Can I use a discrete(external) VGA card if onboard(Internal) VGA was defective?

[a cooperator]

Hi,

First: My motherborad is Asrock 775i65G Rev. 2.12, has a VGA card built-in(onboard), however, if this had been defective, then could I have used another external VGA card, and install it on one of the PCI-Express slots. Or there a specific slot for VGA card.

Second:If you have seen my screen shot below well, you will see that there are words saying
Dual Channel FSB1066 for external Graphics
FSB800 for internal Graphics.

Thus, I don't know what is meant with that above. If meant that I can install another discrete VGA card, then I would be saying where VGA card would be installed?

 

[VincentP]

If you can find an old AGP graphics card, it should work fine in the brown slot.
Next best thing would be a PCI graphics card in one of the white slots.
Newer cards are PCI-E and you don't have a slot for this.

 

[a cooperator]

If you can find an old AGP graphics card, it should work fine in the brown slot.
Next best thing would be a PCI graphics card in one of the white slots.
Newer cards are PCI-E and you don't have a slot for this.

It seems that this thread and another one became similar. Thus,
I would anyohe to address these ponints of mine in either thread to close and mark these threads as solved

Thanks a lot,
First: what is written with these words below, what it means:
If you have seen my screen shot below well,

you will see that there are words saying
Dual Channel FSB1066 for external Graphics
FSB800 for internal Graphics.

Second: my Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has AGP 8X slot. Also, I have a Discrete Nvidia Graphics Card which is installed on a AGP 2x/4x mode & AGP 2.0 compliant slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x. That Navidia Graphics card works well. However, it is installed on a AGP slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x without any 8X. Thus, this Nvidia VGA Card can be installed on AGP 8X without any problems of compatiblitly??

Thirdly: My Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has integrated VGA card, and AGP 8X slot. Thus, If I used Integrated VGA card to connect a monitor, and used the AGP 8X slot to install antoher discrete VGA card (for instance, GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB of RAM(gf5200,128M)) to connect another monitor, then it would be OK.

Finally: You mean there are new discrete VGA cards to be installed on PCI-Express. If so, then you don't think that my PCI slots are PCI-express?

 

[VincentP]

If you can find an old AGP graphics card, it should work fine in the brown slot.
Next best thing would be a PCI graphics card in one of the white slots.
Newer cards are PCI-E and you don't have a slot for this.

It seems that this thread and another one became similar. Thus,
I would anyohe to address these ponints of mine in either thread to close and mark these threads as solved

Thanks a lot,
First: what is written with these words below, what it means:
If you have seen my screen shot below well,

you will see that there are words saying
Dual Channel FSB1066 for external Graphics
FSB800 for internal Graphics.

Second: my Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has AGP 8X slot. Also, I have a Discrete Nvidia Graphics Card which is installed on a AGP 2x/4x mode & AGP 2.0 compliant slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x. That Navidia Graphics card works well. However, it is installed on a AGP slot on my Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A Rev. 1.x without any 8X. Thus, this Nvidia VGA Card can be installed on AGP 8X without any problems of compatiblitly??

Thirdly: My Asrock 775i65G Rev 2.0 has integrated VGA card, and AGP 8X slot. Thus, If I used Integrated VGA card to connect a monitor, and used the AGP 8X slot to install antoher discrete VGA card (for instance, GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB of RAM(gf5200,128M)) to connect another monitor, then it would be OK.

Finally: You mean there are new discrete VGA cards to be installed on PCI-Express. If so, then you don't think that my PCI slots are PCI-express?

1) They have only provided an 800 MHz front side bus to the integrated graphics controller. On an old board like this, the onboard graphics is on the motherboard rather than built into the CPU. With a discrete card you will be on the 1066 MHz front side bus.
2) An AGP X2 or X4 card will work in a X8 slot as these are backwards compatible.
3) The integrated graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card.
4) This board does not support PCI express. When PCI express was released it replaced the need for AGP. Any AGP motherboard is too old to support PCI-E.

 

[a cooperator]

Thanks a lot

1) They have only provided an 800 MHz front side bus to the integrated graphics controller. On an old board like this, the onboard graphics is on the motherboard rather than built into the CPU. With a discrete card you will be on the 1066 MHz front side bus.

This 1066 MHz would be converted automaticaly once a discrete video card was installed.

3) The integrated graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card.

Yes, the integrated graphics on the motherboard would be disabled automatically once exteranl Graphics card was installed on the AGP slot.
Also, I was expecting that I can still use both VGA cards, buitl-in card, and discrete VGA card, thus I would be able to blug more than one monitor. If no, then how can I plug more than one external display, or projector. Also, what benefit from supporting an integrated VGA card on the mothboard, and discrete VGA card on AGP slot

4) This board does not support PCI express. When PCI express was released it replaced the need for AGP. Any AGP motherboard is too old to support PCI-E.

I know the appearnce of PCI, but I don't know the apperance of PCI-express. Could you let me know how to see them.

 

[VincentP]

1) They have only provided an 800 MHz front side bus to the integrated graphics controller. On an old board like this, the onboard graphics is on the motherboard rather than built into the CPU. With a discrete card you will be on the 1066 MHz front side bus.

This 1066 MHz would be converted automaticaly once a discrete video card was installed.

It is just the way to board is wired. Your AGP graphics card will be on the 1066 MHz FSB.

3) The integrated graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card.

Yes, but the integrated graphics on the motherboard would be disabled automatically once exteranl Graphics card was installed on the AGP slot.
Also, I was expecting that I can still use both VGA cards, buitl-in card, and discrete VGA card, thus I would be able to blug more than one monitor. If no, then how can I plug more exteernal display, or projector.

This is just the way it is, the onboard graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card. To run multiple monitors you either need a graphics card that supports multiple monitors or to install multiple discrete graphics cards (e.g. AGP + PCI).

4) This board does not support PCI express. When PCI express was released it replaced the need for AGP. Any AGP motherboard is too old to support PCI-E.

I know the appearnce of PCI, but I don't know the apperance of PCI-express. Could you let me know how to see them.

From wikipedia:

Various PCI slots. From top to bottom:
PCI Express ×4
PCI Express ×16
PCI Express ×1
PCI Express ×16
Legacy PCI (32-bit)

 

[a cooperator]

Thank you all of you.

This is just the way it is, the onboard graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card. To run multiple monitors you either need a graphics card that supports multiple monitors or to install multiple discrete graphics cards (e.g. AGP + PCI).

Installing a discrete grapihcs card on PCI would be impossible since my motherboard only has noraml PCI, and there is no Grapihcs cards can be installed on normalm PCI.

Do you think that Daulview option will let each exteranl monitor show a different output/pictures, although they are connected to a same PC. This would be much better if been ture. I never ever plugged two mointors to a same pc. I am always working on one mointor. I sometimes connect a projector to my same modern HP laptop via External monitor port. However, what is shown in the monitor was shown in the projector. I could not specify as to which can be shown on the projector and which can be shown on the monitor, although my Graphics Card is AMD Radeon HD 6770M (1 GB DDR5), which is discrete graphics card, and the Intel integrated GPU which is built on CPU.

 

[Calvin7]

Here is an example of a PCI video card. These were used in the late 1990's.

Riva TNT2 PCI VGA Video Card
http://www.ebay.com/itm/nVIDIA-Riva-TNT2-PCI-VGA-Video-Card-/281552636658?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item418dd84af2

 

[VincentP]

Thank you all of you.

This is just the way it is, the onboard graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card. To run multiple monitors you either need a graphics card that supports multiple monitors or to install multiple discrete graphics cards (e.g. AGP + PCI).

Installing a discrete grapihcs card on PCI would be impossible since my motherboard only has noraml PCI, and there is no Grapihcs cards can be installed on normalm PCI.

Do you think that Daulview option will let each exteranl monitor show a different output/pictures, although they are connected to a same PC. This would be much better if been ture. I never ever plugged two mointors to a same pc. I am always working on one mointor. I sometimes connect a projector to my same modern HP laptop via External monitor port. However, what is shown in the monitor was shown in the projector. I could not specify as to which can be shown on the projector and which can be shown on the monitor, although my Graphics Card is AMD Radeon HD 6770M (1 GB DDR5), which is discrete graphics card, and the Intel integrated GPU which is built on CPU.

All graphics cards were PCI before AGP became the standard. Before that was ISA.
ISA, PCI and PCI-E are all general use expansion slots used for graphics cards, network cards, storage controllers and anything else you might want to run in your PC.
AGP was the odd one out in that was specifically designed for graphics only. Boards with AGP still had PCI or ISA slots for other expansion cards.
I don't know if you'll find a PCI graphics card now, but you might find one for sale or just lying around in the back of a computer repair shop.

Once you have a second working video output, you can select in Windows how this is used.
By default it will be a clone of your first display, but in the display properties you can select "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" and then it will be an independent monitor where you can drag applications between monitors.

 

[a cooperator]

Once you have a second working video output, you can select in Windows how this is used.
By default it will be a clone of your first display, but in the display properties you can select "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" and then it will be an independent monitor where you can drag applications between monitors.

Thank you so much indeed,

I really don't know if that can happen with projector. I.e. I have plugged a projector to my HP laptop, however, I couldn't specify as to which applications/output can be shown on the projector. Instead of that, I found what was being shown in my built-in display was shown in the projector. When I chose 'expand', no thing happen.

 

[a cooperator]

Once you have a second working video output, you can select in Windows how this is used.
By default it will be a clone of your first display, but in the display properties you can select "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" and then it will be an independent monitor where you can drag applications between monitors.

Thank you so much indeed,

I really don't know if that can happen with projector. I.e. I have plugged a projector to my HP laptop, however, I couldn't specify as to which applications/output can be shown on the projector. Instead of that, I found what was being shown in my built-in display was shown in the projector. When I chose 'expand', no thing happen.

 

[a cooperator]

Thank you all of you.

This is just the way it is, the onboard graphics will be disabled when you install a discrete graphics card. To run multiple monitors you either need a graphics card that supports multiple monitors or to install multiple discrete graphics cards (e.g. AGP + PCI).

Installing a discrete grapihcs card on PCI would be impossible since my motherboard only has noraml PCI, and there is no Grapihcs cards can be installed on normalm PCI.

Do you think that Daulview option will let each exteranl monitor show a different output/pictures, although they are connected to a same PC. This would be much better if been ture. I never ever plugged two mointors to a same pc. I am always working on one mointor. I sometimes connect a projector to my same modern HP laptop via External monitor port. However, what is shown in the monitor was shown in the projector. I could not specify as to which can be shown on the projector and which can be shown on the monitor, although my Graphics Card is AMD Radeon HD 6770M (1 GB DDR5), which is discrete graphics card, and the Intel integrated GPU which is built on CPU.

All graphics cards were PCI before AGP became the standard. Before that was ISA.
ISA, PCI and PCI-E are all general use expansion slots used for graphics cards, network cards, storage controllers and anything else you might want to run in your PC.
AGP was the odd one out in that was specifically designed for graphics only. Boards with AGP still had PCI or ISA slots for other expansion cards.
I don't know if you'll find a PCI graphics card now, but you might find one for sale or just lying around in the back of a computer repair shop.

Once you have a second working video output, you can select in Windows how this is used.
By default it will be a clone of your first display, but in the display properties you can select "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor" and then it will be an independent monitor where you can drag applications between monitors.

Thanks a lot,
Yes, you're absolutely right. So this thread should be marked as solved.