building a sub $600 gaming rig

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I need some advice on building my first pc. I have searched the forums and the web but their answers always include the monitor, OS, keyboard, and mouse but I have $600 set aside for just the rig.

with that being said I want to be able to play a myriad of games ranging from BF4, Skyrim, and BioShock all the way down to $1 steam and humble bundle titles. My thoughts so far have me with the amd fx-6300 CPU, the Asus HD 7790 2gb, about 4gb of ddr3 1600 ram, a 650w crossfire enabled PSU, and a gigabyte ga-990fxa mobo.

am I on the right track with getting the best bang for my buck? keep in mind I want to go crossfire around July and I am all for over clocking if the tutorials exist.
 
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Like I said, I must be really bored today ...but...
I picked the fx6300 bc of its ability to overclock. would you still go with one of your selections knowing this is my intent. Also, if I understand you correctly dropping down to a 500w gold rated PSU would be better than a 650w bronze.

also, what is the consensus on ssd? I know it's nice to have but should I increase my budget to add one as they are difficult to install one the build is complete?
 

An SSD is the one thing that will add noticeably more to how fast your build "feels" to you in use than almost any other. It will boot faster. It will start apps faster.

You can add a 120GB for as little as $70-80. Do it.

IMHO opinion, an SSD ranks just slightly below a decent GPU in order of importance.

The 990FXA supports SATA 3. If you do swing for an SSD, make sure it's SATA3.

...at which point, since your budget is limited, just keep your eyes open for a really inexpensive 250-320GB HDD. I've seen those on special at Newegg for under $30 at times. Use the HDD as your data drive, and for large apps that you care less about how fast they run.

By coupling an inexpensive HDD to an SSD boot/system drive, you will have hit a sweet spot in speed and capacity, in a performance parameter that IMO will matter more to your perception of how "fast" your system is, than a lot of others that are usually given greater priority in choosing components, when you're on a tight budget.

You can always add additional storage capacity when you need to, and your budget allows.

...and yeah, adding an SSD later, while an option and do-able, can be a bit of a PITA.
 


Or an FX-4130 perhaps? AM3+ and overclock-able.

...and on sale for $80 (w/promo code today and tomorrow; Jan 7/8) at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113291

Or only $10 more (also promo, but lasts a few days longer, to the 13th), an FX-4300 Vishera current gen' quad core? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113287

And he can pick up a Thermaltake 700W PSU (non 80+ ...but still, for the price) for $40 (after $20 rebate today): http://tinyurl.com/qajbgdl (shorter length URL that goes straight to Newegg). There's some other "good deals" on PSU's there today, including 80+ rated ones.




 


If it's feasible dropping down to 500w gold rated could do you better, as gold rateds are more likely to actually provide the power they say they will for a longer lifetime.
 
 
so I think that I'm going to stick with the 6300 just bc I am hoping more support comes to crossfire. I do appreciate the input on the PSU and the SSD though. my eyes are peeled for gold rated 500-600w and at least a 120gb SSD. I have a 1tb portable HD so I might just skip the new HDD and pull a small one out of an old pc or craigslist one.

last question is about ram. 4gb or 8gb? a lot of articles say 4gb is fine but I am learning to program and mod games and the extra could be helpful when compiling large files.
 


DEFINITELY get a 2x4GB=8GB kit ...the GA990FXA supports dual channel (on both channels), and your memory subsystem will be faster with the Vishera you've decided upon. You don't need to worry so much about the speed or latency of the kit; those just don't matter all that much performance wise (and especially when you're watching your pennies).

Just look for a good price for PC1333 or PC1600 (those are kind of the sweet spot for "good deals"), and CAS levels 9, 10, or 11.

(The GA990FXA supports PC1866, and I've seen a couple of sales on that the past few days though; let price be your guide here.)

You'll put those DIMMs in the second and fourth DIMM slots from the CPU (i.e., DDR3-1 and DDR3-3 as marked on the mainboard).

...btw, I just put together a budget build during the past few weeks based around the GA990FXA (it's great bang-for-the-buck). I went with FX8320, and PC1600 RAM (plus Radeon 7850, 630W 80+, SSD, yada-yada), and that's kind of why I've been chiming in here so often. My budget was only a couple of hundred more than yours, but my reasoning was pretty much along your lines ...I'm a non-gamer, and I was also following the advice from the crew. Just sayin'.

 
super helpful community here. I crossed the forums for a couple of weeks before making a post. I could only find sub $600 builds from a couple years ago and if you guys aren't aware, these computer gizmos seem to keep changing lol. so I think I'm decided on the build. any online shops I should frequent outside of new egg and amazon?
 


First, just know what you want. "Learn" what you can, all you can, about what you want.

Second, a refurb might be a pretty budget friendly worthy consideration (I paid $30 for a refurb' Logitech G600 MMO mouse ...it looks new to me lol). Anything and everything is only "new" until you open the box.

Next, keep to your budget, but don't be entirely rigid: sometimes a few extra bucks, can net you a much higher performance item (for $40 more, I could have bought a Radeon 7870 instead of the 7850 ...that's probably the only thing I'm still kicking myself over lol). Be a little flexible. Eat Top Ramen for a few extra days. Don't over-do-it, but don't short yourself, either. Let a "penny wise and pound foolish" be co-equal with "a penny saved is a penny earned" (and, a "penny" would buy two loaves of bread when they coined that phrase, so do the exchange math lol).

Keep in mind, when comparing online pricing, whether you have to pay additional local taxes, and shipping. That $10 is *your* $10, and you are as worthy of deciding what to do with your money as some government or corporate entity. Sometimes the better deal only looks like it costs a little more; the devil's in the details.

Pay attention to promo's, to sales, to rebates, and to "special offers" (like masterpass and such: I saved almost $100 in promotions that way, over the holidays, through being careful, and juggling different sites/sellers).

On rebates: Pay attention to the "fine print" in rebate offers. Don't get burned. Send in your box's UPS code, and the signed rebate, ON TIME!!! (mark those dates down) ...or "you lose". Pay the $1-$2 for "quick payment" (yeah, it's aggravating, but it puts *your* rebate at the front of the line, and it's only a couple of bucks ...and it can mean getting paid back in a week, versus 8-12 weeks). The rebate itself will typically be a credit card for the amount, so figure that amount into your budget for what you still need to buy. (In other words, don't treat it as "mad money", especially if your budget is tight.)

As for where to buy ....

I got a better deal through TigerDirect for an FX8320 than Newegg offered.

And I got a screaming deal at Rakuten (the old buy.com, I think) on a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD. (Even though I had to pay sales tax.)

...so don't limit yourself to the 'egg and Amazon.

And I only paid $50 delivered for the CM Storm Quickfire XT full keyboard w/cherry green switches that I've been lusting over for way long before I decided on even doing a build. At Amazon (which didn't get a lot of my business this build). So don't NOT look at the usual suspects, either.

...better deals come through assiduous shopping, and patience. It ***really*** helps to be so conversant with the usual street value of something that when you see a "good deal", you're confident that it IS a good deal, so you don't hesitate. You have to pore over prices for awhile to get those kinds of mad shopping skillz though, lol.

This probably won't matter in your situation, but I try and "time" my major purchases so they occur in late November lol ...Black Friday/Cyber Monday is the careful [and not quite as careful] shopper's best friend.

EDIT: Oh. Add your local Craigslist to your "places" list. You never know. You might get lucky: the horse may learn to talk (http://andrewbwatt.com/2009/02/16/the-horse-may-learn-to-talk/: it's funny).
 


...just in case you're still watching your thread.

Newegg has the Kingston V300 SSD on sale today for $70. That is a bona fide good deal.

...I used one to upgrade my wife's X200 over the holidays. My brother has one as the main boot drive in his new build. They're decent drives.

UPDATE: Sold out. Between the time I last checked, and posted the reply, they were gone. Sorry.
 
lol grabbed that same Kingston on amazon with free shipping last night. $69.99!

what's the consensus on ebay for used parts? just watch for the seller ratings and description like anything else or are used parts a no no?
 


Great!

Score!

You'll like the drive, and that price is certainly "good deal" territory.

...I have a monster red star rating on eBay as a buyer lol. But it's an old rating: I haven't really done business on eBay in a few years now. My brother still buys stuff on the 'bay though. (As for me: when Craigslist came along, I found better deals through that resource, and slowly moved away from eBay. Plus, I could have the thing in my hand before any money changed hands. Less risk.)

Look for recent positive reviews. The more there are, the more likely the seller isn't a flake. And "recent" is the key ...I've seen sellers with great reputations go bad.

"Stuff happens" (it's happened to me), and people and businesses can and do change ...but when problems arose, I was always patient, and understanding, and always very polite (and also firm, if and as needed) with the seller, and tried to work problems out with them (I'm a firm believer in the old adage that "you catch more flies with honey" lol: works for me). Out of a couple of thousand plus transactions, I only got totally ripped off two or three times (I have lots of stories, though, especially from the early days ...and when I started using eBay, Pierre and his fiancé were still working out of a garage - eBay was only a few months old - and there were only about 100,000 bidder accounts AFAIR).

That said, when it comes to eBay stuff, it's always been a crap shoot. You really, really have to know what you're doing, and you have to be willing to accept the risk. But more often (much! more often) than not, you can score.

Be careful about things like a mainboard (or other sensitive electronic items, like DIMMs), if you're buying used. You may be buying someone's problem. You can be less cautious about, say, a case. After all, there's not a lot that can go functionally wrong with a case (other than cosmetic stuff).

...I used to find killer deals that other bidders had ignored, by being creative about searching for stuff using common misspellings.

My personal experience was that eBay was at its most useful (and safe) for locating "stuff" that was discontinued, or older, and no longer available through the regular retail market. It's an awesome source for old stuff; I used to observe that no matter what you're looking for, sooner or later it will show up on eBay.

Don't ever, ever expect to be able to return anything though. (Especially with shipping prices like they are these days.)

If you can live with the downside, and if the deal is Just.That.Irresistible, you can save.
 


Here's your memory v-a:

Patriot Viper Xtreme 8GB Desktop Module
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=8033819&sku=P33-9993&SRCCODE=WEM3969C&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3969-_-tigeremail3969&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3969&cm_lm=brdavis9@gmail.com

A 2x4GB=8GB PC1600 CAS10 enthusiast kit [nice looking heat spreader] for $50 (w/coupon + after rebate). Lifetime limited memory (you want that, actually: memory can go bad over time).

Yeah, you can find cheaper, but not by much, and not very often. It's a perfect compliment to the GA990FXA 'board, and will use the dual channel memory pipe.
 


I must be bored today lol.

Here's a decent mid-size tower case with nice features, for few bucks:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=5401115&sku=U12-42378&SRCCODE=WEM3969C&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3969-_-tigeremail3969&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3969&cm_lm=brdavis9@gmail.com

There's a link to the manual on the page. The 2½ inch external drive bays are a nice touch. Doesn't look half bad (well "IMHO") either. YMMV as to the aesthetics, but the price is hard to argue with.

$30 (w/coupon, after rebate).
 


Like I said, I must be really bored today ...but I got to wondering, so I put it all together. :)

How about $500 (including promo codes, and "after rebates", which means your upfront money is going to be a bit more) for a decent AMD budget build gaming box? Today?

...and which still leaves you $100 to play around with, if your component mix differs from mine.

FX-4300 Vishera 3.8GHz. 120GB SSD. GA990FXA-UD3. Radeon HD7770. 8GB PC1600 CAS10. 700W. Mid-tower.

Here you go. Again, $500.

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$500 Budget Build
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COMPONENTS SUBTOTAL: $500 ...does not included s/h or local taxes

GPU: ($70) - Gigabyte Radeon HD7770 Rev2.0 1GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0(x16)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=4926354&sku=G452-7772&SRCCODE=WEM3969C&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3969-_-tigeremail3969&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3969&cm_lm=brdavis9@gmail.com

MB: ($140) - Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ 990FX SATA3 USB3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514

CPU: ($90) - AMD FX-4300 Vishera 3.8GHz AM3+ 95W Quad-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113287

CASE: ($40) - Ultra Etorque X4 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5401116&csid=_23

PSU: ($40) - Thermaltake 700W ATX SLI/CrossFire
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153167&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL010714&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL010714-_-EMC-010714-Index-_-PowerSupplies-_-17153167-L0E

RAM: ($50) - Patriot Viper Xtreme DDR3 2x4GB=8GB 1600MHz PC3-12800 CL 10
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=8033819&sku=P33-9993&SRCCODE=WEM3969C&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3969-_-tigeremail3969&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3969&cm_lm=brdavis9@gmail.com

SSD: ($70) - Kingston V300 120GB SSD 2½" SATA III
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=7455477&sku=K24-0301&SRCCODE=WEM3969C&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3969-_-tigeremail3969&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3969&cm_lm=brdavis9@gmail.com


EDIT: Or you could buy two of the HD7770's to Crossfire them right from the get-go. Sweet, eh? - Thinking about it, that's probably how I'd go, with a $600 budget, today.

Here's a link to performance of a 2xHD7770 crossfire: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/371117-33-will-radeon-7770-crossfire-perform-single-660ti
 
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dang! I appreciate the mock build. I think I'm going to grab that case and potentially the PSU. my budget is around $100-$200 monthly so I'm hoping to still catch a deal on the mobo or GPU. I'm scouring craigslist and local big box stores for open box deals. I already ordered the sad for $70 so I have a little play left this month.
 
best buy near my house has a "XFX - Ultra OC Radeon 7850 1GB DDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card" for 107.99 on open box clearance. maintains warranty and is still eligible for black tie. I'm going to pick it up as I have a 45 day return period if find something better!
 


I got to wondering myself how much a decent gaming machine could be built for yesterday, so it was fun on my part. (I don't have a life, lol.)

I was surprised at how powerful a machine even such little money could purchase. I mean, $500 for an overclockable gaming box, with that level of gaming performance and "upgrade-ability"? I would bet in the "dollar spent for value received" equation, that would have been a better "value received vs. money spent" than a lot of way more expensive boxes.

Plus, the core components just beg for later upgrades, as funds permit.

It seems apparent to me, after my little exercise yesterday, that $600 is a perfectly reasonable (and maybe "generous", all other things being equal: I mean, weren't we just a tad shy of being 17% "under budget" there lol) base-line budget for a decently performing gaming box.

How very interesting.

...especially as my wife has been asking about building her own PC, since I helped her do a complete SSD and OS upgrade install at Christmas. She'd never done anything like that before, so she was pretty proud when she was finished, and especially given how much faster her laptop was.

(It is a very, very good idea to get your SO involved with your hobbies, so that HW/SW upgrade exercise was my resoundingly successful "stealth" attempt to whet her curiosity.)
 


That is a good deal. The HD7850 is good bang for the buck, and that price is a win. Congrats!

...plus, I like XFX cards. For one thing, their choice of ports supports an additional display - for a multi-display set up - over most of the similar cards out there. That particular card probably supports up to six displays.

I make a living at this, and having a lot of displays makes dealing with support issues much, much easier.
 
Brandon I picked your solution but I think the real lesson to anyone trying to build a pc is DO YOUR RESEARCH! so far it had paid me immensely to ask for help and to read. if your building your own pc chances are that you aren't doing it in one day so I think patience is key. now I am just on the hunt for deals and waiting for right time to pounce on the final purchases (so far I have ssd, HDD, PSU, and gpu all for around 225)
 


Thanks for the shout out ...I didn't even realize there was a "solution" thingie lol. Whoo-hoo!

Yeah, at only $225 and already with those parts behind you, you're not only a good way toward your goal, while keeping within your budget, but at achieving your prize of a very capable, gaming-level box (with more performance, and at greater "value per cost", than people with budgets way more than yours). Kudos.

You're absolutely correct, about recognizing that do your research is the real lesson. And for understanding that patience is key ...a learning process should be approached with at least a nod toward the old saw about "it's not always about the destination, it's about the journey".

Good luck with it, and keep us posted on how your search for parts, and especially your build, goes v-a.

(My wife and I were talking about this earlier today, and she's definitely going to join the hobby; she'll be working very much within the same parameters as yours. So, win-win lol.)

Cheers!