Building a new PC

Sooner535

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Hello, first let me say I am not 100% fluent when it comes to PC work, I have picked up a lot but I usually stay away from general talks about components and the likes. With that said I would like to build a new PC, my old one is extremely dated and I could use a new one. Here would be the following requirements:

Under 3,000$ (with shipping included)
Little to no maintenance
Would like to be as close to top line as possible so I don't have to get a new one for a long time, so if it needed to creep over 3k, then that is fine.
I want to connect my PC to my (eventual) new TV, I plan to go for a 70ish inch TV, not a 4k but a HD one, so I imagine a bigger TV needs more powerful components since it is displaying more?

Anyways could someone help me pick out good parts and give me ideas on how to build one correctly? I have a few questions about the whole thing too:

Wiring, can someone give me advice on this? Especially when it comes to the PSU to things? If it's a 4-prong connector, and my GPU and CPU uses a 4-prong one, can it connect to either? Or are there certain rules for that?
When it comes to fans and the like, how often should you air clean the PC?
Why do multiple companies make GTX 1080s for example, which ones are good? What are the bad companies when it comes to components?


Thank you to anyone who helps, I really appreciate it :)
 

WildCard999

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I changed the motherboard since Z370 boards need to have the BIOS updated before they'll work with the 9 series CPU's. Also added in a SSD (you'll thank me later) and changed the fan (red for a black/white build?!?!).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($534.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.31 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 120 PWM 87 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2324.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 19:09 EST-0500


It's a very expensive build and will handle 4K so hopefully that's what you'll use it for as it would be a waste at 1080P. Just a heads up the 4K build I posted above would game just as well for significantly cheaper, something to think about.
 

WildCard999

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70" 1080P HDTV?

You could build a system for that for a third of your budget.

As for the connectors the 4/8 pin goes to the CPU connection on the motherboard, then there's a 24-pin for the motherboard, etc...

Cleaning I usually recommend every 6 months, dusting the system free of dust. If you have pets then maybe every 3-4 months. A oil-less air compressor, when used carefully, works great.

For companies you can't really go wrong, I like ASUS for my motherboards & graphic cards. Just make sure you get a good quality PSU as it's the most important part of your system. And for building it there's a ton of guides online, just take your time. If it doesn't boot up initially don't fret, it's probably something minor you've overlooked.
 

COLGeek

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The notion of more PC is needed for a larger screen is incorrect. It is a matter of how many pixels you have to manipulate that matters. A 70 inch and 20 inch 1080p display/HDTV have the same number of pixels (1920x1080), so size is irrelevant. Just pointing out for your awareness.
 

tennis2

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Yeah, you can build a system that will do 1080p/60Hz gaming on ultra settings for around $800.

I also wouldn't recommend such a large (new) TV with only 1080p resolution.

So are we recommending a 1080p/60FPS build, or?

Country?
Timeframe? (Can we wait until after product launches at CES in January?)
 

NightHawkRMX

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If you want the best pc you can get for $3000 you could get this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QPF6V6
8 core I9 9900k, liquid cooler, 32gb ram, RTX 2080ti 11gb GPU, RGB case, 500gb NVME SSD, 850 watt PSU, z390 motherboard, and RGB 1tb SSD. $2933
For 1080p 60hz you really only need a rig like this:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hqmzxG 6core AMD ryzen 5 2600, X470 Aorus Plus Gaming SLI mobo, 16gb 3200mhz RGB ram, 500gb NVME SSD, 480gb SATA SSD, 2 TB HDD, AMD RX 580 8gb GPU, h500i case, 650-watt modular PSU. $960
Right now the gtx 1070 has been out of production since the heavily overpriced 2070 launched, so the next best thing is a rx580 8gb or a rx590 8gb, which performs like an overclocked 580 but for $100 more. On any 1080p 60hz screen, both systems will perform nearly identically. With any higher res or higher hz monitor you will notice a differance.
 

Sooner535

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Thanks for the awareness input :) I do appreciate that, so what are the benefits and drawbacks of going 4K? I heard from a friend it’s hard to get stable 60FPS on large 4K screens, even with good hardware, Furthermore idk how many games I would play that are 4K, it’s a thing I haven’t needed to jump into, so is it worth it?

Also timeframe would be under 3 months

Furthermore, if I went to PC part picker myself and built it, are there any big comparability problems I should know? Or could I just post it here and someone could help?
 

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4k will look much better and be more immersive, however it will require higher end expensive hardware to run, not to mention the tv/moniters are more expensive. I use a 1080p 60hz ips panel every day for my main pc. A solid 1080p rig would be $750-1000 where a solid 4k rig would be more like $1500-2250 Keeping in mind you do not need an overkill cpu for 4k since most systems are gpu limited at that resolution
 

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Well I what parts would you recommend? I like intel CPUs, but would switch to another brand if they are better, I also have always used GeForce cards for GPU, but idk if competition with them is high, or? Anyways, is there any comparability problems I need to watch out for?
 

WildCard999

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1920x1080P/60hz Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Gaming 8G Video Card ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1006.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 13:33 EST-0500



4K/60hz Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($304.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING AMP Video Card ($689.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1616.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 13:36 EST-0500



A Intel version just swap the CPU's to the i5-9600K or i7-9700K & a good Z390 motherboard, everything else can stay the same.

Of course you could spend more but it wouldn't perform much better then what is listed.
 

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Wildcards suggestion is a good option. I would suggest a nvme SSD for a boot drive for a little more. I disagree with a 9700k as it has 1/2 the threads of the 2700x. Go with an 8700k and older motherboard if you need intel. AMD offers much better performance to price over intel.
 

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The i7-9700K is consistently the fastest CPU out there for gaming aside from the 9900K (Performance Metrics Here) Intel still has the upper hand because most/all games don't effectively use more than about 6 threads. Because of that, Intel's frequency and IPC advantage over AMD is still better for gaming. Also, the i7-9700K has a soldered IHS to allow slightly higher clockspeeds than the 8700K using TIM. If you want the best of the best for gaming, no matter the cost, Intel is still the best choice.

I don't disagree that AMD offers more cores for less $$ than Intel, which can be an advantage for some users. But for gaming, Intel is still king (not that AMD Ryzen sucks for gaming). I also don't disagree that AMD has the price/perf advantage. The fact that you can get a Ryzen 2700X and a B450 mobo for $400 is hard to ignore considering an i7-9700K + Z390 combo would cost about $550.
 

NightHawkRMX

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I'm not saying that Intel isn't the best for gaming. Intel has gaming crown hands down. The I9 9900k is incredible.
However, saying that "The i7-9700K is consistently the fastest CPU out there" is a little misleading. It may be one of the fastest for most games of today, but for the newer and future games that require more threads, this chip may struggle. Also, the 9700k is nowhere near the top in terms of productivity tasks; any high-end Threadripper, Ryzen, Xeon, Epyc, 7980xe, or 9980xe will easily beat this processor in multithreaded workloads including but not limited to: Video rendering, file compression and decompression, multitasking, 3d rendering (with the acceleration of a gpu) etc. The advantage in multitasking performance will speed up daily tasks. Windows and other applications constantly compress and decompress files, making higher threaded processors faster and snappier navigating windows.
This all compiles in to one thing, The fact that for the first time an I7 doesn't support hyperthreading is simply crippling, making alternatives a better choice 9 times out of 10. Heck, even a single core Pentium 4 ht from 2004 supports hyperthreading. I get that the 9700k has 8 cores and hyperthreading on it may not help in some of today's tasks, but the 4 more threads of an 8700k or the 8 more threads of the 2700x will help the CPU in future games (since we are seeing a rise in games utilizing more than 8 threads) and make today's multitasking tasks snappier.
Youtuber Tech Deals has done testing in newer games that have shown that new games are utilizing all 12 threads of his 2600, proving that 8 threads are simply not the best for gaming.
To end on something mutual idea, I agree the soldered TIM is a good benefit of the 9900k, making higher overclocks achievable. Also, I think we can agree that a ryzen system would be the best and cheapest for what he needs.
 

tennis2

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HT does not = 2x the performance.

The OP is asking for a gaming build. If your daily tasks involve mission critical tasks (where every second counts) on highly multi-threaded software such as the ones you listed, then yes, more cores = better. However, for "general" operation, higher frequency = more responsive system. Most people's "daily" tasks outside of gaming are barely multi-threaded.

I agree, online/multiplayer gaming tends to be much more CPU sensitive than offline/singleplayer which most review sites use to benchmark because of testing consistency. I think CPU requirements for online gaming could use more attention from someone trustworthy (never heard of "tech deals", and opening up core scheduler during online gaming and seeing 100% usage on a 12 core CPU is not what I'm asking for)

Again, I'm not suggesting the significant price premium of Intel platforms should be ignored, just that their top offerings are the fastest still. I'm interested to see what AMD's 7nm Ryzen 3xxx CPUs perform like when they launch in a couple weeks. Rumor has it, clockspeeds will be up significantly.
 

NightHawkRMX

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Actually, he never mentions gaming. What will you do with the pc?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCss3QxegBkF8BAetIo0qXA Heres a link to tech deals. It's actually a good channel that livestreams a lot. I am excited for the new 3000 series processors. I heard 13% or more IPC increase. Anyhow intel and AMD are similar for day to day use, and for this build, I would still recommend AMD. Maybe he should wait for until up and coming GPU and CPUS are announced. I hope Intel has some nice CPUS to counter AMD at the show since competition = innovation.
 

Sooner535

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[PCPartPicker part list](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QypwnH) / [Price breakdown by merchant](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QypwnH/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jHZFf7/intel-core-i9-9900k-36ghz-8-core-processor-bx80684i99900k) | $534.90 @ OutletPC
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RcdFf7/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml240l-rgb-667-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-mlw-d24m-a20pc-r1) | $69.99 @ B&H
**Motherboard** | [Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3MJkcf/asus-prime-z370-a-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-z370-a) | $299.89 @ OutletPC
**Memory** | [Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gmWfrH/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-cmw16gx4m2d3000c16) | $139.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Western Digital - Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dGHRsY/western-digital-black-4tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd4005fzbx) | $177.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Video Card** | [MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YKbwrH/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition-8gb-gaming-x-trio-video-card-rtx-2080-gaming-x-trio) | $849.99 @ Newegg
**Case** | [Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHmxFT/fractal-design-focus-g-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-bk-w) | $67.31 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dMM323/evga-supernova-g3-750w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0750) | $99.89 @ OutletPC
**Optical Drive** | [Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas) | $21.89 @ OutletPC
**Operating System** | [Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140) | $98.89 @ OutletPC
**Case Fan** | [Cooler Master - SickleFlow (Red) 69.69 CFM 120mm Fan](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wL3RsY/cooler-master-case-fan-r4l2r20arr1) | $6.49 @ SuperBiiz
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2397.22
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| **Total** | **$2367.22**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2019-01-01 19:04 EST-0500 |
 

Sooner535

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That’s how you share a parts list -.- good grief, yes I’m gaming on it >.< sorry I didn’t mention that. Anyways how is that list of parts? Or should I go different (the one suggested) or what?
 

WildCard999

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I changed the motherboard since Z370 boards need to have the BIOS updated before they'll work with the 9 series CPU's. Also added in a SSD (you'll thank me later) and changed the fan (red for a black/white build?!?!).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($534.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.31 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 120 PWM 87 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2324.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 19:09 EST-0500


It's a very expensive build and will handle 4K so hopefully that's what you'll use it for as it would be a waste at 1080P. Just a heads up the 4K build I posted above would game just as well for significantly cheaper, something to think about.
 

Sooner535

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Quick question about my build that I didn't think of until now:

How am I going to use my headset on it? Will I need a DAC or Audio card at all? Will the motherboard picked be acceptable in audio output? Also will I need a internet adapter card thing? Or is the motherboard good?
 

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