Question Buying new PC need help!

[Mahnitov]

I will go in depth as much as possible. So someone can give me in depth answer so I can at least buy my self something somewhat decent.

If someone is interested.
Im from Danmark.

I spent quite some time searching PC parts but so I can build it my self but after some time I decided to ask my brother where he bought his PC, which was MM vision here in Danmark.
I decided on couple of options, but as I dont have experience I wanted to come here and see what you guys think.

source where you can see everything :

General PC-s :
https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/computer/vision-gaming

Corsair Hydro line :
https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/computer/corsair-gaming-pc

Powered by ASUS :
https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/computer/gamer-computere-powered-by-asus

So let's start it.

My wallet is around 10 000 to 14 000max (would like to avoid spending 14 000 but if it's needed I could maybe pay for it) my gold number would be around 12 000 to 13 000DKK.
Money conversion so everyone can understeand :

Euros : 10 000DKK - 1343,28Euro
Dollars : 10 000DKK - 1372,14Dollars

The games im mostly interested would be :

1. DayZ
2. League of Legends
3. New World
4. WoW
5. Path of Exile
6. No Man's Sky

Ofc this wouldn't be all games,because down the road I would like to play even more games. New titles.
When it comes to my preff setts, I never really been into Ultra settings and all that jazz, im ok with even very low but I would like to have option to go if possible to even ultra for some games.

When it comes to gear I have right now it is only a screen.

Screen : Lenovo G27-20 27inch FullHD - 144hz - 1ms - Freesync and Gsync

LENOVO G27-20 27" FULL HD GAMING-SKÆRM - Power.dk

www.power.dk

This screen is more then enough for me, because im not into 1440p or even 4k.
Down the road I might buy 1440p 27inch. So keep in mind that when you are giving me advice for GPU.

Now to PC-s

My first option I was looking at.

https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/Raptor-gaming-computer

The base PC looks decent enough but this site gives you option to upgrade parts.
This is what I did.

From base 16GB of Ram I went for 32GB of ram
From 3060 to 3060ti
And I deleted Windows Licence which saves me 800DKK which was money used for these aditional 16GB of ram.
Now I do know that this i5 bottle necks 3060ti gpu by 2.2% which I believe is nothing.

End money is (you can even do it your self if you want on site) : 12 200dkk (original price : 10 500dkk

Second option :

https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/Vision-Corsair-Hydro-series-HS30-Gaming

I kinda liked this option because of the DDR5 Ram which would be nice to have next gen of Motherboard for future upgrades.
I didn't change anything on this PC, the only thing I deleted was Windows licence so I save 800more DKK so the price is 11 700dkk I could slap 16more GB DDR5 ram.

Now when we are done with Corsair lineup I have to say that only this case costs around 600DKK, my brother has the same one and I saw it in person, yes it looks good, yes it looks flashy, is it really good compared to some other cheapers variants that they have on their site.

Now this is build im kinda satisfied with and is the one why im here.

https://www.mm-vision.dk/visiongaming/Monster-gaming-computer

The only thing that I changed is : deleted licence which gave me800 dkk and then because it looks like PC with less cooling I added to it
Corsair H100x 240mm Hydro water cooling system fitted

That would be all for this post.

If you can build something for me on the same site you can share a picture.

Sorry for the long post, but I was working a lot for this money and I really wanna get as much as possible for my money for some long term PC gamming.

 

[tennis2]

Cooling: You've got the same i5-12600KF in all systems. Not sure why you decided the Thermalright Macho Rev.B in system 3 was inadequate when the BeQuiet Pure Rock in system 1 is smaller. I would say the opposite is true. I'd trust the Thermalright Macho on a 12600KF, but the Pure Rock is a bit lacking. System 1 can be upgraded to the Macho.

If you can swing for a PSU upgrade to the Corsair TX/RMx for 200, do that.

RAM: DDR5-5200 will be comparatively slow in a couple years to the point where you probably won't want to carry it over to any new systems. It could be useful if you want to transfer it into a new system down the road that doesn't need to be high-end. I personally bought 16GB DDR4, most people still aren't using more than that, but if you buy DDR4, it's cheaper, so I guess you can spend the same budget and get 2x as much RAM....if you end up using it eventually.

I think a 3060Ti is a good GPU target.

After all that, you're [really] just choosing what case you want. The Corsair 275R comes with 2x 120mm fans (non-RGB), so you'll want to add 1 additional fan in the front (unless you go with the 240mm AIO upgrade, then you can move the rear exhaust fan to front intake). The 465X comes with 3x120mm RGB fans and I assume the 240mm AIO will be mounted up top as exhaust.

Price check: (Cooler, SSD, PSU and GPU are equivalent price stand-in's for PCPP stock reasons)
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (2149.00kr @ Dustin Home)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Ultimate 76 CFM CPU Cooler (397.00kr @ Proshop)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (2189.00kr @ Proshop)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (528.00kr @ Proshop)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (759.00kr @ Proshop)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB NITRO+ Video Card (4821.00kr @ Proshop)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (845.21kr @ Senetic)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (694.00kr @ Proshop)
Total: 12382.21kr
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-20 18:17 CEST+0200

 

[Mahnitov]

Cooling: You've got the same i5-12600KF in all systems. Not sure why you decided the Thermalright Macho Rev.B in system 3 was inadequate when the BeQuiet Pure Rock in system 1 is smaller. I would say the opposite is true. I'd trust the Thermalright Macho on a 12600KF, but the Pure Rock is a bit lacking. System 1 can be upgraded to the Macho.

If you can swing for a PSU upgrade to the Corsair TX/RMx for 200, do that.

RAM: DDR5-5200 will be comparatively slow in a couple years to the point where you probably won't want to carry it over to any new systems. It could be useful if you want to transfer it into a new system down the road that doesn't need to be high-end. I personally bought 16GB DDR4, most people still aren't using more than that, but if you buy DDR4, it's cheaper, so I guess you can spend the same budget and get 2x as much RAM....if you end up using it eventually.

I think a 3060Ti is a good GPU target.

After all that, you're [really] just choosing what case you want. The Corsair 275R comes with 2x 120mm fans (non-RGB), so you'll want to add 1 additional fan in the front (unless you go with the 240mm AIO upgrade, then you can move the rear exhaust fan to front intake). The 465X comes with 3x120mm RGB fans and I assume the 240mm AIO will be mounted up top as exhaust.

Okey so let me recap.
This is what I did with Raptor PC I showed you up there:
I will keep i5 12600kf they are giving me (I dont really see much reason to go for i7(it is better but, i dont see it crazy better and price is a bit up to what I get))
I will go for 3060ti (I could shoot towards 3070 but I dont see much reason because it's not like im gonna be doing 4k and stuff like that.)
1TB of SSD seems reasonable.
I will listen to you on the 16gb DDR4 and yeah I do think it is enough (and I can always upgrade to 32 when ever I want or need)

I can go for Corsair iCUE 465X RGB VG-Edition and no I dont have to buy rear fan because they actualy give you one for rear. That's what my brother got too.
And if im right you said : Thermalright Macho is just better overall for cooling so I will add that too.
And I will upgrade PSU to Corsair TX750m 750W 80plus gold

So end result :
Case : Corsair iCUE 465X RGB VG-Edition(front 3xfan rear x1)
Cooling : Thermalright Macho
CPU : i5 12600kf
GPU: 3060ti
RAM : 16GB DDR4 3600mhz
Motherboard : Asus TUF Gaming Z690-Plus motherboard
PSU : Corsair TX750m 750W 80plus gold

I hope that is what you were saying.
If not just change what I made mistake.

Original price was 11040
At the moment it is : 12391dkk
If there is something more you think I could add just shoot because we still have 1000 to work with. If not well im happy man.!!

Sorry for a lot of talking though.

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.alternate.dk/Fractal-Design/Pop-Mini-Air-Sort-Towerkabinet/html/product/1775626
Fractal Design Pop Mini Air kr. 811.00

https://www.alternate.dk/NZXT/C650-enhed-til-strømforsyning-650-W-24-pin-ATX-ATX-Sort-PC-strømforsyning/html/product/1612398
NZXT C650 650W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply kr. 656,00

https://www.alternate.dk/GIGABYTE/B...-B660-LGA-1700-micro-ATX/html/product/1815837
GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X DDR4 kr. 1.143,00

https://www.dustinhome.dk/product/5011267864/core-i5-12400f
Intel Core i5 12400F kr.1.493

https://www.proshop.dk/CPU-Koeler/DeepCool-AK400-CPU-Luftkoeler/3077086
DeepCool AK400 CPU Cooler kr.320,00

https://www.alternate.dk/Team-Group...-2-x-16-GB-DDR4-3600-Mhz/html/product/1780596
Team Group T-FORCE VULCAN Z DDR4 3600Mhz 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 kr. 857,00

https://www.proshop.dk/SSD/Crucial-P2-M2-NVMe-2TB/2877540
Crucial P2 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD kr.1.518,00

https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/G...AMING-OC-LHR-8GB-GDDR6-RAM-Grafikkort/2963107
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GAMING OC 8GB Graphics Card kr.4.390,00

A better look at those components.

Pop Mini Air

Fractal fuse flair with function in the new Pop series of cases that doesn’t skimp on aesthetics or flexibility. The entire series offers a solid foundation and excellent build quality, giving all users plenty of options and room to maneuver.

www.fractal-design.com

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660M-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...AK400-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/15222.shtml

DeepCool AK400 Review

The DeepCool AK400 may be a classic four-heat-pipe tower cooler, but traditional design aside, it is a compelling entry-level option. Its price-to-performance ratio is impressive, and the lack of ARGB lighting doesn't affect its aesthetically pleasing appearance. Drop in a good warranty and low...

www.techpowerup.com

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2400f-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming benchmarks.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aukcnCb-64U

 

[tennis2]

So end result :
Case : Corsair iCUE 465X RGB VG-Edition(front 3xfan rear x1)
Cooling : Thermalright Macho
CPU : i5 12600kf
GPU: 3060ti
RAM : 16GB DDR4 3600mhz
Motherboard : Asus TUF Gaming Z690-Plus motherboard
PSU : Corsair TX750m 750W 80plus gold

Looks good.

 

[geofelt]

I like the i5-12400F based system better for gaming.
The cpu is plenty strong enough.
I would pay a bit more for the non F version so you get integrated graphics.
Integrated is a godsend if you ever have discrete graphics issues.
The supplied cooler will be adequate, and you can always to stronger later.
Give it a try first.
Noctua maintains a list of suitability of coolers for various processors.
Here is the list for the 12400:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-1586
On the list is a low cost noctua nh-d12s redux:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-1586
It is a simple 120mm tower type cooler.
You can buy many others cheaper, but the noctua will be top quality, quieter, and be easy to install.
https://www.proshop.dk/CPU-Koeler/Noctua-NH-U12S-redux-CPU-Luftkoeler-Max-25-dBA/2944545



Usually in games, the graphics card is the limiting factor for fast action games.

 

[Mahnitov]

Looks good.

Thanks bud, this really helped me a lot that you kinda guided me through all of this.
I do have some knowledge on some things, but nowhere near what people here have!
So huge thanks!!

 

[Mahnitov]

I like the i5-12400F based system better for gaming.
The cpu is plenty strong enough.
I would pay a bit more for the non F version so you get integrated graphics.
Integrated is a godsend if you ever have discrete graphics issues.
The supplied cooler will be adequate, and you can always to stronger later.
Give it a try first.
Noctua maintains a list of suitability of coolers for various processors.
Here is the list for the 12400:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-1586
On the list is a low cost noctua nh-d12s redux:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-1586
It is a simple 120mm tower type cooler.
You can buy many others cheaper, but the noctua will be top quality, quieter, and be easy to install.
https://www.proshop.dk/CPU-Koeler/Noctua-NH-U12S-redux-CPU-Luftkoeler-Max-25-dBA/2944545



Usually in games, the graphics card is the limiting factor for fast action games.

Things is I could go and build my own pc, but it's gonna take me a lot of time and I have zero exp when it comes to building.
I tought to my self buying a rig like this one now and then upgrading it down the road as much as possible.
I would slap 12400f but they dont have it on mmvision right now, 12600kf is the only one.
I did hear that 12600kf is a bit on a bad side when it comes to overheatingbut I think i choose a good cooler for it.

 

[tennis2]

From a chip cost standpoint the 12400F is a great value. However, the 12600K is 7-12%% faster as shown in the chart that Why_Me linked, and when you compare that to PLATFORM cost (see my PCPP build in post #2) you're only paying ~5% more to get it.

In terms BYO vs pre-assembled: If you don't have someone to help you with your first build, it can be overwhelming. Ultimately there are plenty of build guides on YouTube and assembling a PC isn't terribly complicated, but troubleshooting can be a showstopper. I think you made the right choice to go with a pre-built on your first system. I like that the company you're using tells you the exact brand and model # of everything you're receiving and that they're using all standard aftermarket parts. As I showed above, unless there's better places to buy in Denmark that PCPP isn't pulling from, you're paying almost nothing for them to assemble it for you.