News China’s Hygon and Sugon merge to form a vertically integrated supercomputing giant as they fend off US sanctions

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A highly impactful vertically integrated supercomputing giant may have just been born in China.

China’s Hygon and Sugon merge to form a vertically integrated supercomputing giant as they fend off US sanctions : Read more

 

[atomicWAR]

Nice AMD!! It was such a great idea to license out x86 to Hygon. AMD you are to blame for setting this stage! I hope it doesn't bite western semiconductors in the back side.

 

[pug_s]

Hygon's only got Zen1 technology from AMD. I doubt that this newly formed company would improve on that.

 

[atomicWAR]

Hygon's only got Zen1 technology from AMD. I doubt that this newly formed company would improve on that.

I wish that were true. They have started with their own custom designs for x86 that deviate from zen (how much is in question) now like the C86-5G as mentioned in the article above and a different TH one I linked. Point being it brings SMT 4 to the table with 128 cores and 512 threads 16 channels of memory and the list goes on. Plus the way an unnamed country has been poaching talent, stealing IP for some time and not to mention adding any head-way they made on their own accord... I wouldn't be so sure. They claim they have 17% IPC increase with the new CPU alone.

When you take their 52% revenue increase over the last year and extrapolate that out a little bit, even without the merger, you may find a company capable of brute forcing their way to better performance using said cash to brain drain eastern/western engineers that might not have considered working there before. If you get enough smart people together I find almost anything is possible.

Regardless I think we are looking at "good enough" performance here in the near term and even that could be problematic for AMD and more so for wounded animals like Intel... who are both already losing business to ARM designs to the likes of Amazon, Apple, etc.

 

[pug_s]

I wish that were true. They have started with their own custom designs for x86 that deviate from zen (how much is in question) now like the C86-5G as mentioned in the article above and a different TH one I linked. Point being it brings SMT 4 to the table with 128 cores and 512 threads 16 channels of memory and the list goes on. Plus the way an unnamed country has been poaching talent, stealing IP for some time and not to mention adding any head-way they made on their own accord... I wouldn't be so sure. They claim they have 17% IPC increase with the new CPU alone.

When you take their 52% revenue increase over the last year and extrapolate that out a little bit, even without the merger, you may find a company capable of brute forcing their way to better performance using said cash to brain drain eastern/western engineers that might not have considered working there before. If you get enough smart people together I find almost anything is possible.

Regardless I think we are looking at "good enough" performance here in the near term and even that could be problematic AMD and more so for wounded animals like Intel... who are already losing business to ARM designs to the likes of Amazon, Apple, etc.

it is true. Hygon got the ip from AMD for Zen1 cpu's but of course they improve on that process without the help from AMD.