Calibrating help appreciated!!

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Hi

Have a USB scanner, Dell TFT monitor and Epson R300 printer, running XP Home
SP2

I would like to get the calibration as near as possible for the scanner,
monitor and printer, so that what I scan is shown identically on the screen
and what is printed looks like what I see on my screen. I use PSP 8.

I think I should be finding a test page to print, scan and view to campare /
adjust some settings including something called Gamma?

Any ideas / help would be much appreciated.
 
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I believe what you are really asking about is fundamental color management.
If you understand color management you will understand the role of
calibration.

Pantone, Monaco and others sell systems that will calibrate scanner, monitor
and printer.

The purpose of calibration, which is one part of color management, for most
users is to get a reasonably close match between the computer monitor image
and the print on the first try. Digital systems make it relatively easy to
get a reasonably good print in spite of what you do. However even in the
most experienced hands with rigorous color management procedures the first
print is not necessarily the best possible print.

In reality calibrating the monitor is the key step that is all most users,
even professionals, require, if basic color management is otherwise
understood. LCD monitors are just not as accurate as CRT monitors for
judging color depth and contrast and if one is serious one should use even a
middling level calibrated CRT for photo work rather than a middling LCD.
Monitor calibration is absolutely necessary for good color management
because if your photoprogram does not know what the color red, for example,
looks like on your monitor how can it tell your printer what color red you
would like to see in your print?

Calibrating the scanner, presuming it is operating properly, for most uses
is not necessary so long as you understand color management once the image
enters your photo editing program. If you are only scanning printed
photographs, and not working with digital original images or scans of
negatives/transparencies, you are working with original images of very
limited color and tonal scale. Particularly when scanning prints you need to
understand the relationships between scanner dpi, printer dpi, file sizes,
and the intended uses of the image or you may generate massive files that
actually have very little useful picture information.

Calibrating the printer, and every paper and ink combination requires its
own calibration, is icing on the cake for any but the most rigorous (maybe
the word is finicky) professional uses. I am sure I will get there some day.

Calibration systems currently on the market are all keyed to color
management as implemented by Photoshop 5 and later versions, and to my
understanding PSP is not as capable as even PS Elements in this regard ( I
only use Photoshop and admittedly could be wrong about this).

In any event all writing on the subject of color management that I have
ever read is written in terms of color management as implemented by
Photoshop. Your Epson printer's drivers are written to accomodate Adobe
Photoshop color management procedures in a relatively straightforward way.
Epson I believe still offers an excellent online course about these issues
called Print Academy. Adobe and Epson have for practical purposes set the
standards and methods for color management much as Creative set the
standards for sound cards in PCs: they were there first and the market
followed.

I suggest you read about color management and understand something about the
subject before you purchase anything. Unfortunately alot of what is written
is needlessly complex and some of it is just technically wrong about the
relationships between different color spaces, color bit depths and what
range of colors can actually be seen and reproduced on CRTs and in inkjet
prints (photo magazines tend to be filled with helpful misinformation). You
need to better understand the capablilities of your imaging program and gain
some trial and error experience with printing before purchasing more
hardware. These are complex issues that only become clear when you have made
several mistakes along the way, if you are as dumb as me.
 
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Many thanks for this insight - plenty of food for thought there...




"bmoag" <apquilts@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>I believe what you are really asking about is fundamental color management.
>If you understand color management you will understand the role of
>calibration.
>
> Pantone, Monaco and others sell systems that will calibrate scanner,
> monitor and printer.
>
> The purpose of calibration, which is one part of color management, for
> most users is to get a reasonably close match between the computer monitor
> image and the print on the first try. Digital systems make it relatively
> easy to get a reasonably good print in spite of what you do. However even
> in the most experienced hands with rigorous color management procedures
> the first print is not necessarily the best possible print.
>
> In reality calibrating the monitor is the key step that is all most users,
> even professionals, require, if basic color management is otherwise
> understood. LCD monitors are just not as accurate as CRT monitors for
> judging color depth and contrast and if one is serious one should use even
> a middling level calibrated CRT for photo work rather than a middling LCD.
> Monitor calibration is absolutely necessary for good color management
> because if your photoprogram does not know what the color red, for
> example, looks like on your monitor how can it tell your printer what
> color red you would like to see in your print?
>
> Calibrating the scanner, presuming it is operating properly, for most
> uses is not necessary so long as you understand color management once the
> image enters your photo editing program. If you are only scanning printed
> photographs, and not working with digital original images or scans of
> negatives/transparencies, you are working with original images of very
> limited color and tonal scale. Particularly when scanning prints you need
> to understand the relationships between scanner dpi, printer dpi, file
> sizes, and the intended uses of the image or you may generate massive
> files that actually have very little useful picture information.
>
> Calibrating the printer, and every paper and ink combination requires its
> own calibration, is icing on the cake for any but the most rigorous (maybe
> the word is finicky) professional uses. I am sure I will get there some
> day.
>
> Calibration systems currently on the market are all keyed to color
> management as implemented by Photoshop 5 and later versions, and to my
> understanding PSP is not as capable as even PS Elements in this regard ( I
> only use Photoshop and admittedly could be wrong about this).
>
> In any event all writing on the subject of color management that I have
> ever read is written in terms of color management as implemented by
> Photoshop. Your Epson printer's drivers are written to accomodate Adobe
> Photoshop color management procedures in a relatively straightforward way.
> Epson I believe still offers an excellent online course about these issues
> called Print Academy. Adobe and Epson have for practical purposes set the
> standards and methods for color management much as Creative set the
> standards for sound cards in PCs: they were there first and the market
> followed.
>
> I suggest you read about color management and understand something about
> the subject before you purchase anything. Unfortunately alot of what is
> written is needlessly complex and some of it is just technically wrong
> about the relationships between different color spaces, color bit depths
> and what range of colors can actually be seen and reproduced on CRTs and
> in inkjet prints (photo magazines tend to be filled with helpful
> misinformation). You need to better understand the capablilities of your
> imaging program and gain some trial and error experience with printing
> before purchasing more hardware. These are complex issues that only become
> clear when you have made several mistakes along the way, if you are as
> dumb as me.
>
 
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"Zaphod" <zaphodbeeb@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Have a USB scanner, Dell TFT monitor and Epson R300 printer, running XP
Home
> SP2
>
> I would like to get the calibration as near as possible for the scanner,
> monitor and printer, so that what I scan is shown identically on the
screen
> and what is printed looks like what I see on my screen. I use PSP 8.
>
> I think I should be finding a test page to print, scan and view to campare
/
> adjust some settings including something called Gamma?
>
> Any ideas / help would be much appreciated.

What you need is a colorimeter. The device has suction cups to attach it to
the front of your monitor while it looks at a test pattern created on the
screen by the included software. Adorama has it for $139. Look here:
http://www.adorama.com/ICVGEUSB102.html?searchinfo=Pantone%20Colorvision%20Spyder%20with%20PhotoCAL&item_no=1

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