[SOLVED] Buying a new PC tomorrow. Which one?

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Gaara Kazekage

Gaara Kazekage

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Hey all. Getting a new PC tomorrow and am looking at two options. Yeah, computers are expensive in NZ, but we are used to it. Also need to buy from these guys to get the 18months interest free finance. Here are the two I am looking at. Thanks in advance for any advice :)

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/WKSGGPC50019/GGPC-NZXT-RTX-2070-Gaming-PC-Intel-Core-i5-9400F-6

vs

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/WKSGGPC50060/GGPC-Phanteks-RX-5700-Gaming-PC-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-6

This one here is about the max I can spend as well.

In the end I didn't get either of these. Look down to see what I did get.
 
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If I only look at what you've put together, I'd go with #1...

Thoughts on the cheaper build:
1)Unless you can get an associate at the online shop to update that H370's bios for you, it won't work out of the box with 9th gen Intel cpus. The older bios on that motherboard isn't compatible, is all.
B365 and Z390 work out of the box with 9th gen.

2)Avoid the reference model RX 5700/XT entirely. AMD cheaped out on the cooler, and they run hotter than necessary. Better option: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGASAP15701/Sapphire-Radeon-PULSE-RX-5700-8GB-GDDR6-Graphics-C



As for the pricier build:
1)Same deal with the H370 mobo you were considering on the other build. If an associate can't update the bios, then the options are:
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Oh dear...
Neither is very good, but I believe the cheaper one is actually going to work out better for you. My reasons are below...

Cheaper build cons:
1)Power supply: Prebuilt manufacturers always cut corners here when they shouldn't. It'll be ok with the included package, but if you want to upgrade anything later, this is the first thing you should change. Never cheap out on power supplies.
2)The 9400F only has 6 cores, and while this normally isn't an issue, this cpu's performance will choke when all 6 cores are fully saturated.
3)480GB isn't much to work with for the only storage drive.

More expensive build cons:
1)Power supply: [Already covered]
2)They advertise 'fast gaming ram', but 2666mhz isn't fast enough for Ryzen. 3200-3600 is preferred, 3000mhz for the budget constrained.
That's some 15-25% performance already missing.
3)Storage, again.
4 & 5)The combination of the RX 5700 reference model + Phanteks P300. The poor cooler design of the reference RX 5700 WILL throttle in the airflow restricted Phanteks P300.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SAWtKEIYbw
[Ignore the drivers part, this video is almost 3 months old]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQjTYbqG1CI


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqsaiYAjggk
[Yes, it's for the Phanteks P400, but the design is basically the same, and Phanteks didn't improve on the faults with the P300!]
 
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I just noticed that if I pick my own parts I can still pay with finance. What do you think about this build?
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Or a little cheaper going with the 9400f and a 5700XT but also including a 2TB HDD.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/build/11501
 
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If I only look at what you've put together, I'd go with #1...

Thoughts on the cheaper build:
1)Unless you can get an associate at the online shop to update that H370's bios for you, it won't work out of the box with 9th gen Intel cpus. The older bios on that motherboard isn't compatible, is all.
B365 and Z390 work out of the box with 9th gen.

2)Avoid the reference model RX 5700/XT entirely. AMD cheaped out on the cooler, and they run hotter than necessary. Better option: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGASAP15701/Sapphire-Radeon-PULSE-RX-5700-8GB-GDDR6-Graphics-C



As for the pricier build:
1)Same deal with the H370 mobo you were considering on the other build. If an associate can't update the bios, then the options are:
-Any of Msi's B450 MAX motherboards
-If B450 MAX aren't available, then a motherboard that specifically CARRIES A BIOS FLASHBACK FEATURE. This allows you to update the bios without requiring an older cpu to be installed. Just need a spare flash drive.

If you can accommodate those fixes... build #1 still wins.
 
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Gaara Kazekage said:
If they wont update it I guess I can spend a little more and get this?
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBDGBM35712/Gigabyte-X570-UD-ATX-For-AMD-Ryzen-2nd3rd-Gen-CPUA
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Try this one instead: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBDMSI4523179/MSI-B450M-MORTAR-MAX-mATX-Motherboard-For-AMD-Ryze
Compatible with Ryzen 3000 out of the box.
I see they also have the Tomahawk Max listed, but it's out of stock: https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBDMSI4523177/MSI-B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX-ATX-Motherboard-For-AMD-Ryze

If you can't get your hands on either, then look towards that X570 mobo.
 
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For some reason it doesn't have that option in their PC builder thing. Will have to ask if I can swap it in anyway when I go to the store in another hour.

If not I see no reason that they wouldn't upgrade the bios for me in the other one.

Edit: Just noticed the MORTAR MAX is out of stock in stores and will take a month to get from supplier.
 
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Gaara Kazekage said:
For some reason it doesn't have that option in their PC builder thing. Will have to ask if I can swap it in anyway when I go to the store in another hour.

If not I see no reason that they wouldn't upgrade the bios for me in the other one.

Edit: Just noticed the MORTAR MAX is out of stock in stores and will take a month to get from supplier.
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Ugh, figures. The supply can't keep up with demand on those Max boards. The same is probably true for the other vendor's mobos.
I wish they had given theirs a simple name addon like Msi did, they'd be easier to recognize.
 
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Both of those builds are way overpriced.

Here is the round about price of the 1st build if you built it yourself. I had to choose the psu myself as they are not specific on the psu, and also the ram and ssd. but I picked higher tier options for the ram and psu, and chose kingston for the ssd as thats most likely the type of quality they would be giving, and its still 500$ cheaper.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($74.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card ($609.16 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.98 @ NZXT)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($149.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1292.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-10 21:20 EDT-0400

I not gonna make the list for the 2nd pc, but as you can see itd be much better to build either of these sytems yourself, and if you have a 1800$ budget you could build a MUCH better pc than they are offering for the price.
 
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Well I have had it for a few days now and it is great.

Along with everything above (https://www.pbtech.co.nz/build/11633) I upgraded to 32GB ram from 16GB.

The cooler is working great and even stress testing my CPU won’t go above 69 (legit) degrees.

I did have an issue with my RAM at first. It was supposed to be 3200Mhz but was only running at 2400Mhz.

After playing around in the bios for a while with the XMP profiles it seems it is now running how it should at 3200Mhz.

Even with everything running full tilt the PC is super quiet.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions from earlier. So happy with the final product.

GPU: Gigabyte Geforce RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING OC 8GB GDDR6
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600
RAM: 32GB HyperX Predator (4 x 8GB) 3200Mhz
Cooler: CRYORIG H7
MOBO: ASRock B450 Steel Legend
SSD: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe Gen 3
HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB SATA3 3.5 inch 7200RPM
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W G3 80+ Gold Full Modular

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