Bye Bye PC as we know it! is the PC a dinosaur?

dragonsprayer

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This is post i thought about for many years, I thought I finally ask all you THG fans what your opinion was. As a system builder a few years ago I decided that the PC was going to be dead, sooner not later. Sure enough, we see lap tops are replacing PC's very fast even for gamers demanding high FPS rates. My hard core gaming son, who has gamed my pc's (built by us) for almost 10 years is now on a used Dell 15" with T9300 as of last month, doubt he return the PC.

My daughter is on her second lap top and my wife her 4th or 5th? They both went lap tops years ago, as non-gamers do.

Now with the gpu/gpu and cpu/gpu it appeared that the PC was going change in 2010. 2010 is here, we find P55 chip set lost it's beloved north bridge. The north bridge....o the days, an extra fan on the north bridge P5K P35 chipset - wow - extra overclocking. Bye bye north bridge.

Soon we have cpu/gpu, next the south bridge will be gone? Then what, no chipsets?

What about the hard drive? Soon a single SSD wil be as big and faster then a 4 drive raptor raid from a few years ago. Short stroking RAID's, as we have done since 2003, as left the Raptor in the dust. A good 4 x1TB drive with a 1TB RAID0 C drive will match the raptors, well unless you use a RAID card.

What I envisioned for years is the cpu, gpu, what is left of the chipset and SSD all fitting in single heat sink box. My idea is a small box, smaller then an itx system with all the parts and power of the current dual gpu dual card set ups. Plug this device into the hybrid air-tec cooler or water-tec. Total size is half a shuttle of smaller with the power of a $7000 gaming system today.

My point is that the system builder will find themselves like the dinosaurs extinct. I wonder is the PC a dinosaur too?

no more led fans? or uv lights! No more system builders, no more THG forums? :sleep: RIP PC
 
I just put together a very nice Xeon W3520-based desktop system. (The W3520 is identical to a Core i7 920 except that it supports ECC memory). My system has three hard drives (with an SSD soon to come), 12GB of ECC memory, and a 24" widescreen monitor. Laptops, while nice, just couldn't do this for me.

I certainly agree that laptops are becoming more and more capable, but there's a price premium for compact size and there's always going to be a market segment that's looking for better performance and expandability than a laptop can provide. I expect the market share for laptops to keep growing for a while, but there's no way that desktop PCs will die within at least the next 10 years or so.
 

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Granted that components are getting smaller and smaller. I think it will take quite a bit of time before computers get so small and have everything intergrated however I think there will always be people who build their own systems.

There will always be a good variaty of components as different cpu's, different gpus, chipsets and so on in order to have good competition to lower price costs.

I would think performance will always depend on custom builds and therefor I am certain there will always be people that will build custom machines as big brand names will build cheaper PC's for those who need basic tasks and lack knowledge of quality. Brands have to maximise profits.

So there is no end to system builders in my book.
 

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Heat dissipation is the key to miniaturization & consolidation of parts. The bigger the box the more heat you can dissipate. The more heat you can dissipate the more powerful the computer. Someone will always want to build the most powerful box possible so your theory falls apart. Personally, I have no use for a mobile computer. To me they are expensive, high maintenance toys with few upgrade paths other than buying another one. By the time you carry around all the external peripherals you may as well just attach a handle to your tower, which I have done more than once.
 
I prefer a desktop over laptops, ALWAYS. However, I do have a work laptop that's nice to use when I'm on vacation.

But in my house I never have the desire to compute anywhere except my desk.

But I do see what you mean. I'm the only "tech guy" in my building and I support 300 users. They often ask me to review their potential computer purposes and 9 out of 10 are laptops.

I have given up on computer gaming though, I'm getting a PS3 this holiday season and it's going to be my new gaming platform\netflix streamer\blu ray player. My main reason is because I love hockey and hockey is more fun on a console connected to my 42" television.
 
I wouldn't call it "dead". But clearly, for 'average' users there's less and less reason to invest in a desktop/tower.

Food for further thought: I'm looking at the Motorola 'Droid I treated myself to a couple weeks ago, which I have on my desk. I can surf the web on it with very reasonable speed, make/send/administer eMail, it has a half decent GPS, available 3rd party programs for nearly all common uses, etc etc.. And AAMOF even as I type this I am streaming music over the thing via LastFM.

What's to prevent a maker for adding voice recognition (buh~bye itty bitty keyboard!), boosting the storage (my mP3 player is about the same size and holds 128GB of music/video - a quantity that was practically unheard of a few years ago). A few silicon generations from now and for general usage you may even find people setting aside their lappys because their cellphone does what they need in a "personal computing device".

Hell - Some of us already rebuild our desktops about as often as our cellular contract expires....
 
..even further to the above: Charger dock connected to a Keyboard and Monitor.

Come home, drop your device into the dock and have a full sized monitor/keyboard. When you want to leave, pick it back up, put it in your pocket, and take it all with you.

 

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I see you guys are like me, i can hardly use a lap top even after last year when i took in the top of the line dual m8800gtx w/ X9000 running 3.2ghz - IMHO, big hot and slow.

i hope your all right and the PC will last until i retire! lol! per us gov that is no sooner then 2030 at least for SS.

thx!
 

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I'm hoping they'll come up with some sort of hybrid setup... a full desktop case allows for so much more heat to be dissipated and if you could isolate the case from the inputs/outputs you wouldn't even have to worry about the noise. I guess I'm hoping for some really stout box full of computing horsepower in one room and a wireless monitor, keyboard, mouse and USB hub in the other with me. Carry this one step further and this would just be something you lease and have delivered via the net... not physically delivered... umm... like we'd have dumb terminals in our homes that have access to massive amounts of remote computer power. For most of us, our cell phones provide us a competent portable link to the internet/world so I'm really hoping the laptop craze will pass... I really hope there will still be a place for more robust systems going forward.
 

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SOC (system on a chip) is definitely coming, and coming fast. I don't see the motherboard disappearing completely, but there's no logical reason you couldn't integrate more and more of the components on chip as process technology scales down. Imagine a chip with on core RAM and "SSD". Probably only a matter of time until it exists.
 

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Okay, the primary use for my system is word processing. I'm trying to become a writer. I could use a laptop at the house, but would require to hook up a keyboard, mouse, and a monitor. That, or I could just use my desktop since I would use a laptop the same way. I for one in agreement that I would rather have a desktop than a laptop any day. The only time I even take my laptop with me these days is I'm going on vacation. The thing is sitting inside its case since I moved in August.
 

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im not worried that portable devices will replace existing desktops at all.
allowing for more size, towers will always be more powerful and expandable than laptops. so there will always be a market for them.

what im worried about is pc building becoming easier. so easy that a grandmother could do it. all color coded, simple lego inputs, no noticeable wires etc.

us pc builders could well be a dying race.
 
Desktop PCs wont die. Mobility has its place but the problem is that for what we enthusiasts and businesses need a desktop can never be fully replaced by a laptop.

The biggest downfall right now to a laptop is price wise. 4GB of DDR2 is normally 2x the price of 4GB of DDR2 for the desktop. CPUs also have a higher price while also performing at a lower level.

I mean mobility is fine. But the DT and its customization abilities will never be replaced. Laptops just don't allow for that same level of customization.

I do think there will be a point though where it will be a all in one rather a tower/monitor.
 

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I agree with jimmysmitty.Desktop PC's are always more powerful than laptops.
A laptop can have decent performance but not matching a desktop in performance due to thermodynamics,power usage etc.Discrete graphics cards for the desktop invariably will have much better performance than a laptop and many people prefer much larger monitors,multiple monitors as well as discrete component cards (TV tuners,radios,scanners,digital-analog convertors) etc.
One could have made the same argument back in the early 1990's the desktop still survived.Yes there will be a fusion with CPU's and GPU's though but hard to say if discrete graphics cards will be replaced.
 

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It is definately a dirty game, but think of this. Video cards are getting bigger & bigger, pretty soon the mid-tower will not fit top-of-the-line video cards thus increasing the likelihood that full-towers will be increasing in sales. With bigger/faster/more powerful video cards (and overclocking) comes the need for a better power supply with more amps/watts and efficiency.

In no way do i see laptops taking over desktops, sure they may outnumber desktops, but apples & oranges IMHO.

Cloud computing is a joke as well, the cloud is our worst enemy... fear the cloud!!!
 

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I disagree on this. there is no way that my grandmother would know how to properly remove thermal paste, purify the surface, insert the CPU into the socket, secure it in, re-apply the paste correctly onto the hs/f, lock down the hs/f correctly, all on the first try only to realize that she faced the hs/f fan the wrong way! /doh! Reason i say that she would'nt be able to do this is because she's dead... there IS hope!

... so you're saying there's a chance...
 
Another comment I'll make on this subject is that I really hate "all-in-one" packages that include the CPU and the monitor, and that's pretty much what laptops are by definition. I've paid good money for a very nice monitor, and I don't want to throw money away by having to buy another monitor when I buy another system. The last monitor I had (a 21" CRT) lasted for 12 years through four systems, and was still working just fine when I decided it was finally time for something better than 1280 x 1024.

Conversely, if I want some day to upgrade my monitor, I don't want to have to buy an entire system to do so.

Those one-piece Macs look very pretty, but I'd never buy one.
 

You assemblers of PC's have a few years left. :)

I built my first computer in 1977 out of perf-board and wire-wrap sockets. OTOH, I do not miss the good old days.
 

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NOO!!! Never will pc die. For a lot of people having a nice case with neons and powerfull video card is like EVERYTHING. Those neons and all, laptops don have that!

PLZ get ur son to get a nice gaming rig that looks amazin
 

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