Can Someone Help me Lower The Price of My Build?

[CalebPam]

I'm wanting to build a PC and I want to go all out so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. The new RTX 2080 cards are coming out and the price is the same as a 1080ti and supposedly the performance is supposed to be better. I'm really wanting the new card and an i7 8700k with an AIO cooler. I quickly put together a build but it's a bit expensive. I'm just curious if someone can help me lower the price (preferably $2200). The build doesn't need to look great but a color match would be cool (black) and full tempered glass for the case would be nice. I am wanting to order all the parts and pre order the GPU sometime this week (some stuff has sales because and back to school and I don't want prices to raise, etc)

I live in Canada so keep that in mind if you're willing to help me. Here's the build I made: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/BigUziHert/saved/#view=fQyWD3

Thanks

 

[panathas]

I have some suggestions.

1) Since you aren't going to overclock your CPU (H370 motherboards don't allow that), you should better get an i7 8700 and save some money 2) Also you can get a cheaper air cooler instead of the expensive water AIO cooler.
3) 750W is too much for this specific build. You should better get a 550-650W PSU and save some money.
4) Getting now the RTX 2080 is a waste of money, and no it doesn't have the same price as the 1080ti. It currently costs too much and its price will likely drop in the future (6 month time-frame). As for its performance we don't know yet but it's rumoured be close to the the 1080ti. So as it stands right now the 1080ti is a much better buy, since its much cheaper right now. If it had a similar price yes I'd consider the newer RXT 2080.

EDIT. You should also consider getting a bigger SSD (500GB). 250GB is considered too small today.

 

[CalebPam]

I have some suggestions.

1) Since you aren't going to overclock your CPU (H370 motherboards don't allow that), you should better get an i7 8700 and save some money 2) Also you can get a cheaper air cooler instead of the expensive water AIO cooler.
3) 750W is too much for this specific build. You should better get a 550-650W PSU and save some money.
4) Getting now the RTX 2080 is a waste of money, and no it doesn't have the same price as the 1080ti. It currently costs too much and its price will likely drop in the future (6 month time-frame). As for its performance we don't know yet but it's rumoured be close to the the 1080ti. So as it stands right now the 1080ti is a much better buy, since its much cheaper right now. If it had a similar price yes I'd consider the newer RXT 2080.

EDIT. You should also consider getting a bigger SSD (500GB). 250GB is considered too small today.

What motherboard should I choose to overclock? I'm new to PC building so I don't know a lot of stuff about which parts support which. The RTX card is only $100 more and it's a new card so in my opinion it should be better. I'm guessing miners will buy the cards and the price will go up. I was going to buy a $500 1080 and the price shot up $300 more before I could buy. I also just want to install windows on my SSD and maybe like 2-3 games that would benefit from having an ssd installed. Is there a cheaper motherboard, case, power supply, ram, and AIO cooler that would help me save extra money?

*EDIT* I guess the 1080ti wouldn't be bad because like you said, we don't know the performance it gives off.

Thanks for the reply

 

[panathas]

All Intel CPUs that have a model number that ends in K are unlocked models and it means that they can be overclocked. However in order to take advantage of that feature you also need a motherboard that can overclock these CPUs. Unfortunately Intel gave that ability only to the motherboards that have a Zxxx chipset. So in you case you have to get a Z370 board or the new Z390 boards (that should come next month). Also those boards are more expensive than those that don't allow overclocking. Additionally anyone who buys a Z motherboard usually gets high speed RAM (3200+), since those boards also allow RAM overclocking. The RAM you have chosen is considered the minimum for those boards and can't be overclocked, unless off course you try to manually overclock it but the results aren't guaranteed. So if you want to take the overclocking route you have to spend more on CPU, RAM, motherboard and cooling. That's why the price is increasing my friend. You can save a lot of money by choosing more mainstream parts and the performance difference isn't that great. Overclocking now-day's isn't what it used to be and also it isn't for everyone. All modern CPU support some kind of turbo boost raising the CPU clock speed when more CPU power is needed. It can be considered automatic overclocking in some way without the negatives of manual overclocking.

You have to decide first whether you want to overclock your system or not and then get the appropriate parts. Alternatively you can build an AMD Ryzen system and save some more money. AMD CPUs are all unlocked models that can be overclocked, they currently offer more cores than Intel CPUs, they are more affordable and their motherboards are also cheaper. Unfortunately they need high speed RAM and that is very expensive at the moment.

Finally you have to keep in mind that new high end computer parts are always expensive especially during the first few months that they are introduced to the market. Later their prices drop and if the market offers more competitive choices the prices can drop even further. Right now Nvidia doesn't really have any competition in the high end market, so its prices are too high, but when AMD will finally release their new competitive GPUs in the beginning of next year, Nvidia will be forced to drop its prices. Investing in a pricey new high end GPU isn't considered the best value for money choice unless of course money isn't important to you and more importantly the new GPU has features that you are going to use right away which isn't currently the case with the new RTX GPUs. If you still want to get an RTX GPU, I suggest waiting until the first official benchmarks are released and then you can make a better decision. Good luck.

 

[madmatt30]

Hugely value orientated ryzen build which I did to match the cheapest i5 build on your list.No frills but at 1080p 60htz would offer huge amounts of longetivity.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($227.18 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($175.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 480GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Mini Video Card ($607.25 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Asus - VP239H-P 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Keyboard: Corsair - K55 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($69.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Mouse: Corsair - Harpoon RGB Wired Optical Mouse ($39.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1727.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-01 02:50 EDT-0400

As a match for your most expensive 8700k build (with no peripherals or monitor) but keeping the spangly rgb aspects (in all honesty unless you're planning 1440p 144htz or 4k gaming you should drop that gpu to a standard 1080 & save $500)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($288.25 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.25 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card ($1079.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($179.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Other: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard ($168.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2184.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-01 03:22 EDT-0400

 

[madmatt30]

Changing to a 1080 gets you a 1440p screen , & rgb keyboard/mouse setup in budget

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($288.25 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.25 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ACX 3.0 Video Card ($640.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($179.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: AOC - Q2778VQE 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($280.99 @ PC-Canada)
Keyboard: Corsair - K55 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($69.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Mouse: Corsair - M65 PRO RGB FPS Wired Optical Mouse ($59.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Other: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard ($168.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2155.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-01 03:29 EDT-0400

 

[vMax]

Here is a Intel build with a GTX 1080ti, 144Hz 1080p Monitor, 16GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM and an Intel 8400 all for $2016.92 Canadian.

Yep, I have made compromises with the 8400 but it is a great gaming CPU and more than holds its own, importantly is cost effective and can later be upgraded to the 9th Gen Intel CPU's that are coming up in October the 9700, 9800 and 9900K!

I have also included a very good Power Supply as I hate compromising on PSU's, so Seasonic all the way. The SSD is not the fastest but it is a 480gb Unit that will be more than quick enough.

Windows 10 Pro can be had for $10 on Amazon or Ebay with no issues, I have bought three in the past and never had an issues, many deals online and Pauls Hardware did an article on how to get Windows 10 Pro cheap...

CPU- Intel i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor $237.99 (PC-Canada)
CPU Cooler - Deepcool - GAMMAXX 300 55.5 CFM $19.99 (Amazon Canada)
Motherboard - Gigabyte - Z370 HD3 (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 $139.99 (Newegg Canada)
Memory - Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 $179.99 (Newegg Canada)
Storage - Kingston - A400 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $89.99 (Mike's computer Shop)
Video Card - EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition $899.99 (Mike's Computer Shop)
Case - Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case $77.00 (Vuugo)
Power Supply - SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified $106.99 (PC-Canada)
Monitor - MSI - Optix G24C 23.6" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor $264.99 (Amazon Canada)
Total: $2016.92

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/93RDQZ

Forgot to add additional HD but $50 will get you a Terrabyte..

 

[ElectrO_90]

And the reason I won't go back to Intel, another new CPU 9th Gen, which luckily works on this generation motherboards (we all hope with BIOS upgrade), but going the AMD route, at least its guaranteed for at least 2 more years.
2080 has not been tested by anyone yet so no one knows if it is faster. It could be in theory the same speed as a 1080 card, unless the Ray Tracing is used then it would be faster.

 

[vMax]

And the reason I won't go back to Intel, another new CPU 9th Gen, which luckily works on this generation motherboards (we all hope with BIOS upgrade), but going the AMD route, at least its guaranteed for at least 2 more years.
2080 has not been tested by anyone yet so no one knows if it is faster. It could be in theory the same speed as a 1080 card, unless the Ray Tracing is used then it would be faster.

The new updated BIOS's have already been released for 9th Gen CPU's on MSI, ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte...also confirmed by said MOBO manufactures. Thankfully, we live in a world of choices...

 

[CalebPam]

Thank you all for your builds really appreciated

I put together a Ryzen build that i think it'll like to buy. I was just curios if the board supported the Ryzen 7 2700x and the cooler had enough room with the ram.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/BigUziHert/saved/#view=MxTMZL

 

[panathas]

Thank you all for your builds really appreciated

I put together a Ryzen build that i think it'll like to buy. I was just curios if the board supported the Ryzen 7 2700x and the cooler had enough room with the ram.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/BigUziHert/saved/#view=MxTMZL

Nice build. However again (lol) I have some suggestions:

1) You can save some money and get the Ryzen 5 2600x. It has almost the same gaming performance as the Ryzen 7 2700x and unless you are using some heavily multi-threaded applications or streaming you won't actually see any performance difference between those 2 CPUs.

2) Ryzen CPUs need fast RAM in order to hit their maximum performance potential, otherwise you are giving up CPU performance on the table. The CPU internally (infinity fabric) depends a lot on the RAM frequency and faster RAM is actually increasing the overall CPU speed. So 2666 DDR4 is considered slow for a Ryzen CPU, you should better get at least 3000 DDR4 RAM and preferably 3200 DDR4.

3) Again a 480-512GB SSD is a much better choice. Trust me, in 3-4 months you'll want a larger SSD. 250GB fills in no time especially if you take over-provisioning into account (10% of the drive's capacity) and the fact that you should leave at least 20% of the SSD's capacity, free, in order not to reduce its overall performance. So in the end you have to think your 250GB drive as an 175GB SSD and that is before formatting it and installing windows on it. Finally modern games need up to 100GB just for installation and you'll end up using the HDD for your gaming needs.

4) Finally you should get a better PSU. The GTX 1080ti is much more power hungry than the RTX 2080 and you'd better get a gold+ 650W PSU, since they are a much better fit for this build. A good PSU has already been mentioned by vMax and it's the SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified. It's not much more expensive than what you have already chosen and it's a much better unit overall.

5) If you get the Ryzen 5 2600x instead, you'll save the money needed for the larger SSD and the faster RAM and you should end up with a much better build overall. Good luck and have fun with it.

 

[CalebPam]

Thank you all for your builds really appreciated

I put together a Ryzen build that i think it'll like to buy. I was just curios if the board supported the Ryzen 7 2700x and the cooler had enough room with the ram.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/BigUziHert/saved/#view=MxTMZL

Nice build. However again (lol) I have some suggestions:

1) You can save some money and get the Ryzen 5 2600x. It has almost the same gaming performance as the Ryzen 7 2700x and unless you are using some heavily multi-threaded applications or streaming you won't actually see any performance difference between those 2 CPUs.

2) Ryzen CPUs need fast RAM in order to hit their maximum performance potential, otherwise you are giving up CPU performance on the table. The CPU internally (infinity fabric) depends a lot on the RAM frequency and faster RAM is actually increasing the overall CPU speed. So 2666 DDR4 is considered slow for a Ryzen CPU, you should better get at least 3000 DDR4 RAM and preferably 3200 DDR4.

3) Again a 480-512GB SSD is a much better choice. Trust me, in 3-4 months you'll want a larger SSD. 250GB fills in no time especially if you take over-provisioning into account (10% of the drive's capacity) and the fact that you should leave at least 20% of the SSD's capacity, free, in order not to reduce its overall performance. So in the end you have to think your 250GB drive as an 175GB SSD and that is before formatting it and installing windows on it. Finally modern games need up to 100GB just for installation and you'll end up using the HDD for your gaming needs.

4) Finally you should get a better PSU. The GTX 1080ti is much more power hungry than the RTX 2080 and you'd better get a gold+ 650W PSU, since they are a much better fit for this build. A good PSU has already been mentioned by vMax and it's the SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified. It's not much more expensive than what you have already chosen and it's a much better unit overall.

5) If you get the Ryzen 5 2600x instead, you'll save the money needed for the larger SSD and the faster RAM and you should end up with a much better build overall. Good luck and have fun with it.

Don't want to bring up an old thread but i forgot to choose a solution, thank you for your help. Build is up and running and it's great!