[SOLVED] Building a PC, reeducated myself and i got questions

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Hello everyone, it has come to the time when my old PC is dying and i need to get another editing/gaming PC. This time i decided to go with a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X. I know the standard is 3200 and that the processor works best with 4 sticks. While choosing a Ryzen 5000 supported motherboard i noticed it supports 3200 and i think 3600 and then a lot more with OC tags. I really wish i could use 3600 or more clockspeed memory but i am worried it wont work with the processor.

Should i go with the 3200 CPU standard or should i can go with faster memory based on the motherboard specs?

If the motherboard says 3200, then 3600 OC etc etc, it means it supports 3200 and i should overcloaked it? Or can i get a 3600 stick?

Also i was between these 2 motherboards:

MSI MEG B550 UNIFY-X AM4

ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR AM4
 

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JayzTwoCents did an interesting video on memory speeds, capacity, etc. and their impacts in different applications.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWLYAGaWQ0


If primary is more on the editing, you'll want 32 GB+ but if main purpose is gaming than 16 GB, is still a good spot.

I would go with 3600 for the 5900X, as that seems to be the sweet spot for those CPU's.

I would go with ASUS board over the MSI board if those are your choices / options.
 

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Hello everyone, it has come to the time when my old PC is dying and i need to get another editing/gaming PC. This time i decided to go with a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X. I know the standard is 3200 and that the processor works best with 4 sticks. While choosing a Ryzen 5000 supported motherboard i noticed it supports 3200 and i think 3600 and then a lot more with OC tags. I really wish i could use 3600 or more clockspeed memory but i am worried it wont work with the processor.

Should i go with the 3200 CPU standard or should i can go with faster memory based on the motherboard specs?

If the motherboard says 3200, then 3600 OC etc etc, it means it supports 3200 and i should overcloaked it? Or can i get a 3600 stick?

Also i was between these 2 motherboards:

MSI MEG B550 UNIFY-X AM4

ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR AM4
"The processor works best with 4 sticks" is NOT a global statement. The CPU is a dual channel memory controller CPU. With very specific choices of RAM it can work better with 4 but in most cases 2 DIMMs are optimum.
 

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"The processor works best with 4 sticks" is NOT a global statement. The CPU is a dual channel memory controller CPU. With very specific choices of RAM it can work better with 4 but in most cases 2 DIMMs are optimum.
Thanks for the correction, ill go with 4 anyways but i got your point. What about my main worries?
 

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Then you need to purchase a set of 4 matched DIMMs. Don't purchase two sets of two DIMMs. A matched set of 4 is guaranteed to work as a set by the manufacturer. Anything else is a gamble.
Dont worry I am not that noob, but thanks again.

If anyone knows the answer or can educate me further more on the main question. It will help a lot.
 

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The Ryzen 5000 series chips are officially supported to 3200 by AMD. Any higher and their is a chance it might not work especially as you go up the Mhz scale. Honestly, almost all, if not all 5000 chips should handle 3600 easily. It's the users trying for 4000+ that may run into road blocks. That said, getting 4 sticks to run at 3600 can be more challenging than 2 sticks but if all 4 sticks are bought as a kit you'll probably be OK.
 
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The Ryzen 5000 series chips are officially supported to 3200 by AMD. Any higher and their is a chance it might not work especially as you go up the Mhz scale. Honestly, almost all, if not all 5000 chips should handle 3600 easily. It's the users trying for 4000+ that may run into road blocks. That said, getting 4 sticks to run at 3600 can be more challenging than 2 sticks but if all 4 sticks are bought as a kit you'll probably be OK.
Great answer, so probably i am better with 2 sticks.

If i get a 4 sticks set of 3600 and IF it has a problem, it will just operate between 3200 - 3600 or will it cause other issues?
Also why there are so many higher frequency memories, for thread rippers cpus or what kind of processor uses them?
 
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tecmo34

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JayzTwoCents did an interesting video on memory speeds, capacity, etc. and their impacts in different applications.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWLYAGaWQ0


If primary is more on the editing, you'll want 32 GB+ but if main purpose is gaming than 16 GB, is still a good spot.

I would go with 3600 for the 5900X, as that seems to be the sweet spot for those CPU's.

I would go with ASUS board over the MSI board if those are your choices / options.
 
Great answer, so probably i am better with 2 sticks.

If i get a 4 sticks set of 3600 and IF it has a problem, it will just operate between 3200 - 3600 or will it cause other issues?
Also why there are so many higher frequency memories, for thread rippers cpus or what kind of processor uses them?
The memory should be able to perform as high as the system can support. Once you find the stable values, there should be no issues. For example, if the CPU natively struggles with DDR4-3600, it should be more stable at DDR4-3400 or 3200. To force stability at a higher frequency, you can check CPU SoC Voltage at the stable DRAM Frequency, then manually set it higher to see if you can stabilize the higher frequency such as DDR4-3600.

Current limits for any AMD CPU is DDR4-4000, so anything higher is for Intel.

Here is the G.Skill QVL for the MSI motherboard:

https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&manufacturer=1524715120&chipset=1603934649&model=1603937764

All of the memory kits listed have been validated to run at full speed with a capable CPU.
 
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JayzTwoCents did an interesting video on memory speeds, capacity, etc. and their impacts in different applications.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWLYAGaWQ0


If primary is more on the editing, you'll want 32 GB+ but if main purpose is gaming than 16 GB, is still a good spot.

I would go with 3600 for the 5900X, as that seems to be the sweet spot for those CPU's.

I would go with ASUS board over the MSI board if those are your choices / options.
I will check the video for sure.. Thanks! In your opinion I was going for 64gb since premiere is very ram demanding... So, 3200 or 3600 and 2 sticks or 4 sticks? I can go a little over my bidget and get the https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero/p/N82E16813119362?Item=N82E16813119362

What do you think?
 

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The memory should be able to perform as high as the system can support. Once you find the stable values, there should be no issues. For example, if the CPU natively struggles with DDR4-3600, it should be more stable at DDR4-3400 or 3200. To force stability at a higher frequency, you can check CPU SoC Voltage at the stable DRAM Frequency, then manually set it higher to see if you can stabilize the higher frequency such as DDR4-3600.

Current limits for any AMD CPU is DDR4-4000, so anything higher is for Intel.

Here is the G.Skill QVL for the MSI motherboard:

https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&manufacturer=1524715120&chipset=1603934649&model=1603937764

All of the memory kits listed have been validated to run at full speed with a capable CPU.
I am checking the page. Help me put here. I selected the asus chipset + ryzen 5000 + model. then i mark speed and if it appears I can safely use it?
 

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I will check the video for sure.. Thanks! In your opinion I was going for 64gb since premiere is very ram demanding... So, 3200 or 3600 and 2 sticks or 4 sticks? I can go a little over my bidget and get the https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero/p/N82E16813119362?Item=N82E16813119362

What do you think?
1... Very nice motherboard, so can go wrong with it. If you can stretch the budget, why not get something you like. I'm assuming you are pairing this setup with a RTX 3080 or above (if not now at some point)?

2... I would run 4 x 16 GB setup at DDR4 3600. I don't know if you'll need over 64GB but if you are concerned, you could do 2 x 32 GB and have room to add another two sticks for 128 GB down the road. The option is yours on what you future plans may be. I'm running 2 x 16 GB at DDR4 3600 for gaming only.
 
I am checking the page. Help me put here. I selected the asus chipset + ryzen 5000 + model. then i mark speed and if it appears I can safely use it?
That is correct. All of the models listed have been certified to run at the rated frequency, timings, and Voltage (XMP/DOCP). Ie. With a capable CPU, enabling DOCP under AI Overclock Tuner will allow the system to run at full speed; all memory settings are automatically configured by the motherboard.
 

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