Centrefire/Rimfire??

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Hi NG...
I ve got a novice question: What are the differences between rimfire and
centrefire?? Thanks for your help....
R.A.
 
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Hello RA,
The centre fire has a visible primer in the middle of the base, the firing
pin strikes the primer in the centre as it does with a standard shotgun
cartridge. The rimfire on the other hand has the primer built into the case
and thus the base is flat, the firing pin strikes the rim or edge of the
base of the case. Rimfire is usually only seen on the smaller calibre of
rifle and shotgun the .22 rifle and shotgun and the "Flobert" No 3 "garden
gun" which was mainly used for ratting in and around the farmyard and garden
using lead shot filled cartridges are probably the only ones you're likely
to come across now using rimfire.
Hope this helps
Regards
Dave

"R A" <rabee.abulhuda@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hi NG...
> I ve got a novice question: What are the differences between rimfire and
> centrefire?? Thanks for your help....
> R.A.
>
>
 
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I think I'm right in adding that rimfire fire rounds at less velocity as the
primer is burnt from one edge to the other, making the ignition of the
propellant slower. The centrefire rounds get ignited from the centre,
allowing the propellant to burn much faster, creating a bigger "bang". Burn
a piece of paper from the edge and another from the middle. I presume
chemistry and physics show that thy'll produce the same energy, but the one
burnt from the centre will create a larger flame and go out quicker, whereas
the one burnt from the edge will have smaller flame and burn for longer.
That's the way I perceive and understand it, and to me is the fundamental
difference. Beyond that, 'a la manuel': I know nothing.
HTH,
Ross. 🙂

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> Hello RA,
> The centre fire has a visible primer in the middle of the base, the
> firing pin strikes the primer in the centre as it does with a
> standard shotgun cartridge. The rimfire on the other hand has the
> primer built into the case and thus the base is flat, the firing pin
> strikes the rim or edge of the base of the case. Rimfire is usually
> only seen on the smaller calibre of rifle and shotgun the .22 rifle
> and shotgun and the "Flobert" No 3 "garden gun" which was mainly used
> for ratting in and around the farmyard and garden using lead shot
> filled cartridges are probably the only ones you're likely to come
> across now using rimfire.
> Hope this helps
> Regards
> Dave
>
> "R A" <rabee.abulhuda@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:4ytWc.2789$G61.2434@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
>> Hi NG...
>> I ve got a novice question: What are the differences between rimfire
>> and centrefire?? Thanks for your help....
>> R.A.

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Thanks a lot for the useful explanations.....
Cheers NG...
R.A.

"Dave" <deecee@theflykwacs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hello RA,
> The centre fire has a visible primer in the middle of the base, the firing
> pin strikes the primer in the centre as it does with a standard shotgun
> cartridge. The rimfire on the other hand has the primer built into the
case
> and thus the base is flat, the firing pin strikes the rim or edge of the
> base of the case. Rimfire is usually only seen on the smaller calibre of
> rifle and shotgun the .22 rifle and shotgun and the "Flobert" No 3 "garden
> gun" which was mainly used for ratting in and around the farmyard and
garden
> using lead shot filled cartridges are probably the only ones you're likely
> to come across now using rimfire.
> Hope this helps
> Regards
> Dave
>
> "R A" <rabee.abulhuda@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:4ytWc.2789$G61.2434@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> > Hi NG...
> > I ve got a novice question: What are the differences between rimfire and
> > centrefire?? Thanks for your help....
> > R.A.
> >
> >
>
>
 
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:56:30 +0000 (UTC), "Filth"
<rossnoades@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On that last
>note, I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS inform the local police that I'm to be shooting
>and how long for, who with and of course a contact phone number. I then let
>them know when I'm done.
>

I never do, but then I'm in Cumbria. I can assure you if I were to
ring our local plod every time I was out shooting, they would soon
tell me to piss off and stop bothering them!

>
>For those of you that don't know, I'm a police officer for the met police,
>and I've seen some rather "interesting" circumstances involving legitimate
>shooters and a couple of cars of armed police. Lots of watsed resources,
>usually involving 90% of available officers, the helicopter and of course
>the dogs and firearms officers. All because someone was too thoughtless to
>make a phonecall. While not thinking about the resources in all honesty, I
>just don't want to get shot in an "unfortunate accident" as a police
>spokesman would put it...
>

Quite. An unfortunate side effect of the hysteria surrounding
firearms use in Blighty.


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>, I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS inform the local police that I'm to be shooting

I used to shoot a piece of land that was gifted to the council but with the
proviso that I retained my shooting permission for life, the council then
leased it to a wildlife trust who did everything possible to get me off,
including calling the police every time I fired a shot. I showed the police my
written permission, who questioned whether it was still valid as the land had
changed hands, I told them to consult a solicitor. They then asked me to inform
them whenever I was shooting and to inform the trust also, which I did but they
still called the police, who in turn still turned up whenever a shot was fired
and checked my identity and licence. The trust then put loads of horses on the
land which made it unsafe to shoot safely, so I now don't shoot it but as soon
as the horses go, I'll be back, as it is now overrun with rabbits.
 
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"Filth" <rossnoades@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I can shoot whilst listening to music. I would
> like electronic ones though, so I can hear in the unlikely event that
> a trespasser creeps up on me. (This includes the police firearms
> officers, who probably wouldn't be impressed if I ket shooting whilst
> they were 10ft away asking me to cease!)

On one hand one would expect any person to make sure that the shooter
knows they are in the vicinity but as everyone knows all too well,
people don’t think and they don’t stick to footpaths. Over the years, I
can not recall a close shave whilst I’ve been target shooting. The
likely reason being that I always set-up my ranges in ideal locations,
where I have a good view of the surroundings and a very safe back stop
which also has a good surround view. One of my newest ranges is 500yds;
the firing position is on high ground, over looking 400yds of open
valley. The target zone is located on open and soft rising ground.
My ammunition testing range has a steep rising back stop of soft earth;
the firing point is just 50yds back. It’s located in small woodland,
which reduces the muzzle report of the rifle, a necessity due to it
being my test range and a lot of ammunition will be shot during a test.
I then have several 100 & 200 yd ranges which do not really lend
themselves to prolonged firing due to the muzzle report from CF rifles.
So in practice my ranges differ depending upon the reason I’m shooting.




>On that last note, I ALWAYS
> ALWAYS ALWAYS inform the local police that I'm to be shooting and how
> long for, who with and of course a contact phone number. I then let
> them know when I'm done.

I can understand your reasons why but IMO it’s no concern of the police
when or where I shoot, as long as I’m shooting legally. On many
occasions I’ve had the police helicopter hover over my firing position,
I think they pilots have gotten to know my car, sometime they hang
around as if they are checking my scores out, then they fly off into the
sunset (bless them!).
For me to contact the police every time I went shooting would be a
serious drain on their resources, I might go shooting 8 times a week
give time. I might wake early and go stalking before work (bummer when I
shoot a deer), I could be on one of any number of farms in any number of
districts in a circumference of 100 miles of my home, crossing multiple
force areas. I guess you get the picture :)

John
 
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> The trust then
> put loads of horses on the land which made it unsafe to shoot safely,
> so I now don't shoot it but as soon as the horses go, I'll be back,
> as it is now overrun with rabbits.

Call the RSPCA. Any field which is overrun with rabbits will have lots of
warrens. As most people know these same warrens causing many injuries each
year to horses and other livestock when their legs fall down them, sometimes
with permanent crippling injuries meaning they'll have to be put down. The
trust will then of course be forced to either exterminate the rabbits or the
horses. At least it may cause them some grief!
It's a shame that people have to be so pathetically single minded, but at
least you're a permanent thorn in their side 🙂
What you must remember also is that you have a vested interested in the
land, so any attempts to alter the permitted use of the land can be
contested by you. If you lose with the council, you should be awarded
compensation for your losses.
Hang in there...

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CORRECTION:
> The trust will then of course be forced
> to either exterminate the rabbits or the horses.

I hope you realise I didn't mean exterminate the horses. They may be forved
to *MOVE* the horses!!!!

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:41:14 +0000 (UTC), "Filth"
<rossnoades@hotmail.com> wrote:

>CORRECTION:
>> The trust will then of course be forced
>> to either exterminate the rabbits or the horses.
>
>I hope you realise I didn't mean exterminate the horses. They may be forved
>to *MOVE* the horses!!!!

Ah, but....
If the horses were to break their legs in rabbit holes, then they
might need exterminating.

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Mark

http://www.gunculture.net

"the subjects... may have arms for their defence"
English Bill of Rights