can my 380w Psu handle these graphic cards ???

[gentieman]

hello community just made a new account on this site to ask something important as I believe you guys have the knowledge here, I'm planning to upgrade new graphic card for cheap price I will list you all cards bellow, but if you suggest me some better than tell me unless it also works for me so that's why I'm here first I'm not a hardcore gamer and I won't upgrade nothing on my PC so I want to be very sure and don't want to take any risk doing that also my specs are next:
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motherboard : Asustek V-P5G41E
Cpu : core 2 Quad Q8300 95.0w
Memory : 2x2gb=4GB 1333MHz SD-DDR3 dual
Hard disk : Sata III seagate 7200.14 300gb
graphic card (curently) Radeon HD 4350 (Overclocked XD)
most important think PSU : Asus AcBel PC9045-ZA1G ATX Power Supply 380
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That's it, I will also post a picture of the psu I found on the net

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ok guys now i show you the list of cards i can get i did a big research about it and found the most good with little power i guess ?

Radeon HD 5770 512M GDDR5
R7 240 2Gb
GT 630 ddr5 1gb
NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 1Gb
Radeon 6450 MSI and other saphire (was about to get that but not worth right?)
ATI FirePro V3800-v3900 ? XD
Radeon HD 6570 DDR3 and GDDR3

so guys that's all for now I think I could somehow, maybe run cause I think my psu is bad, just my thoughts, but if you know this psu well and know its good or could get better upgrade that would make me really happy to know, but even its bad I could at least increase some performance so I don't stick with this bad card that can barely run games from 2006 lol ... peace out

UPDATE : i also calculated with https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator and came out example with an HD 7750 is max Load Wattage: 251 W and 17.7A = 213w ... ?

 

[Barty1884]

That AcBel unit can *actually* do 216W max on the 12V rails. (18A) Add in degradation over time, assuming that PSU is Q2Q era it's ~10 years old. I'd expect that output to be at least -25%, so around 160W/13A.

Given the vast majority of any rig will use the 12V exclusively (HDDs and SSDs, I believe, will use the 5V) there's really not much headroom at all.


95W CPU as a starting point. With any of those GPUs, the CPU will most likely be able to do 100% and pull 95W.
Add in maybe 10-20W for RAM etc, I'd say absolutely max, you have about 50W to play with.

The 5770 is >100W, so it's off the table.
The 640 & 630 are 65W, so probably not
The 620 is 49W, so really close
The 6570 is 44W for the DDR3 varaitn.

All in all, while some of those *might* work, they're not very viable.


A GT1030 would be a solid option IMO, but there's definitely potential that the BIOS won't allow it on an older OEM system.

 

[gentieman]

That AcBel unit can *actually* do 216W max on the 12V rails. (18A) Add in degradation over time, assuming that PSU is Q2Q era it's ~10 years old. I'd expect that output to be at least -25%, so around 160W/13A.

Given the vast majority of any rig will use the 12V exclusively (HDDs and SSDs, I believe, will use the 5V) there's really not much headroom at all.


95W CPU as a starting point. With any of those GPUs, the CPU will most likely be able to do 100% and pull 95W.
Add in maybe 10-20W for RAM etc, I'd say absolutely max, you have about 50W to play with.

The 5770 is >100W, so it's off the table.
The 640 & 630 are 65W, so probably not
The 620 is 49W, so really close
The 6570 is 44W for the DDR3 varaitn.

All in all, while some of those *might* work, they're not very viable.


A GT1030 would be a solid option IMO, but there's definitely potential that the BIOS won't allow it on an older OEM system.

 

[gentieman]

That AcBel unit can *actually* do 216W max on the 12V rails. (18A) Add in degradation over time, assuming that PSU is Q2Q era it's ~10 years old. I'd expect that output to be at least -25%, so around 160W/13A.

Given the vast majority of any rig will use the 12V exclusively (HDDs and SSDs, I believe, will use the 5V) there's really not much headroom at all.


95W CPU as a starting point. With any of those GPUs, the CPU will most likely be able to do 100% and pull 95W.
Add in maybe 10-20W for RAM etc, I'd say absolutely max, you have about 50W to play with.

The 5770 is >100W, so it's off the table.
The 640 & 630 are 65W, so probably not
The 620 is 49W, so really close
The 6570 is 44W for the DDR3 varaitn.

All in all, while some of those *might* work, they're not very viable.


A GT1030 would be a solid option IMO, but there's definitely potential that the BIOS won't allow it on an older OEM system.

Hey, thank you for your reply that card is good but too expensive lol... anyway, does that mean that's my psu is a bit of medium stable for some okay graphic cards just that doesn't get to 100% right? cause I'm afraid as I heard there are some very low quality and brands, but I guess Asus is a popular mark and trusted one.. ? there also some card I did not list that don't take most much power, i just was scared and afraid to do so but from my experience I think radeons are better for performance and low power for cheap and low end pc`s and also does it make me save if it doesn't get past 200 w in the V12? strange that some I read run some such powerful cards on a 240 300w psu

 

[Barty1884]

The PSU isn't made by ASUS, it's made by AcBel, and it's ok at best. Sufficient for the stock config those systems ship with, but not a whole bunch else.

As for 100%, not exactly. If the hardware is drawing more power than the PSU can comfortably provide, you'll see instability & crashes. In the absolute worst case, with junk PSUs, they can even be firehazards (AcBel aren't fire hazards though).

I can assure you, nobody is running something like a 5770 paired with any remotely substantial PSU on a ~240W PSU - at least not stable.

Quality is what matters first & foremost with a PSU - the wattage listed on a sticker, outside of quality PSUs, typically mean nothing.

The PSU you have *could* do 216W max, when it was new. It's not new, it's nearer 10 years old at this point. There's just no way it's going to be capable of that anymore.

I wouldn't pair any card with a TDP >50W with that system as is.

You *could* replace the PSU, but with a 10 year old system, it's not an overly economical solution. And anything too strong (performance-wise) will be wasted paired with an old C2Q anyway

For (relatively) viable cards 50W or less, in order of performance would be:
GT 1030
GT 730
R7 240
GT 710

They're all substantial steps up from your 4350 and whichever fits within budget should be a solid upgrade.
I'd probably avoid the GT1030, even if it was within budget, for the potential compatibility issues with the older board (although should be fine, as it's not strictly an OEM board like a Lenovo, Dell or HP etc. Came in an OEM system, but it's still an ASUS board. Didn't get any BIOS updates post-release though, so I wouldn't bet on a 10 series, potentially even a 900 series, working without issues.

What kind of budget are you working with here?

What's your intended use-case? I assume some light/lower resolution gaming?

 

[gentieman]

I can't go past 25€ I'm living in Europe to be honest, I just thought I could game with something cheap for now cause I am not even planning to upgrade right now nothing to stick with these PC as I'm looking to move out soon and I'm buying these cards from a site that they sell with very cheap price.... Yes, I don't care I could game on 360p - 480p just want a stable fps 30+ and btw, I work with other softwares like photoshop that takes a bit of gpu performance I just struggle this one can't even handle a game from 2005 on max lol .... I also loved the R7 240 very powerful with that small power and budged, I could get that card before they sell so cheap, but right now the prices got so much higher somehow I will see if I could somehow get it the 710 , 730 to expensive i have also very small choise i guess i can also get the GT 520 just the perfomance is not that well as the 240 i really like the HD 6570 cheap tho mhh ... what about these ?

Radeon HD 7570 = an oem but very strong card (to bad its a bit expensive)
HD 5570 512 ddr5 128 bita ? = got in love with this one (holy s*** cheap as ....)
GT 430 = Holy .. perfomance but doupt it will work ? (very cheap)
GT 420 = (to expensive)
GT 520 = (cheap)
thats the card also minimal and best perfomance i know from all research mh ? btw i notice why are those DDR5=GDDR5 lower on power than the DDR3 ? 😵

 

[gentieman]

i had before an small form factor hp 7700 2006 that run the 2008 graphic card ? what about the guys that test newest graphic cards example a GT 1030 on a dell from 2011 ? or even older or the guy playing a AMd radeon R9 270x on a pentium D pc that is 11 12 years old is that just a coinsidence ? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEbNTGw97v4)

 

[superninja12]

I dont wan't to butcher your thread but , because something from 2006 runs a 2008 gpu ,doesnt mean your pc right now WILL run a 2017 card.

Prebuild pcs dont have the most amazing bios updates, unlike custom motherboards that will keep up with updates for at least 5 years.

Regarding your video, its NO gurantee for you it will work, and at this point I strongly recommand you to not upgrade that card because:

1) most games like csgo league dota pubg are cpu bound
2) that psu is a timebomb
3) no gurantee you wont run in software related issues.

 

[Barty1884]

With that kind of budget, there's unlikely to be anything too worthwhile.

The lack of BIOS support will likely be an issue too, although I'd expect 400-500 series cards to do ok..... just not really worthwhile.

Agreed with Blackbird here, it's time to save up for newer hardware.

 

[gentieman]

superninja12 which card you mean ? if you mean just what i mentioned it was just about the discusion my question is above which cards i coult get

Radeon HD 7570
HD 5570 512 ddr5 128 bit
GT 430
GT 420
GT 520 theyr mostly 2012 just 1 2+ years i just want the answer because of my psu if it will work with it and be save all other thinks like the perfomance upgrading my pc to a 2017 was not mentioned but if its so that there is no way i coult jsut barely increase gaming for a 480p 30+ im done or either way i get the 6430 and enjoy my 640x gaming 32x32 pixel 60 fps

 

[gentieman]

Barty1884 i mentioned you all the cards above and i can get them with that amount of money its not even that much i know its not that worth but doesnt matter what would you suggest that any of these i mentioned would work or not ? .....

update : well maybe it would not work on my bios as you all said just a matter it coult but it coult not so its a risk for me to even upgrade from a 2012 year ill still will take a look but anyway thanks all for your time apprecitae it se ya

BTW Barty1884 like how you toke it all informative and knowledge the discusion and the answers with me, like you bro glad you did not came with just an *hardware update*