 2Tb Gen3 will be plenty for most gamers or mild power-users. You can always add more later if needs be, even large ssd externals for complete backups.

 

[g-unit1111]

Think these days that hdd's are fine for pictures,music or video's, but for the rest and mean primarely gaming should you use ssd's.

Yeah I agree there, the only reason you need a mechanical hard drive these days is if you need more than 2GB storage at an affordable price. Most average users typically don't need more than 3TB but that varies depending on large media / game / photo collections and that sort of thing.

 

[logainofhades]

Both the OP's build, and mine, had two SSD's, which in my build was for games, with the HDD for anything else, or to backup games that are not frequently played. For instance, I have a friend that saves everything, and never deletes games, because his internet, out in the country, kinda sucks.

 

[Stephanie_Sy]

You'll be keeping the thing for several years, and the new parts are expected to give well above a generational leap in performance.

 

[Karadjgne]

You'll be keeping the thing for several years, and the new parts are expected to give well above a generational leap in performance.

Intel/Nvidia has been saying that for years. And then Broadwell happened, and Skylake, +, +, +, +. Wasn't till Alder lake that anything really worth the wait has happened, and 13th Gen is going to be just a refresh.

 

[logainofhades]

Intel/Nvidia has been saying that for years. And then Broadwell happened, and Skylake, +, +, +, +. Wasn't till Alder lake that anything really worth the wait has happened, and 13th Gen is going to be just a refresh.

GPU's are what I expect will get a nice bump in performance, more so than CPU's.

 

[oleman123]

How much price differential is there if you do this:

Eliminate all spinning hard drives.

Use Gen 3 NVMe or SATA SSD for all hard drives. No Gen 4.

Comparing prices of different combination for 4TB .
Pcie 4.0 + HDD:
SN850 2TB($319.65) + Seagate BarraCuda 2TB ($59.87 ) = $379.52

Pcie 4.0 + SATA SSD:
SN850 2TB($319.65) + Crucial MX500 2TB ($194.70 ) = $514.35

Pcie 3.0:
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB ($281.87) x2 = $563.74

Pcie 3.0 + HDD:
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB ($281.87) + Seagate BarraCuda 2TB ($59.87 ) = $341.74

Pcie 3.0 + SATA SSD:
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB ($281.87) + Crucial MX500 2TB ($194.70 ) = $476.57

SATA SSD:
Crucial MX500 4TB = $345.08

SATA SSD + HDD:
Crucial MX500 2TB ($194.70 ) + Seagate BarraCuda 2TB ($59.87 ) = $254.57

 

[oleman123]

GPU's are what I expect will get a nice bump in performance, more so than CPU's.

The possibility of low stock and crazy spike in the price of the new GPUs are the reasons that are putting me off for waiting.

 

[oleman123]

Hdds are good for 2 things. Uber big storage, like the 6Gb that logainofhades suggested, since any Sata drive that big is still somewhat outrageous in price (for a decent, reliable drive), and for uber long-term, little use files.

Your typical hdd will read/write data at @ 125MB/s. A Sata3 ssd is @ 550/520MB/s. Gen3 NVMe is @ 3.5/2.5GB/s and some Gen4 NVMe can reach 7.0/5.3GB/s. That's a definitive advantage when using Windows11 DirectStorage with 12thGen or 3/5 series Ryzen on an X570.

For games, that doesn't register as much because of file size. At those speeds, an SSD, Gen3 and Gen4 are all roughly the same, the game files are generally far less than 1MB in size, so whether a file moves at 2000ths of a second, or 3000ths of a second into the ram becomes moot.

The bonus to NVMe comes in large files, which for games is open world maps/zones where the entirety of the structure of that zone gets loaded in one big file. My Skyrim would take upto 2 minutes to change zones with hdd (almost 200 scripted mods). 15-30 seconds with ssd. 5-6 seconds at most with Gen3 NVMe.

If you've ever watched photoshop/corel draw load a picture from hdd, it's as bad as watching cinebench, watching that load line by line. Ssd is far faster, NVMe pretty much just throws the whole picture up in a second or two.

But that's just read speeds. Write speeds come from saving games, downloading from Steam or Origin, things of that nature and Gen4 excels at that, well over what the 'it plays the same' vids show.

Crucial P5 Plus and WD Black SN-850 are as good as it gets for Gen4 at a good price. For Gen3, Samsung is King, but Crucial/WD isn't far behind and often a better value for larger drives like 2Tb-4Tb. A 1Tb Gen4 and a 2Tb Gen3 will be plenty for most gamers or mild power-users. You can always add more later if needs be, even large ssd externals for complete backups.

So, a Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB costs $281.87 and a SN850 2TB cost $319.65, if the difference in price is $38, which would you go with?

 

[Why_Me]

So, a Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB costs $281.87 and a SN850 2TB cost $319.65, if the difference in price is $38, which would you go with?

That one.

 

[Lafong]

4 dollars difference between

1 Crucial MX500 SATA 4 gb; 4 gb total

and

1 Samsung 970 Plus NVMe 2 TB and 1 2 TB Seagate HDD; 4 gb total


Hmmmmm.......................

 

[Why_Me]

4 dollars difference between

1 Crucial MX500 SATA 4 gb; 4 gb total

and

1 Samsung 970 Plus NVMe 2 TB and 1 2 TB Seagate HDD; 4 gb total


Hmmmmm.......................

This ^^

 

[Vic 40]

SATA SSD:
Crucial MX500 4TB = $345.08

How is the price is you add a smaller ~250gb ssd for the os and programs? Making the 4tb ssd storage for games etc.

Something like this is for instance something you can get for a decent price and seems to do pretty well,
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bm...2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu512gzx1
this is even a 500gb ssd. Might well and probably does have a different price where you live, but trying to give options.
For an OS drive perfectly fine.

This is a 2tb review,
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-670p-m-2-nvme-ssd-review

 

[Karadjgne]

I have a 2Tb NVMe as only drive. So far I've used up about 1/3rd of it, and that includes 20odd years of pictures moved from pc to pc for the Mrs. My last pc was a 128Gb Samsung 840Pro and a 1Tb WD Blue, neither of which saw more than 60% full.

2Tb is a lot of space for a gamer, most gamers only have a couple of favorite games, especially ones that have monthly costs or online store requirements, so older games get neglected, out of favor, loose out on players to newer games etc. So get removed, deleted, forgotten.

 

[g-unit1111]

The possibility of low stock and crazy spike in the price of the new GPUs are the reasons that are putting me off for waiting.

Same. I need a new graphics card and I'm planning on getting a 3060TI before the 4000 series come out and the market goes volatile again.