Can no longer wait for Bulldozer, Now it's Sandy Bridge Build

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irishred wrote :

Hello,
I waited as long as I could for Bulldozer. My old computer is puttering now. I did do a I5-2500k build today. Please tell me if this is good and give me advice on how I can improve or save more money. Left out ram, wasn't sure which to pick. Thanks!
Approximate Purchase Date: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better)

Budget Range: (800-1000 Before Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (video editing, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies)

Parts Not Required: ( keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, 128 sata 11 SSD,OS-Windows 7 Ultimate)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, tiger direct, amazon, anywhere else that has decent prices.

Country of Origin: (U.S) Don't live near Micro Center damn it.

Parts Preferences: by brand or type (Sandybridge, half tower)

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: ( 1920x1080)

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697

XFX HD-695X-CDDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150548

CORSAIR Professional Series HX850 (CMPSU-850HX) 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC ..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

Open Box: ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701R

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler bracket included I7 i5 775 1155 AMD and dual fan push pull compatible
Item #: N82E16835233082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

Total: $957.62 with instant discounts and no shipping cost.
I didn't include the $60 in rebates because sometimes they're not worth squat.
 

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Is it true that speed of the ram play more important like 8gb 1866mhz or 1600 for editing? I'm going to keep my computer as Sandy Bridge. Hopefully with this build, it will last me for a few year with minor upgrades. Is the build I picked out have compatible components and is it a good build?
 

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I wouldn't buy that MoBo, it's open box...you don't know why the person before returned it. Otherwise, to future proof your system, go for 8GB and the clock rate isn't the most important. And 8GB IS OVERKILL!!!!!!!!! Unless you're running a server, then get more. And can I still convince you to go the AMD route?
 
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Enforcer-Interior-SGC-1000-KWN1/dp/B004WK3KKQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1309650281&sr=1-6 $79.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Storm Enforcer USB 3.0 Mid Tower ATX Case with Window and Black Interior (SGC-1000-KWN1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371049 $99.99 - $69.99 after mail-in rebate FREE SHIPPING
Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-P67X4B3&title=ASRock-P67-EXTREME4-B3-LGA1155-Intel-P67-B3-DDR3-Quad-SLI-Quad-CrossFireX-SATA3-USB3-0-A-GbE-ATX-Motherboard $154.99 Free Shipping
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 B3 LGA1155/ Intel P67 B3/ DDR3/ Quad SLI & Quad CrossFireX/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.662487 $454.98 $20.00 Mail-In Rebate Card Price After Mail-In Rebate(s): $434.98 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPH0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER $29.51 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144&cm_sp=Cat_Memory-_-Daily_Deal-_-20-233-144 $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-3-5-Inch-Internal-HD103SJ/dp/B002MQC0P8/ref=sr_1_1?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1309660529&sr=1-1 $59.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM

Total: $959.43 *not including mail in rebates

Here's an additional case fan for the top of that case.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Computer-Cooling-R4-LUS-07AR-GP/dp/B002LE8BJA/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_b $14.31 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master Computer Case Cooling R4-LUS-07AR-GP 200mm Red LED Case Fan

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id=19&product_id=3038 <----- CM Storm Enforcer w/pics, specs, and professional reviews

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/01/27/msi-geforce-gtx-560-ti-1gb-review/1 <------ MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC Review / Benchmarks

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000116#axzz1EqpvWFEN <---Review on that Asrock motherboard

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P67%20Extreme4 <----- ASRock P67 Extreme4 Motherboard

 

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Your trying to convince him to go AMD? AMD loses every time in benchmarks.... Now bulldozer may change that but its not out yet.
 

AMD's would make a decent paperweight if they came down in price.
 

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Well BD has intergraded AMD graphics right? That will prob be good for HTC or w/e they are called.
 

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Hello,
I waited as long as I could for Bulldozer. My old computer is puttering now.
He obviously was wanting to put together a BD build originally but his current system is starting to die. By going with the AM3+ boards and a moderately priced CPU now, later when BD comes out he could upgrade. AM3+ will be around for awhile so chances are he'll be able to further upgrade in a year or two if he desires. Also the current Intel SB platform is a dead end, Intel is holding onto LGA2011 and planning on releasing it around the same time as AMD release's Bull Dozer, they want BD to be benchmarked against a LGA2011 platform not the current SB one. Any SB platform build now will be incompatible with what comes out next year and he'll be required to build a new box again. Haven't you guys figured out Intel's game yet? They continuously modify their sockets so as to force people to build new whenever they want to upgrade. Building anything Intel ~now~ would be a losers game in the long run.
 

On the flip side of that nobody knows for sure weather these 1155 boards will be able to run the newer Intel chips (22nm) with a bios flash...but rumor has it that they will. Having to change sockets (boards) to upgrade sucks...but look at it like this. The 1156 and 1336 Intel chip sets mop the floor with anything AMD, and those came out how long ago? AMD has been sucking wind ever since the release of the C2D back in 2006. I would rather have a 4 year old build that was still flying high then a newer AMD build that sucked balls. So what we have is... 775, 1336, 1156, and now the 1155 sockets all kicking arse. No chip has broken the 5.0Ghz mark as often as these SB cpu's.

When AMD puts out anything that's worth a crap I'l go back to them, but until then I'm not going to hold my breath. Most of the builds on this board are gaming builds...in fact I would guess 80% of them or more are, and gamers like FPS, and they like something that's going to o/c to the moon and back. These SB's do that.
 

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On Intel fanboy I see, nothing can be said in this argument further. And no I'm not an AMD fan, I'm actually a SUN fan but windows doesn't exactly work on SPARC.

I can tell you with complete and utter certainty, next year when Intel releases a new "flagship" CPU line it will only run on LGA2011. Releasing it on 1156/1336 would be not be in their best interest, they ~want~ you to buy a new mobo, its good for business. Anything built "Intel" right now will require a new kit next year.
 

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I rather have an AMD system that is $500 that will do perfectly well in gaming (games don't use that many cores) than a $1000 Intel system that is overkill
 

I'm going to guess you play flash games eh. I'm a gamer myself (FPS ftw) who likes to play newer games and I would rot in h*ll before I used a $500 build just so I could get bottle necked by my cpu.

It's like this...if your a race car driver who wants a chance at winning...are you going to drive a fast car that has a chance of winning races or a mini van?

Ferrari vs mini van....

AMD is ok for peeps who have a budget of $500 or less otherwise they suck b@lls. The benchmarks don't lie. You go to any site...Toms, Anandtech, Hardware Canucks, Guru3d, etc...and the benchmarks all say the same thing for the last 5+ years...that AMD is not the way to go if you game. Again...I like to game, and I don't like bottlenecks. Gaming is all about Frames Per Second....if anyone tells you different they are lying out their arse or their idiots.
 

I used to have strictly AMD builds prior to 2006. I go with what's best atm. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade...which is no big deal seeing how someone can have a 1156 and/or a 1336 build and still mop the floor with anything AMD atm.
 

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TBH, I have a core i5 2500k...I'm just trying to help ppl who are on a budget
 

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Your real feelings are leaking out. You keep flinging insults when in actuality, on a price basis the SB's are slightly ahead and in no way "mop the floor with" the competition. For gaming its the GPU that'll give him the largest benefit, the CPU used is almost entirely moot. And again, any Intel board he buy's now will stick him next year when Intel relegates 1156/1336 to the "value" segment and push's 2011 as the performance segment. At least an AM3+ platform he is guaranteed to be able to drop in whatever is out next year, it won't be wasted money.

In all honestly now is a horrible time to upgrade / build for anyone. AMD pushed BD back, not surprisingly Intel pushed back 2011 for some "strange" reason. The industry is in a holding pattern while we wait for the two big manufactures to do whatever it is their going to do. If I had to choose one path I'd go with the one I know I can upgrade later. After LGA2011 comes out, then I would suggest new builds look into going with Intel.
 

wtf???

GPU is the largest benefit, and the cpu surely helps. Unless I had a complete lobotomy or was born retarded your going to tell me the cpu doesn't mean jack? You have internet? Do you have GOOGLE SEARCH?

And now is not the time to upgrade? LOL ?

Iv'e heard this "upgrade crap" for the last five years from peeps with a hard on for AMD...wait another 5 years...whatever. Again I'm a gamer, and I like what's best out there for gaming. So that rules out any crap AMD build. Now if I was broke, and on welfare or from a third world country where they only sold AMD cpu's...then ya, AMD would be the thing for me. But seeing how I am not broke, and am not living in a third world country like Sudan for example...then ya, until I get a lobotomy I do believe I will stick with the Intel builds seeing how I have yet to get my brains sucked out by a shop vac recently.

But hey...you post those benchmarks on the BD. I would love to see them. Until then it's only p*ssing in the wind and crossing fingers. I hope BD is a hit myself, and not a complete bust like everything AMD has put out in the last 5 years.

And yes, SB does mop the floor with AMD. It's not even close. Now if you have benchmarks that show otherwise then you will be the first on here to actually post them. They haven't been posted yet and for good reason...they don't exist. AMD is the equivalent to a Dodge mini van with bad tires and in need of a tune up.

I will take the Ferrari thank you. :)

btw I apologize if this post came off as harsh...but Iv'e been dealing with the so called "upgrade path to nowhere" on this site for years now. Upgrade to what I say?
 

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You mad bro?
 

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Yeah he's Intel flamebait now. When we're talking 10% on synthetic benchmarks being toted as "mop the floor with" that's the textbook definition of hyperbole.

And yes the CPU has little actual impact unless you really screw the graphics settings down, then its 120fps vs 90fps. They've proven it several times on this site, a cheap cpu + expensive graphics card crush's the expensive CPU + moderate graphics card.

In the OP's situation, either AMD or Intel will produce the same results / experience in this game. Unless he's the type who likes to put their system specs in their sig and brag about how they got 3 more fps then someone else.
 

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I certainly did not mean to cause a which is better war here. I only wished to convey how I was a little upset at another delay of the bulldozer.Once I get the new computer, I don't upgrage every six months. So you think 1155 is dead? I would like to save money but I thought I got a good deal especially when it's intel. Granted I need to rethink mobo.
 

These AMD vs Intel spats always make for good fun...especially if your the one on the Intel side of the argument. It's like the USA vs East Timor in a game of basketball.

AMD = Average Mediocre Design aka I will wait until the next coming of Christ to have a decent cpu even if Jesus Christ shows up first....as long as there's the "upgrade path".

Here's some benchmarks and reviews worth looking at imo.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288 <----- AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE vs Intel Core i5 2500K benchmarks

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=287 <----- AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE vs Intel Core i7 2600K benchmarks

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-990x-extreme-edition-gulftown,2874.html <----- $1,000 Intel Core i7-990X Extreme vs $330 Intel Core i7 2600K Sandy Bridge

*Sandy Bridge reviews down below

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1501/1/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=622&Itemid=63

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7-2600k-review/
 

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