Cheap Steam In-Home Streaming Client (Not SteamLink)

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I'm looking to build/buy something for a cheap Steam Streaming client. I'd like something close to the same price range of SteamLink if that exists, and similar (presumably slightly bigger) form-factor.

Right now I'm just using my girlfriends laptop, but I'd like to find something more permanent, and (hopefully) cheap.

The reason I didn't want to go with SteamLink is because of the terrible reviews it's getting on its WiFi connectivity, and running ethernet is not an option for me (I don't think it should be necessary either)

I've considered buying a cheap used laptop or desktop just for streaming, but I'd really like to stick with something I could just tuck behind the TV on the wall of our bedroom, while still being able to use my wireless 360 controller.

Does anyone on here have something similar to this, or any suggestions for something that would accomplish this?

Thanks,

Patrick
 


I've thought about these as well, but I've read mixed reviews on how well they accept a 1080p 60pfs stream.

Do you have any experience with something similar to these boxes for streaming to?
 
Technically I believe the answer is no - I don't believe you can create a 3rd party steamlink-clone.
"Steamlink" vs "steamboxes"
Afaik Steamlink is not the same as the SteamBoxes - the steamboxes essentially run a more or less a standard linux desktop with steam starting into bigpicture mode, ther ear quite a lot of pre-built ones on the market soon, and you can download that OS yourself and install it on anything you like.

Steamlink is a much more stripped down version of that, more an appliance than a normal distro, which is only able to run on THAT hardware.

Point is, if you buy a steamlink you buy something slightly different than when you build/buy any SteamBox steamos - namely you buy reliability (iOS on iPhone vs Android on any thing) and performance relative to price.

Building vs not
I don't know what one could buy that would run steamOS and would then perform the same as a steamlink, for the same price - I'd be interested in knowing too, though - if I concider price/perfomance for a rapsberry pi I'd be kinda amazed.. might be totally wrong though.

@anyone: Can you buy hardware for that little money that could just run windows + steam and just be done with it that way?

In the end, there is a linux system in your house
Another implication of SteamOS (especially when building that system yourself) is that you are then running a (however tiny) linux machine - there are good steamos first-timer guides out there, but in the end you have to be willing to dive into the linux stuff at some point at least a bit.

And, just from my personal perspective: I am a sysadmin for all kinds of linux servers, whole lot of them, for more than 10 years now. I have an Intel NUC for XBMC and SteamBigPicture running kodibuntu, I believe.
It normally works perfectly fine, as seen in the movies.
But it took some bartering to get the OS on there in the first place, and then every couple of months something linux-y goes wrong, and I have to do something to fix it.

Consoles exist for a reason
I can do whatever to fix it, and maybe you can just as well, but my point about this is that this really pisses you off with about the second time this happens to you on friday night when you sit down to "just play something" and then you have to go into a half hour+ long debugging session until you can watch a movie/play a game.

With the steamlink you buy a console - it glitches out and you reboot, if there is a bug they can fix it nad everyon e else experiences the same bug, so they ostensibly will.
With building it yourself you ostensibly just build a full linux system that just runs steam in a streamlined way which you have to maintain same as your laptop/pc.

Shitty Wifi vs Shitty Wifi-reviewers?
The steamlink has 802.11ac spec wifi, and that is because the data rates required for streaming games with them still looking good are rather large.

The very few steamlink reviews I've read did never include a good description of what the wifi situation was, and if issues where mentioned I didn't see any testing "can my wifi even do the required throughput, for here to there".

So, it might be that the steamlink actually ships with a shitty wifi chip, or batches with shitty chips, then more or less everyone/large cluster of people would have that issue.
Or it could be that the reviews you read where badly done, and left it at "well when I connected via wifi it looked worse than when wired, so steamlink wifi bad" - the only thing that that would reliably tell you is that the reviewer did not do his job properly and/or doesn't understand wifi enough to be able to write a good review on that specific part.

Solution?
Go back and check the reviews, I'd say, check if they give actual numbers, or just a throwaway "wifi doesnt work well".
My hones guess would be that (unless the chips are essentially broken as described above, or you have some magical laptop) there should not be a difference in any way to your laptop.
Fun thing is you can actually test that out - go to a gamestop, buy a steamlink, try it out, bring it back if it doesn't work as desired.

You could also try out power line adapters to simply create a wired connection to your steamlink, if it's wifi chip actually is the problem - depending on how keen you are on having to learn linux to some small-is extent down the line and deal with the occasional friday night kernel panic (exaggerating, but still), it might still be very worth it to you to spend a little more on being able to use the steamlink instead of building yourself.

Disclaimer
I tend to write long and rambly. I tend to over-explain. Please don't feel "explained at", if you don't care/already knew, maybe someone else does/didn't - I tend to end up writing for them as well.. 😉
 


If you are fine with spending that "much" more money than for a steamlink and doing it the unfancy way (do not approve..), then look at essentially any of these - since the only thing that thing has to do is decode video, once you buy any current- or previous-gen ZOTAC/NUC/MISwhaterver/AsusBox described in that way you should be fine.

Look for integrated graphics Intel iris 4000 (or newer) and you are golden, others can discuss if a celeron could do it or an i3 should be used if windows is involved, I have no clue.
Then we are talking 180-300€ though, depending on what specifically you pick, not the sub 100 for steamlink.

Make sure the integrated wifi is at least 802.AC standard or higher, and that that machine did not get reviewed badly for specifically it's wifi chip (or buy a good wifistick), but beyond that pick whatever.
I like the NUCs, the ZBOXes can be a little hit and miss, MIS always looked really tempting but always a little too expensive - if you where to ask me, buy a NUC, those things are really nice.
 



Thanks, that's a very informative write up you did there (I'm guessing you dabble in hardware/software reviewing from time to time, lol). Unfortunately, it doesn't exactly help my situation, although I do see what you're getting at, and I think there are probably a lot of people that could gain some useful knowledge from what you wrote.

I have no use for a SteamBox (ie. Overpriced or underpowered PC parts pretending to be a console), what I'm interested in is cloning a SteamLink (Either Linux-based with SteamOS, or Windows based, running Steam), but due to the small form-factor I'm hoping for, something low-powered would be needed, and I think a machine running SteamOS would be the best bet in that regard (Although, I could be wrong).

As far as the reviews I've read on SteamLink's WiFi woes; they all seem to be beating the same drum: Good performance over ethernet, bad wireless performance at even modest range. THIS review in particular goes into some detail on the testing they did with the unit.

Maybe they can fix it with firmware updates, and I really hope they do, because the price can't be beat.

The Raspberry Pi thing would be interesting, but I'm not sure if it's possible to run any form of Steam on a Pi, and any of the Android based Streaming services I've tried are much lower quality than Steam In-Home Streaming. (Although, I did have a bit of fun playing Star Citizen on my cell phone!)

In the end, I may just end up hiding an old laptop somewhere in my bedroom, and connecting it with an HDMI cable as a streaming client. That is, until the SteamLink's are out, and I can get a better variety of reviews (actual user reviews in particular). I hope SteamLink doesn't end up needing to be connected via ethernet to get proper performance out of it, because that really defeats the whole purpose, in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the tips so far, I'm still interested in hearing some more opinions!
 
I jest read the article, and I kinda feel rectified in badmouthing the then-theoretical reviewers before heaving read this review, to be perfectly honest.
In case you were thinking of going down the wired route, know that your PC and the Steam Link need to be connected to the same router/cable modem. In our current setup, we have our desktop hooked up to our router, which is then hooked up to our cable modem. When we tried plugging the Steam Link into the cable modem directly, it couldn’t detect our desktop on the network. This problem was remedied when we plugged the Steam Link directly into our router, however.
THAT level of not understanding how routing/netwoking works when you review that kind of stuff for money is NOT okay. "When I fill up a gas can my car still shows no gas in the tank" is what that block of text boils down to.. oh dear :) But besides the actual point.

They had some delay measurements in there, true, but they where still not able to interpret/debug/explain theri results in any meaningfui way, beyond "well, seems like it's too far from the wifi router" and then essentially going "pffffftttt" when moving it closer didn't help.

They did not test it against anything else, they tested with one wifi router, so maybe it's the routers fault, and they didn't test with both wifi routers and "a laptop" for example, just to cross check.

They did not review the product, they reviewed their experience, and put some numbers in there so.. it looks technical, I guess?

To be fair, that's all I'd ever expect from a customer so in that regards that review is representative of what a consumer would possibly experience & do.

All of what they describe could be influenced by firmware though, so if the steamlink is actually at fault and valve did not screw up completely with the hardware, I'd still have hope if I where in your shoes 😉

Also thank you for the kind words, but no, I do not professionally review stuff, otherwise I think I would feel not only a bit bad but also slimy for calling out potential, even theoretical "rivals" as "bad reviewers". 😉
 


I'm confused as to what you mean by the "unfancy way"