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I've read virtually every article on Wilhelm and other sites talking about
durability of Inkjet inks and papers but seem to only find results with
Canon ink on Canon paper, Epson Ink on Epson Paper, etc. Never intermixing.

I've personally been using Epson papers in my Canon i960 (they were buy
one/get one free) and the quality is supurb. But is there any data on print
longevity with such combinations? What about Kodak papers that claim 100
years.

Realistically, what I'm simply looking for is my best option for prints that
I give to friends and family. For my own personal uses, I could care less
if they fade in 5 years or 100 years, I'll be re-printing them soon enough
anyway.

Anyone know of actual tests with Canon (BCI-6 inks in particular) with other
brands of paper?

Thanks
 
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Jason Hillary wrote:

> I've read virtually every article on Wilhelm and other sites talking about
> durability of Inkjet inks and papers but seem to only find results with
> Canon ink on Canon paper, Epson Ink on Epson Paper, etc. Never intermixing.
>
> I've personally been using Epson papers in my Canon i960 (they were buy
> one/get one free) and the quality is supurb. But is there any data on print
> longevity with such combinations? What about Kodak papers that claim 100
> years.
>
> Realistically, what I'm simply looking for is my best option for prints that
> I give to friends and family. For my own personal uses, I could care less
> if they fade in 5 years or 100 years, I'll be re-printing them soon enough
> anyway.
>
> Anyone know of actual tests with Canon (BCI-6 inks in particular) with other
> brands of paper?

I've tried and failed to find that sort of info.

Canon only claim 25 years for prints with their ink on their Photo Paper Pro.
That will have to do.

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Ben Thomas
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relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.
 
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Have a look at this, it may help...

DD

Jason Hillary wrote:
> I've read virtually every article on Wilhelm and other sites talking about
> durability of Inkjet inks and papers but seem to only find results with
> Canon ink on Canon paper, Epson Ink on Epson Paper, etc. Never intermixing.
>
> I've personally been using Epson papers in my Canon i960 (they were buy
> one/get one free) and the quality is supurb. But is there any data on print
> longevity with such combinations? What about Kodak papers that claim 100
> years.
>
> Realistically, what I'm simply looking for is my best option for prints that
> I give to friends and family. For my own personal uses, I could care less
> if they fade in 5 years or 100 years, I'll be re-printing them soon enough
> anyway.
>
> Anyone know of actual tests with Canon (BCI-6 inks in particular) with other
> brands of paper?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
 
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BenOne© wrote:
> Jason Hillary wrote:
>
>> I've read virtually every article on Wilhelm and other sites talking
>> about durability of Inkjet inks and papers but seem to only find
>> results with Canon ink on Canon paper, Epson Ink on Epson Paper, etc.
>> Never intermixing.
>>
>> I've personally been using Epson papers in my Canon i960 (they were
>> buy one/get one free) and the quality is supurb. But is there any
>> data on print longevity with such combinations? What about Kodak
>> papers that claim 100 years.
>>
>> Realistically, what I'm simply looking for is my best option for
>> prints that I give to friends and family. For my own personal uses, I
>> could care less if they fade in 5 years or 100 years, I'll be
>> re-printing them soon enough anyway.
>>
>> Anyone know of actual tests with Canon (BCI-6 inks in particular) with
>> other brands of paper?
>
>
> I've tried and failed to find that sort of info.
>
> Canon only claim 25 years for prints with their ink on their Photo Paper
> Pro.
> That will have to do.

Try this link:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2h.htm

Ray
 
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DD wrote:

> Have a look at this, it may help...
>
> DD


Did you forget to paste in a URL?

--
Ben Thomas
Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.
 
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"Jason Hillary" <palebluedot@_SPAM_email.com> wrote in message
news:YgeWc.5193$%e7.5116@fe01.usenetserver.com...
> I've read virtually every article on Wilhelm and other sites talking about
> durability of Inkjet inks and papers but seem to only find results with
> Canon ink on Canon paper, Epson Ink on Epson Paper, etc. Never
intermixing.
>
> I've personally been using Epson papers in my Canon i960 (they were buy
> one/get one free) and the quality is supurb. But is there any data on
print
> longevity with such combinations? What about Kodak papers that claim 100
> years.
>
> Realistically, what I'm simply looking for is my best option for prints
that
> I give to friends and family. For my own personal uses, I could care less
> if they fade in 5 years or 100 years, I'll be re-printing them soon enough
> anyway.
>
> Anyone know of actual tests with Canon (BCI-6 inks in particular) with
other
> brands of paper?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

I suspect this might start a firestorm from the "you can only use Canon
paper with a Canon printer" folks but..... since I have been selling
printing my entire adult life I feel qualitfied to say that paper is paper.
A 100# gloss photo paper in a Canon package is likely the same composition
as a 100# gloss photo paper in an Epson package or for the matter a
Paperworks carton. The finish is no different and should produce the same
results.

To me, paper is just like Ibuprophen. You can pay a premium for Advil or
you can go to the local CVS and buy CVS brand Ibuprophen. It is the same
stuff.

Personally, I have used whatever paper is the least expensive that does the
job. I have found no difference in the quality of the paper or the way the
printer prints.

That said...........let the firestorm begin.
 
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"B.B. from N.B." <bburacze@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<OVMXc.79260$mD.16374@attbi_s02>...

> I suspect this might start a firestorm from the "you can only use Canon
> paper with a Canon printer" folks but..... since I have been selling
> printing my entire adult life I feel qualitfied to say that paper is paper.
> A 100# gloss photo paper in a Canon package is likely the same composition
> as a 100# gloss photo paper in an Epson package or for the matter a
> Paperworks carton. The finish is no different and should produce the same
> results.
>
> To me, paper is just like Ibuprophen. You can pay a premium for Advil or
> you can go to the local CVS and buy CVS brand Ibuprophen. It is the same
> stuff.
>
> Personally, I have used whatever paper is the least expensive that does the
> job. I have found no difference in the quality of the paper or the way the
> printer prints.

Not much of a firestorm I think, everybody can print their own prints
however they want, making their own choices. I'd only care if you were
a vendor who was selling me an artsy print for big bucks (my bucks).

It has been shown repeatedly and very very dramatically that changing just
paper can and does make gross changes to the fade characteristics of
the resulting print. Also the mechanism by which a paper prints (it's not
"the paper" for photo prints, but more the surface treatments that you can't
see by eye) that make a difference (e.g. some paper tends to puddle using Canon
printers because Canon printers lay down a lot of ink very very quickly and
some micro-surface types can't handle it).

So if your choice makes you happy, go for it! I have no interest in
changing what you think. If you're happy, then you're already in print heaven.
But I know papers are different and I'll make my choice differently because
those issues concern me. But that's only for me .

Mike
 
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: I suspect this might start a firestorm from the "you can only use Canon
: paper with a Canon printer" folks but..... since I have been selling
: printing my entire adult life I feel qualitfied to say that paper is
paper.
: A 100# gloss photo paper in a Canon package is likely the same composition
: as a 100# gloss photo paper in an Epson package or for the matter a
: Paperworks carton. The finish is no different and should produce the same
: results.
:
: Personally, I have used whatever paper is the least expensive that does
the
: job. I have found no difference in the quality of the paper or the way the
: printer prints.
:
: That said...........let the firestorm begin.
:
:

Are you suggesting that the most important element is the weight of the
paper?

Or the finish ?

or the brightness?
 
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