[SOLVED] Buy new i9-9900 (non K) for 220 USD or save and wait for 10900k or 10700k

[edo101]

So I can buy a 9900 non K for 220 bucks. I actually would prefer AMD but I need strong single core performance for 3D vision games. What should I do?

My current build is a 11 year old i7 930 with a 1080 Ti

 

[vov4ik_il]

I would (probably will as well) get i9 9900 and Z390 mobo that supports MCE so it can run boosted. It does require a good cooler so add another 100$ 280mm AIO into the budget numbers.

 

[punkncat]

So I can buy a 9900 non K for 220 bucks.

All other conversation aside, I hope you picked that. Exceptional price on a part like that.

 

[RodroX]

For that price, going from a Core i7 i7 930 for a Core i9 9900 there should be nothing to think about it or doubt about it. But yeah you will have to spend on a motherboard which is a dead platform after all.

Your Core i7 has half the physical cores (4 vs 8) of the Core i9 9900K and half the Threads (8vs16), but not only that we are talking about a huge amount of years of internal architecture development, DDR 4 memory support.

If you have doubts then pick the Core i5 10600K, a decent Z490 budget mobo and 2x8GB of DDR3 3200 RAM. Theers no much point spending a lot of money on a Core i7 or Core i9 when all you need in single core performance. The Core i5 10600K will get you there and beyong.

Also the 10600K has 6 cores and 12 threads, 50% more than your current i7.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbHyF50m-rs

 

[edo101]

I would (probably will as well) get i9 9900 and Z390 mobo that supports MCE so it can run boosted. It does require a good cooler so add another 100$ 280mm AIO into the budget numbers.

All other conversation aside, I hope you picked that. Exceptional price on a part like that.

For that price, going from a Core i7 i7 930 for a Core i9 9900 there should be nothing to think about it or doubt about it. But yeah you will have to spend on a motherboard which is a dead platform after all.

Your Core i7 has half the physical cores (4 vs 8) of the Core i9 9900K and half the Threads (8vs16), but not only that we are talking about a huge amount of years of internal architecture development, DDR 4 memory support.

If you have doubts then pick the Core i5 10600K, a decent Z490 budget mobo and 2x8GB of DDR3 3200 RAM. Theers no much point spending a lot of money on a Core i7 or Core i9 when all you need in single core performance. The Core i5 10600K will get you there and beyong.

Also the 10600K has 6 cores and 12 threads, 50% more than your current i7.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbHyF50m-rs

WEll the guys here talking me out of it:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-i...-non-k-220-usd-save-wait-10900k-10700k-3.html

They said it would't be a good buy because it can only go up to 4.6Ghz. In fact theys suggested I get a 3700x or spend more for a 10700k or get the 10600k. I felt highly not inclined to get a 10600k. Its not for any technical reasons per se. Its just the fact that after sitting on 4 cores for 10 years now, it feel wrong to just add 2 more cores for an upgrade.

I guess I need to convince myself otherwise and get a 6 core. This upgrade is more of meant to be a short upgrade as I would want to do a proper upgrade in like 2 years.

It got the point where I was like, well I guess I should return/cancel the order and wait for Zen 3 since the 9900 is apparently such a bad buy. @vov4ik_il @punkncat @RodroX

They showed me these charts too btw:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900/3485vs3487
https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-ga...e-i9-9900k-3-60ghz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti

 

[vov4ik_il]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900/3485vs3487

This and many other comparisons involve the retail i9-9900 price. It is irrelevant to your specific case. You get an 8 core CPU for a very low price, plus the rest of the system for it is cheap now compared to the latest gen rivals.

 

[edo101]

This and many other comparisons involve the retail i9-9900 price. It is irrelevant to your specific case. You get an 8 core CPU for a very low price, plus the rest of the system for it is cheap now compared to the latest gen rivals.

Even Zen 2? I guess prudent thing to do is to hold on to the i9 9900 without building it. Just keep it brand new unopened and wait till Zen 3 to see what happens?

 

[vov4ik_il]

Even Zen 2? I guess prudent thing to do is to hold on to the i9 9900 without building it. Just keep it brand new unopened and wait till Zen 3 to see what happens?

If the goal is a system for yourself, i9 9900 is a decent build that will last for a few years, instead, get a good GPU on what you save from going another route. Every day you are holding off, you also hold off from enjoying the new stuff too, I would factor that in. Now, no matter what would you upgrade to in a few years, whatever you buy today will most likely be obsolete by then.
I doubt you can beat this with Zen3 or 10th gen Intel:
CPU: Intel Core i9-9900 3.1 GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $220.00)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($150.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z390 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($146.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $584.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-03 22:29 EDT-0400

 

[edo101]

If the goal is a system for yourself, i9 9900 is a decent build that will last for a few years, instead, get a good GPU on what you save from going another route. Every day you are holding off, you also hold off from enjoying the new stuff too, I would factor that in. Now, no matter what would you upgrade to in a few years, whatever you buy today will most likely be obsolete by then.
I doubt you can beat this with Zen3 or 10th gen Intel:
CPU: Intel Core i9-9900 3.1 GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $220.00)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($150.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Z390 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($146.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $584.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-03 22:29 EDT-0400

OK I am saving this. Thank you. Yeah I know what you mean. Hell I stuck with this 930 for so long. It's just these guys at OCN telling me its a bad idea. That mobo, it will let me boost indefinintely? None of this will be worth it if I cannot do 4.6Ghz all cores all the time if I want.

Also those guys on OCN think i should get Zen 2 mobo so that if Zen 3 turns out to be beastly I could just dump in a 4K series. But yeah man, I am tryna save money and get the best bang for my buck. Might need a better PC case too since my midtower is from 2015 and doesn't have the best airflow.

Btw I normally use air coolers... Don't those liquid cooler do a worse job/dont you need to replace their liquid cooler? @vov4ik_il

 

[vov4ik_il]

Btw I normally use air coolers... Don't those liquid cooler do a worse job/dont you need to replace their liquid cooler? @vov4ik_il

It would be boosted as long as the thermals are good, hence the liquid cooler. I personally use Corsair AIO due to a very good deal I got on it, but given everything else is equal, the one I linked is a very good choice. A motherboard that supports MCE properly will keep it at boost clocks...

 

[edo101]

It would be boosted as long as the thermals are good, hence the liquid cooler. I personally use Corsair AIO due to a very good deal I got on it, but given everything else is equal, the one I linked is a very good choice. A motherboard that supports MCE properly will keep it at boost clocks...

I appreciate you man @vov4ik_il . I will save this liek I said and see how long I can wait with the 9900 before building it. So you don't need to change out the liquid cooler? How long do these AIOs last anyways?

 

[vov4ik_il]

I appreciate you man @vov4ik_il So you don't need to change out the liquid cooler? How long do these AIOs last anyways?

I have this one for 3 years or so... It is not broken yet.
You can start with air cooler and see how that goes, but I believe the CPU will throttle under load.

 

[WildCard999]

AIO's can vary in time but usually 3-5 years before the pump dies. I had a H80i that went into a friends system that's still going strong after about 6 years.

 

[edo101]

I have this one for 3 years or so... It is not broken yet.
You can start with air cooler and see how that goes, but I believe the CPU will throttle under load.

AIO's can vary in time but usually 3-5 years before the pump dies. I had a H80i that went into a friends system that's still going strong after about 6 years.

If it lasts 3 to 5 years, does that mean the cooling performance is just as good in year 3 as it is in day ?
It would seem you think that AIO performs bettter than air cooling? @vov4ik_il @WildCard999

 

[vov4ik_il]

If it lasts 3 to 5 years, does that mean the cooling performance is just as good in year 3 as it is in day ?

Yes, until it breaks, given it is kept clean.

It would seem you think that AIO performs bettter than air cooling?

By being quiet and exhausting the heat overboard rather than cycling inside the case.

 

[WildCard999]

AIO's seem to last longer but they don't, higher end air is better for the long run.

 

[edo101]

AIO's seem to last longer but they don't, higher end air is better for the long run.

Thats what I was thinking from what they say. I've had a silver arrow air cooler since 2014 and haven't had a worry or seen a drop in performance.

What are some comparable air coolers for the price of AIO? @WildCard999

 

[WildCard999]

Thats what I was thinking from what they say. I've had a silver arrow air cooler since 2014 and haven't had a worry or seen a drop in performance.

What are some comparable air coolers for the price of AIO? @WildCard999

Which case?

Noctua or Be Quiet is pretty good in the $70-80 range but it depends on clearance.

 

[edo101]

Which case?

Noctua or Be Quiet is pretty good in the $70-80 range but it depends on clearance.

https://www.newegg.com/black-enermax-ivektor-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811124159?Item=N82E16811124159

It's stuffy in there lol. Its an older case for sure @WildCard999

As for the two coolers you mentioned, do they perform just as well as the AIO?

 

[edo101]

I should note in that case, I have all full HDD slots full and 2 SSDs. So not helping my airflow much

 

[WildCard999]

I can't seem to find a CPU clearance for that case so you may just need to measure it.