Discussion Calling all computer programmers!!!!

[white.a.drew]

It's about high time some one helps mirosoft this is getting sad, i don't know about you guy's but it's getting just about to the point that windows is the virus. You can't use two audio devoces at once anymore without the second one disappering from your menu. Or literally two days after installing windows people are complaining it's became corrupted just gaming. Can we please get some stability can we get some group going to help microsoft "FIX THEY'RE OS"

 

[Newtonius]

While problems like these are quite frustrating, though I personally never had any of these issues, I can understand you wanting a community version OS of windows. A community outlook on the OS can surely increase the quality of life for it since the PEOPLE know what the PEOPLE want. Sadly, however, Windows is a closed system and tinkering with it can sometimes lead to more problems than fix. While there are definitely mods out there installing them is quite a hassle and Microsoft definitely won't be taking any design ideas or open source code from the modding community anytime soon, as this could lead to a lot of security issues, but they are always glad to see people who love their OS enough to customize it and seek to constantly improve using customer feedback. Albeit slowly.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

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But don’t cry if something is broken afterwards

 

[hotaru.hino]

There's always the ReactOS project, but a 1.0 of that is on the timeline of "maybe sometime within our lifetimes"

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Personally I don’t have any of these problems and haven’t had any problems since windows 10 was released

 

[DSzymborski]

There's already an OS that community programmers work on and develop: Linux. MS allows applications that change some things, but they get to control the code on their software.

 

[white.a.drew]

Personally I don’t have any of these problems and haven’t had any problems since windows 10 was released

Your lucky everyother day there is some corrupted file on my pc... All i do is game, i keep going through the forum reading post of nothing but system crashes because windows is failing lately.... Windows just outright refusing to even install in some cases for some odd reason till finding some specific usb for certain systems. But same build different owners older usbs work no problem. Theres just no so many odds and in issues that are happening with no predictions to what system is next or why just hey i work no issues here... But this exact same prebuilt is rejecting half these components because this prebuilt os is crashing constantly.... What.....

 

[white.a.drew]

There's already an OS that community programmers work on and develop: Linux. MS allows applications that change some things, but they get to control the code on their software.

Yeah, but if your going to release basically one of the only out the gate os that dont require any programming through terminal, third party programs blah blah blah.... Then make somthing STABLE OR "modable" to the community.

 

[DSzymborski]

Yeah, but if your going to release basically one of the only out the gate os that dont require any programming through terminal, third party programs blah blah blah.... Then make somthing STABLE OR "modable" to the community.

Windows is quite stable, though not perfect, something which is not unexpected considering how many different bits of hardware and software there are out there. The vast majority of people have nothing like the experience you describe.

Just personally, I have six PCs running full-time and in the last 30 days, there are literally two Windows failures and six application failures in the reliability history. If your problems are as extensive as you say, I'd suspect there's more of a user issue involved.

Yes, there are a lot of problem reported in these forums, because there are a lot of people in these forums. Nobody starts a thread to announce everything's working fine.

 

[white.a.drew]

Windows is quite stable, though not perfect, something which is not unexpected considering how many different bits of hardware and software there are out there. The vast majority of people have nothing like the experience you describe.

Just personally, I have six PCs running full-time and in the last 30 days, there are literally two Windows failures and six application failures in the reliability history. If your problems are as extensive as you say, I'd suspect there's more of a user issue involved.

Yes, there are a lot of problem reported in these forums, because there are a lot of people in these forums. Nobody starts a thread to announce everything's working fine.

Fair enough and pc it's self is fine no errors or any of that "reported" persay.... But do you physcally run through all of the system everyday and do system scans to make sure none of them have currupted partitions or any of that. Because they dont report EVERYTHING. Yes alot of us have a server or something they dont really care to "upkeep" the maintenance on they just maintenance. It always seems to be the system image files on my main system that has a problem though because again all i do on it is game... Well and some hulu youtube.... But other then that main pc isn't touched.

 

[DSzymborski]

Fair enough and pc it's self is fine no errors or any of that "reported" persay.... But do you physcally run through all of the system everyday and do system scans to make sure none of them have currupted partitions or any of that. Because they dont report EVERYTHING. Yes alot of us have a server or something they dont really care to "upkeep" the maintenance on they just maintenance. It always seems to be the system image files on my main system that has a problem though because again all i do on it is game... Well and some hulu youtube.... But other then that main pc isn't touched.

I work full-time from home and am frequently doing stuff running a neural network on one PC, gaming on a second PC, while doing a podcast or radio guest spot on a third PC simultaneously. My PCs have incredibly high workloads. I'm currently working on my main workhorse PC, which has ~100 applications and my entire Steam library installed.

There's no "secret" corruption out there that Windows is hiding from you.

 

[white.a.drew]

I work full-time from home and am frequently doing stuff running a neural network on one PC, gaming on a second PC, while doing a podcast or radio guest spot on a third PC simultaneously. My PCs have incredibly high workloads.

There's no "secret" corruption out there that Windows is hiding from you.

Thats not at all what i was saying similar but not you obviously just care to think im a nut so find an other forum to troll. However well scrolling through the forums run cmd as admin and type this command.
Sfc /scannow if you dont run this bi daily my jaw will drop if you respond it finds nothing.....

 

[DSzymborski]

Thats not at all what i was saying similar but not you obviously just care to think im a nut so find an other forum to troll. However well scrolling through the forums run cmd as admin and type this command.
Sfc /scannow if you dont run this bi daily my jaw will drop if you respond it finds nothing.....

Do you really think calling people trolls is a great strategy to keep this thread open? You're already treading very close to the edge of using our forum as a conspiracy theory blog here.

 

[Newtonius]

Thats not at all what i was saying similar but not you obviously just care to think im a nut so find an other forum to troll. However well scrolling through the forums run cmd as admin and type this command.
Sfc /scannow if you dont run this bi daily my jaw will drop if you respond it finds nothing.....

@DSzymborski is a moderator and has been here 7 years longer than you plus his words had no malice in them, I'm pretty sure he's not 'trolling'. Also Windows, unlike Apple, allows users to install their OS on almost any kind of system. From pocket size mini computers to entire DATACENTERS. Windows tries its best to be a 'one-size-fits-all' system, you're obviously going to have compatibility issues and random corruptions here-and-there with this much scalability. You just happen to be unfortunate enough to be dealing with some of these issues. It doesn't mean Windows is totally bad, it just means something with your system just isn't right. Perhaps it's a bad drive, or perhaps the Windows installer you used to install windows has a bad installation image. I'm not saying Windows is perfect, there's totally justified hate for it, but maybe don't go screaming about it being a virus in and of itself. There's always a solution to the problem if you delve deep enough. Granted it's more energy than you should be exerting sometimes.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

The whole premise of this post is a ridiculous rant that is not backed up by any facts. If you have system corruption and you have some serious malware and viruses or something else going on.

The vast majority of people do not have these problems as stated above. My computer is on at least 16 hours a day using it for full-time work and whatever else I want to do. and I never ever have these problems nor have I ever experienced them on any of my many systems or any of the many systems at work so I know from experience this is BS

 

[hotaru.hino]

It's also easy to blame the OS because it's the front facing software you see. But in my experience, a vast majority of problems are caused by the user, then a small percentage the hardware. If the OS was actually the culprit, it tends to be due to a series of convoluted events that you can't expect anyone to actually think would happen (though yes, failed spot checks sometimes makes it through the cracks)

Troubleshooting 101 starts with trying to repeat the problem. This gives you an idea of what may be involved. And if you have too many variables, you should consider outright eliminating them.

Semi-related, if only to poke at "problems caused by the user", a Windows developer chimed in on why Windows doesn't have a so-called "Expert Mode": https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20030728-00/?p=43043

 

[Grobe]

Nobody starts a thread to announce everything's working fine.

Have an idea reading this - What if there was created a new sub forum. Here people may brag about their stable systems and it's up-time 🆒

The vast majority of people do not have these problems as stated above. My computer is on at least 16 hours a day using it for full-time work and whatever else I want to do. and I never ever have these problems nor have I ever experienced them on any of my many systems or any of the many systems at work so I know from experience this is BS

Like this post is a nice example of 👍

 

[USAFRet]

Here people may brag about their stable systems and it's up-time

My systems are on 24/7. I cannot remember the last BSOD I had, across any of my systems. I know it was not in the entirety of last year.
Lots of photo/CAD/video work.

I have a test VM of Win 10 Pro that was first stood up on Dec 8 2016. Running almost 24/7. It has never ever crashed. Not once.
Granted, it is very basic and doesn't get used a whole lot. But it is running all the time.

I am absolutely not stating that crashes don't happen. But the vast majority would be user error.
The people that come here after struggling through months of "I get a BSOD every day"....Once a year is too much for me.
Identify the problem and fix it.

And of course, a known good backup routine can fix a LOT of things.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

i find that the folks who install lots of utilites--that are most often not needed at all--and do all kinds of tweaks are the ones that get into most trouble. gaming on a box should never make it go belly up--unless they are installing mods and stuff off torrents that could infect and negatively affect their system(s)

the OP must have some failing hardware is my guess at this point. if fresh windows installs don't fix it, it's hardware.

 

[white.a.drew]

i find that the folks who install lots of utilites--that are most often not needed at all--and do all kinds of tweaks are the ones that get into most trouble. gaming on a box should never make it go belly up--unless they are installing mods and stuff off torrents that could infect and negatively affect their system(s)

the OP must have some failing hardware is my guess at this point. if fresh windows installs don't fix it, it's hardware.

Again nothing wrong persay with my system. It's more or less the system image files on my main system that ever have a problem. I'm more or less going off of post I see most frequently on here Linus and other forums.... Repeat.... Audio ports shut off using two at once, systems fully corrupted after one simple update, a simple game crashing because windows didn't like you formating one drive specifically for a secondary os storage. Or again something simple, some earlier pointed out Microsoft makes it so you can boot other os's with it yeah and gets mad when you have a storage partition for it then wants to constantly siphon from it when it's not need. As much as yes there are a lot of nice things about windows I never said I didn't like it. Nor was done with it... You would think that they would make it a little more stable and yes as far spread and adaptable it is that's one of they're issues. You would think yes as nice as it is to be able to take basically a 12gb is and install it on a 1gb system yes exaturation whatever you would think thats where a lot of the issue is laying.

 

[Gam3r01]

Again nothing wrong persay with my system. It's more or less the system image files on my main system that ever have a problem. I'm more or less going off of post I see most frequently on here Linus and other forums.... Repeat.... Audio ports shut off using two at once, systems fully corrupted after one simple update, a simple game crashing because windows didn't like you formating one drive specifically for a secondary os storage. Or again something simple, some earlier pointed out Microsoft makes it so you can boot other os's with it yeah and gets mad when you have a storage partition for it then wants to constantly siphon from it when it's not need. As much as yes there are a lot of nice things about windows I never said I didn't like it. Nor was done with it... You would think that they would make it a little more stable and yes as far spread and adaptable it is that's one of they're issues. You would think yes as nice as it is to be able to take basically a 12gb is and install it on a 1gb system yes exaturation whatever you would think thats where a lot of the issue is laying.

If your car breaks down do you go walking through the streets asking for mechanics to start their own manufacturing business so that you have a better experience?
Of course not.
You get it fixed.
You sit with the handful of other people having similar issues while they get worked on and as this happens the millions of other users go about their day without so much as a thought about their product not working.

Nothing is ever going to be perfect, its not possible.
Requesting the public masses to take matters into their own hands would result in a jumbled mess but hey at least its not windows right?

 

[white.a.drew]

If your car breaks down do you go walking through the streets asking for mechanics to start their own manufacturing business so that you have a better experience?
Of course not.
You get it fixed.
You sit with the handful of other people having similar issues while they get worked on and as this happens the millions of other users go about their day without so much as a thought about their product not working.

Nothing is ever going to be perfect, its not possible.
Requesting the public masses to take matters into their own hands would result in a jumbled mess but hey at least its not windows right?

Actually you would be amazed at what i have done with my car but yeah assume away. Cars are a whole different subject then a pc so bad example.... You can completely rebuild a car to your own standarads.... Same with a os kinda if you know what your doing with coding and other stuff where that im not as knowable about. And again you guys are focused on the perfection of it no i dont care if it's perfect i care if it's stable enough to as plug and playable as they claim it to be. I love to playaround and tinker woth older systems parts amd stiff i find at junk outs. Garage sales. Windows 7 hasn't had half has many issues as 10 if you look back i didnt really post anything to this forum till 10 came out 7 was basically heaven to me i have no issues withwidows i have issies with 10 being a pain

 

[USAFRet]

Requesting the public masses to take matters into their own hands would result in...

...Linux.

 

[DSzymborski]

Have an idea reading this - What if there was created a new sub forum. Here people may brag about their stable systems and it's up-time 🆒

Like this post is a nice example of 👍

The Everything's OK forum!

 

[BogdanH]

Let me share my experience about how to keep Windows stable.
And as for intro: I've started in DOS times and been trough all Windows versions since then. And being a hobby programmer, I think I have a basic idea how stuff works.
Jumping to more recent past.. I have run exactly the same Windows 7 x64 SP1 version for over 10 years -without any update! During that time, I think, I made clean install 3-4 times (always the same ISO) when I upgraded my PC. Learning from past, I decided not to use any "anti-whatever" software. The only protection was, what was built inside Windows. And yes, I visit "not recommended" web sites and I do download stuff.
When Windows 10 appeared, I was interested of course and did try it 2-3 times.. but it was crap. To keep story short, about a year ago, I finally found version that works for me and so I decided to stay with it. Which means, block any kind of updates was my first step! I want to keep it as it is -why update if it works for me?

When reading on forums, I can notice many are almost obsessed with being "updated". And many of those also run all kind of "anti-no-idea-what" software. And finally, they try to "optimize/tweak" whatever hardware/software gives (after they've read few lines in some forum). How many times we can see here "just built my first PC and I think I need to undervolt CPU.." (or similar).

Beside hardware and OS, there's also software we use. Many of it run in background all the time and so, it's sometimes hard to tell what exactly caused freezing screen or crash... can be software we use, some driver, Windows.. or maybe our hardware "tuning" which we forgot about.
My advice: make change only when you need to.. when you have a reason. Make one change at a time and then use PC for few days to make sure everything is ok (before you make further changes).

Sorry for longer post... I realize it's not directly related to OP.. is more targeting new "PC enthusiasts".