Question Case fans?

[Mr Helix]

Hi, i'll be upgrading my pc soon (3070 and new 700-750 be quiet psu) and thought i should get it some proper air cooling cause my case gets too hot when im playing games, the specs temps are fine though. was thinking of getting simple cheap stock case fans and placing them in right spots in proper positions and i need your help guys.
my current specs are:
i5-10400f - 40 deg. idle and load to 70deg, i'm using This cooler

asus dual 1060 3gb - idle temp (48-50) and load in some games can reach 81-82 (this actually worries me but im switching it out soon so)
16 ram and 500 watt psu for now (DN500)
and my current Case is VENTO case that came with 3 front fans and has a 3 open spots for additional fans, 2 on top and one more behind you can see on pic.

So i have questions,

1) What will be the best air cooling configuration?
Should i make all three fans exhaust? Or should i make 2 fans on top intake and 1 exhaust out the back?

2) And there's also a spot for 2 more below the gpu and above the psu, so..
Should i put fans there too or not? and if yes they should exhaust upwards towards the gpu right? but won't it harm the gpu? cause its hot air coming from psu..? kinda?

3) Do you recommend switching the current air cooler to an AIO?
i'm honestly not positive if i'll have enough money for this one, but do you recommend getting a 2 fan water cooling for the cpu on top instead of basic case fans? like Deepcool LE500 maybe?
Thanks in advance!

 

[Lutfij]

thought i should get it some proper air cooling cause my case gets too hot when im playing games
Take the front panel off the case and see if the temps improve. If they do improve then you need to replace the case, not the cooler.

500 watt psu for now (DN500)
You should replace that PSU when you go out to buy that RTX3070.

You might want to pass the model for your case? Vento is the brand of the case, per my search.

 

[Mr Helix]

thought i should get it some proper air cooling cause my case gets too hot when im playing games
Take the front panel off the case and see if the temps improve. If they do improve then you need to replace the case, not the cooler.

500 watt psu for now (DN500)
You should replace that PSU when you go out to buy that RTX3070.

You might want to pass the model for your case? Vento is the brand of the case, per my search.

Yes yes i will replace the psu and the gpu once i get all the parts i need, my gpu did arrive, waiting for psu.

my case model is VG04FE? that's all i could find, ill search some more

 

[Phaaze88]

https://ventocase.com/en/product/vg04fe/

Round frame, LED, preinstalled case fans are usually weak, but certainly doable. The problem is that the case manufacturer slapped a solid panel in front of them. They're getting choked harder than, for example, fans intended for AIO radiators. Those 3 fans would be more effective at the top and rear locations as exhausts.

A different, more airflow friendly case is probably the way to go, regardless.

 

[Mr Helix]

https://ventocase.com/en/product/vg04fe/

Round frame, LED, preinstalled case fans are usually weak, but certainly doable. The problem is that the case manufacturer slapped a solid panel in front of them. They're getting choked harder than, for example, fans intended for AIO radiators. Those 3 fans would be more effective at the top and rear locations as exhausts.

A different, more airflow friendly case is probably the way to go, regardless.

It has mesh/net with gaps on sides and a front gap beneath it all as well, isn't that fine? i honestly don't feel like changing the whole case, i like it the way it is,
and i'm only thinking of the additional fans placements

 

[bill001g]

The simple test that will show the small front gaps are restricting your air flow is to run a benchmark to cause load on your system and get the various temperature readings. Then remove the glass panel from the front and run it again.

I don't know if there are any of the benchmark sites that have done your case but other cases that put glass or metal panels in front of the fans greatly reduced the air flow. I would assume your case has the same issue.

I guess you could put a couple more fans in the top as exhaust and that would draw air in from the back and whatever other gaps it can find. In effect you are treating the front of the case as decorations and using the top and back for your actual cooling.

You have to avoid buying cases based on appearance. Glass panels anywhere on a case are only useful so you can see your leds they block as much air as a solid metal panel and they act as insulators keeping the heat in. The best option when you are looking for performance is mesh panels that allow for maximum air flow.

 

[Mr Helix]

The simple test that will show the small front gaps are restricting your air flow is to run a benchmark to cause load on your system and get the various temperature readings. Then remove the glass panel from the front and run it again.

I don't know if there are any of the benchmark sites that have done your case but other cases that put glass or metal panels in front of the fans greatly reduced the air flow. I would assume your case has the same issue.

I guess you could put a couple more fans in the top as exhaust and that would draw air in from the back and whatever other gaps it can find. In effect you are treating the front of the case as decorations and using the top and back for your actual cooling.

You have to avoid buying cases based on appearance. Glass panels anywhere on a case are only useful so you can see your leds they block as much air as a solid metal panel and they act as insulators keeping the heat in. The best option when you are looking for performance is mesh panels that allow for maximum air flow.

I Bought this case when i was doing a budget build and it served me well and its pretty good, another reason i bought it cause it came with preinstalled fans during that time it was really cheap too and seemed like a steal, i didnt have much cash for separate fans at the time ig, so i bought it cause it was pretty, cheap and with fans, and seemed like i was all set to go, plus it's back side is very wide for cable management to be done easier so it's pretty good id say.

also what about a one more fan on the back? should it be exhaust as well? or intake?

 

[punkncat]

If you wish to stick with the case...

IMO, would probably try to find at least one more similar RGB fan to place at the back of the case. The temps you mention for the CPU now aren't bad. 70C is well within acceptable for that 10th gen CPU.
In my own experience, the 3070 isn't a terribly hot running card on its own.

My thoughts would be to install the rear fan and see where temps fall (as exhaust). If the case temps aren't in the range you desire would probably start adding fans such as some black Arctic in the top spots also as exhaust.

The front facing fans in this rig are there more for visuals rather than strong cooling due to the case design. Just the same, the back I/O plates can also pull air in, assuming that adding more fans as exhaust will likely make the case negative pressure inside.

If, at the end of all that, you cannot get temps where you want them, then you may start opting towards something with better air flow.

 

[Phaaze88]

It has mesh/net with gaps on sides and a front gap beneath it all as well, isn't that fine?

Negative. The case design has them too close to the solid panel.
Fans naturally draw air in a cone - this forced sideways movement is a nerf.
The greater the obstacle(s) present, the harder the fan(s) have to work to do their job, and I already mentioned that the preinstalled fans would be more effective as top and rear exhausts. Their job would be much easier for them there.

i honestly don't feel like changing the whole case, i like it the way it is,
and i'm only thinking of the additional fans placements

Well, that's fine. You may be able to work with what you have.
Negative pressure(exhaust is stronger than intake) is the only method that works in these closed up front panel cases.
Move the 3 preinstalled fans to where I suggested earlier, then buy 3 fans intended for radiators to go to the front.
OR, buy 6 fans intended for rads, install 3 at the top and rear, and replace the 3 preinstalled fans at the front.

 

[Mr Helix]

If you wish to stick with the case...

IMO, would probably try to find at least one more similar RGB fan to place at the back of the case. The temps you mention for the CPU now aren't bad. 70C is well within acceptable for that 10th gen CPU.
In my own experience, the 3070 isn't a terribly hot running card on its own.

My thoughts would be to install the rear fan and see where temps fall (as exhaust). If the case temps aren't in the range you desire would probably start adding fans such as some black Arctic in the top spots also as exhaust.

The front facing fans in this rig are there more for visuals rather than strong cooling due to the case design. Just the same, the back I/O plates can also pull air in, assuming that adding more fans as exhaust will likely make the case negative pressure inside.

If, at the end of all that, you cannot get temps where you want them, then you may start opting towards something with better air flow.

Negative. The case design has them too close to the solid panel.
Fans naturally draw air in a cone - this forced sideways movement is a nerf.
The greater the obstacle(s) present, the harder the fan(s) have to work to do their job, and I already mentioned that the preinstalled fans would be more effective as top and rear exhausts. Their job would be much easier for them there.


Well, that's fine. You may be able to work with what you have.
Negative pressure(exhaust is stronger than intake) is the only method that works in these closed up front panel cases.
Move the 3 preinstalled fans to where I suggested earlier, then buy 3 fans intended for radiators to go to the front.
OR, buy 6 fans intended for rads, install 3 at the top and rear, and replace the 3 preinstalled fans at the front.

Thanks for your replies and inputs guys!
If you don't mind , could you help me pick out a case 150 max price If I may afford 150 is max.

 

[Phaaze88]

Thanks for your replies and inputs guys!
If you don't mind , could you help me pick out a case 150 max price If I may afford 150 is max.

I prefer if the OP(you) picks a few they like, then I go from there.
Cases are a personal choice, so whether you are gonna like it should take priority. Hopefully there's some more airflow friendly models that catch your interest.

 

[bill001g]

There are a bunch of popular cases in that price range that perform very well.

If you want one of the cheapest good cases is a lian li 216 is a case large enough to take big radiators and a 4090. It sells for $100 for the one without rgb fans.

 

[Mr Helix]

I prefer if the OP(you) picks a few they like, then I go from there.
Cases are a personal choice, so whether you are gonna like it should take priority. Hopefully there's some more airflow friendly models that catch your interest.

There are a bunch of popular cases in that price range that perform very well.

If you want one of the cheapest good cases is a lian li 216 is a case large enough to take big radiators and a 4090. It sells for $100 for the one without rgb fans.

Sorry! My Link didnt send -_-
From this website ?

ქეისები

pcroom.ge

Edit: what about this case? https://pcroom.ge/ქეისი_Msi_Mag_Forge_110R_1x120_Fan_ARGB?filter=2399&price_filter=1:1240

 

[Phaaze88]

Sorry! My Link didnt send -_-
From this website ?

ქეისები

pcroom.ge

Edit: what about this case? https://pcroom.ge/ქეისი_Msi_Mag_Forge_110R_1x120_Fan_ARGB?filter=2399&price_filter=1:1240

That case is ok, though I do like this one:

ქეისი - 1ST Player XF Black - 4x120 Fan RGB

ქეისი - 1ST Player XF Black

pcroom.ge

 

[Mr Helix]

That case is ok, though I do like this one:

ქეისი - 1ST Player XF Black - 4x120 Fan RGB

ქეისი - 1ST Player XF Black

pcroom.ge

Yeah this one seems fine, but im still leaning towards keeping my current case, what about the AIO? should i get water cooling cpu mounted on top instead?

Edit: nvm, my case supports only 120 mm sized fans and there are no 120 mm size water coolings xD

 

[bill001g]

They do make water cool with 120 radiators but in many cases a good air cooler will exceed them. Many of the more recent air coolers can approach the cooling of a 240 radiator. I would not even consider water cooler until you are looking at very high end cpus.

 

[Phaaze88]

Yeah this one seems fine, but im still leaning towards keeping my current case, what about the AIO? should i get water cooling cpu mounted on top instead?

Edit: nvm, my case supports only 120 mm sized fans and there are no 120 mm size water coolings xD

An AIO is not a necessity. They have their share of pros and cons, just like air coolers do.
-The fans on dual and triple fan models serve as both cpu and case cooling. Most air coolers fill one role(there are some exceptions). For cases that have no preinstalled fans, or just come with a couple, this is nice.
-They offer a 'brute force' method of cooling, due to the higher fluid volume in them compared to air coolers.
-They have greater ram compatibility.
-Inevitably, the pump fails, or the loop will clog, rendering the unit inoperable(and e-waste). You ARE expected to buy a new one(how long that takes varies). You can use an air cooler until you get bored of it, pass it to someone else, or it happens to not be compatible with a new case you're buying.
-An AIO has a tradeoff regardless of where it's placed. An air cooler doesn't, because their position is fixed - although, when comparing the different types(downdraft and tower), there are tradeoffs.

At the end of all that, an AIO is a type of air cooler; they still need air to function, and you can choke them of that. The higher fluid volume in them can only go so far.
So regardless of which kind of cooler you go with, have decent case airflow.



Don't even LOOK in the direction of 120mm AIO, unless you're considering ITX cases, where a decent tower air cooler wouldn't fit.
They have too many shortcomings otherwise.