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Without using the word "license".........

Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
are renting it?

lm
 
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lawnmowerman wrote:
> Without using the word "license".........
>
> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
> are renting it?
>
> lm

Neither. You're purchasing the copyright holder's permission to use
_his_ product/property in accordance with the terms in the contract,
known as the EULA.


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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:48:44 -0500, lawnmowerman<lmower@toro.com> in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:

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>Without using the word "license".........
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>
>Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
>are renting it?
>
>lm

I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the 'L'
in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words "buy"
and "rent", which one would you apply.
 
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"lawnmowerman" <lmower@toro.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:48:44 -0500, lawnmowerman<lmower@toro.com> in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:
>
> *****
>>Without using the word "license".........
> *****
>>
>>Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as
>>if you
>>are renting it?
>>
>>lm
>
> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the
> 'L'
> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words
> "buy"
> and "rent", which one would you apply.


It's a trick question. Neither "buy" or "rent" are wholly appropriate
so no one can answer your question without qualifying their answer. You
as an end-user never get to buy any software! A company might purchase
a product to then include in their product line or to vaporize that
competition. It is very costly to "buy" the product. So, when you
bought Word, did you actually think you were buying the actual rights
and code for that product for so cheap? You "buy", say, Powerquest
PartitionMagic and DriveImage for something significantly under under
$1000, so why did Symantec have to pay millions to buy Powerquest's
software assets? You bought the "right to use". You did NOT buy the
"right to own." When you buy a book, you don't buy the rights to own
that book but just buy the rights to use that one copy of the book.

Renting means there is a repeated cost involved and that cost is
sustained during your agreement to use the service or product. When you
purchased the product, just when did you incur a monthly rental cost for
that product? If you choose to put it on your credit card and make only
the minimal payment then you are still not renting the product as the
credit contract has nothing to do with the product but with how you
decide to management your finances. Yearly subscriptions for products
like anti-virus software is still not renting the software. You
purchase the software in a certain state. What, you expect to take back
the first edition of a book to the bookstore and expect them to give you
the 2nd edition for free? It's your choice to upgrade, and there are
plenty of users still using Windows 98 or Word 97 who feel no
compunction to upgrade since the product does what they want and
continue to do what they got it for.

So, of your two but incomplete possible selections, "buy" is the more
correct answer. You bought the right to use. So what was your REAL
question? Or was your post a petulant rant disguised as a question?
 
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"lawnmowerman" <lmower@toro.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:48:44 -0500, lawnmowerman<lmower@toro.com> in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:
>
> *****
>>Without using the word "license".........
> *****
>>
>>Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as
>>if you
>>are renting it?
>>
>>lm
>
> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the
> 'L'
> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words
> "buy"
> and "rent", which one would you apply.


You never bothered to define what YOU mean by "buy" and "rent". Those
are hugely encompassing terms that can have different meanings based on
context or definition. You never define WHAT it is that is being bought
or rented, you don't define the terms of sale for "buy", and you
definitely don't define what you mean by "rent".

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lawnmowerman wrote:

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>
> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the 'L'
> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words "buy"
> and "rent", which one would you apply.

So..., Just what is the point of asking a question, if you're going to
disqualify the correct answer as a pre-condition?

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"Bruce Chambers" <bruce_a_chambers@h0tmail.com> wrote in message
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> lawnmowerman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what
>> the 'L'
>> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two
>> words "buy"
>> and "rent", which one would you apply.
>
> So..., Just what is the point of asking a question, if you're going to
> disqualify the correct answer as a pre-condition?


It is probably not a real question or poll but rather a disguised bitch
post. The OP has asked a trick question, like demanding a Yes or No
answer to "Have you stopped beating your wife?" No means you are still
beating her, Yes means you were beating her before, and neither allow
for a response that states you never beat her. The OP wants to color
everyone's response by not allowing them qualify their answer or pick a
more correct answer.

The OP mistakenly believes he is in control of the content of the
replies. He must be a newbie or wannabe lawyer watching those
television shows about courts and think the witness must answer Yes or
No because the lawyer demands only those responses. Lawyer: "Did he go
to the opera, yes or no?" Witness: "He went to the grocery store."
Lawyer: "That is not a yes or no response." Witness: "It was the
CORRECT answer to the inferred question of where did he go."
 
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Hi

The EULA explains all!!

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> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if
> you
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> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:48:44 -0500, lawnmowerman<lmower@toro.com> in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:
>
> *****
>>Without using the word "license".........
> *****
>>
>>Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if
>>you
>>are renting it?
>>
>>lm
>
> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the 'L'
> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words
> "buy"
> and "rent", which one would you apply.

Hi

You what the L stands for and that .txt file explains what the XP CD
can/can't be used for. Use MS Word to open the Thesaurus (Shift + F7) if
you need another defintion of License.


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"lawnmowerman" <lmower@toro.com> wrote in message
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> Without using the word "license".........
>
> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if
> you
> are renting it?

Neither

There is very little point in asking a question to which you restrict the
possible answer to a choice between 2 wrong ones.

You buy the right to use the software under specific terms and as part of
your purchase/transaction you also acquire a piece of physical media that
contains the software for your use under those terms (in case you do not
already have the software available to you).

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> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if
> you
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> lm
 
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Troll! Go away .

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> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if
> you
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:38:46 -0500, "Dan Schaffer" <somerset27@aol.com> in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:

>I think that lawnmowerman wondered how it *seems* to us, how we feel,
>not what the precise legal relationship was.
>
Congratulations Dan. :) You saw the question for what it was, a usage
question, and did not become defensive over it. Or abusive.

My own answer, which i did not give for a reason, is that according to two
words given, being "buy" and "rent". Then I would apply "rent". However,
if not limiting my expanded answer to two words, that answer would not be
"rent" but would probably contain the phrase "exclusive lease".

lm


>I feel I'm buying the program.

We feel that we "buy" books. But do we really? Or is it that we buy the
medium. (most consumer cases...some people actually DO buy books)

>No doubt it will become obsolete,
>but it will probably outlast the computer I'm using. I bought my car,
>but I might sell it when it's five or six years old.
>
>Good luck, Dan
>
>
>
>
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>> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
>> are renting it?
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Oh that is really cute. Either this is your standard level of intelligence
or you feel like your sacred cow was poked.


On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:38:31 -0500, "Richard Urban"
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>Troll! Go away .
>
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Microsoft regards OEM versions as if they are rented.

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>
> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
> are renting it?
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> lm
 
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"David Candy" <.> wrote:

>Microsoft regards OEM versions as if they are rented.

No more so than the computer that these OEM versions are installed on.


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lawnmowerman wrote:
> Without using the word "license".........
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> Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
> are renting it?
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> lm

False dichotomy.
 
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OK

To waste a few more seconds on your silly and pointless question - NEITHER.

I pay to put it on my computer and use it for as long as I see fit - whether
or not it is any longer supported by the manufacturer.

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"> lawnmowerman" <lmower@toro.com> wrote in message
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> Oh that is really cute. Either this is your standard level of
> intelligence
> or you feel like your sacred cow was poked.
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:38:31 -0500, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> in microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
> wrote:
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>>Troll! Go away .
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>>Regards:
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begin >lawnmowerman piddled around and finally wrote:

> Oh that is really cute. Either this is your standard level of intelligence
> or you feel like your sacred cow was poked.

It was both. Crusty Butt Muncher...I mean Crusty Old Bastard, has been spewing
his stupendous idiocy on the board for some years now.
Notice too, the lack of even 'combined' intelligence between all the rest of
the 'repliers' (all except for Dan. He's one of the few who don't follow the M$
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EULA = End-User License Agreement=A legal agreement between a software
manufacturer and the software's purchaser with regard to terms of
distribution, resale, and restricted use.
Above taken from the Fifth Edition, Microsoft Computer Dictionary.
Gene K

lawnmowerman wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:48:44 -0500, lawnmowerman<lmower@toro.com> in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics wrote:
>
> *****
>
>>Without using the word "license".........
>
> *****
>
>>Do you feel as if you are buying XP home or XP Pro or do you feel as if you
>>are renting it?
>>
>>lm
>
>
> I see that the first two replies refer to the EULA. I wonder what the 'L'
> in that acronym stands for? The question was that given the two words "buy"
> and "rent", which one would you apply.
 
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As has been implied by others: When you do not ask much of a question,
do not expect much of an answer.
[one of them "linear thought" types]
Gene K

joh N wrote:
> begin >lawnmowerman piddled around and finally wrote:
>
>
>>Oh that is really cute. Either this is your standard level of intelligence
>>or you feel like your sacred cow was poked.
>
>
> It was both. Crusty Butt Muncher...I mean Crusty Old Bastard, has been spewing
> his stupendous idiocy on the board for some years now.
> Notice too, the lack of even 'combined' intelligence between all the rest of
> the 'repliers' (all except for Dan. He's one of the few who don't follow the M$
> function of 'linear thought' only apparently).