News China claims to have developed the world's first AI-designed processor — LLM turned performance requests into CPU architecture

[bit_user]

There's more than one circuit in an A53; there are many, many example of how circuits are put together.

The key question isn't whether it can do the nuts and bolts, but whether it can design the higher-level structures and properly interface them with each other. Basically, can it architect such a sophisticated chip, or do you basically need a human to do the high-level architecture and just relegate the lower-level stuff to the AI?

Nuance aside, I was trying to use that as an example to make my orginal point that I don't believe this approach is enough to make something new. It's only a way to spit out variations of something that's already existed.

You'd need many examples, in order for it to learn all of the key design rules. You can't give it just a few.

 

[urn66]

The fact that anyone keeps reading after the words "China claims" is baffling to me.

Sincere question...are any of their technological creations ever tested or verified outside of China?

Hello. Chinese person here. Nuance aside, your Sinophobia is not just racist, but it is unjustified given the number of Chinese in the tech industry worldwide including the USA, but also in China. (Really, they come from here!) Have you ever visited or worked in China? Doubtful, but is has become a major science and technology power despite (some would say because of) US measures to kneecap our progress. You might want to check your arrogance.
But to answer your question, Chinese technology and design is distributed globally, with exception of the USA that seems to block some of the best Chinese technology to protect inferior US technology. For example, Huawei is the global leader in 5G by a wide margin with a patent portfolio that competitor struggle to work around, so Chinese enjoy broad application of 5G that the USA simply cannot match. I won't go on ad nausea.
Have a nice day! 😉

 

[urn66]

I would like to personally thank Trump et al for giving the Chinese EDA tool industry a big shot in the arm, not only will this enable Open-Source, AI augmented development to accelerate, but is also likely to prompt propitiatory design tolls such as those developed by Huawei to go to market.

 

[circadia]

Hello. Chinese person here. Nuance aside, your Sinophobia is not just racist, but it is unjustified given the number of Chinese in the tech industry worldwide including the USA, but also in China. (Really, they come from here!) Have you ever visited or worked in China? Doubtful, but is has become a major science and technology power despite (some would say because of) US measures to kneecap our progress. You might want to check your arrogance.
But to answer your question, Chinese technology and design is distributed globally, with exception of the USA that seems to block some of the best Chinese technology to protect inferior US technology. For example, Huawei is the global leader in 5G by a wide margin with a patent portfolio that competitor struggle to work around, so Chinese enjoy broad application of 5G that the USA simply cannot match. I won't go on ad nausea.
Have a nice day! 😉

I don't understand, why is it that everytime people raise valid concerns about China's claims, people like you instantly go "it's racist!" or "it's sinophobic!"???

and your answer sounds like it's written by a chatbot. Please tell us where US technology is "inferior"? and one of your previous posts dismiss America's claims about banning Huawei tech as if it's nothing as well.

 

[heffeque]

Those have nothing to do with this "AI-generated CPU". So, I agree with @Ktbpylon that we need to see some hard data on this thing.

Well... agreed on the "AI-generated CPU" part, but Chinese are not new to AI in general. See how DeepSeek disrupted the market.

Also as an example: Xiaomi's 2nd iteration of CPUs (the XRing O1) is as fast as the Snapdragon 8 Elite or the Apple A18 Pro.

This would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

A lot of people are not fully aware of how different China from a decade ago is from current China.

 

[bit_user]

Well... agreed on the "AI-generated CPU" part, but Chinese are not new to AI in general. See how DeepSeek disrupted the market.

As a matter of fact, DeepSeek is a good example of over-hyped Chinese technology. When it came to light that they used a lot more GPUs than first thought and that they trained against existing models, rather than from scratch, it wasn't nearly such an impressive feat. The fact that they published the model was basically just a publicity stunt and not something they'll be repeating. Sure, it runs more efficiently than some other models, but it's also not as good.

Also as an example: Xiaomi's 2nd iteration of CPUs (the XRing O1) is as fast as the Snapdragon 8 Elite or the Apple A18 Pro.

Like Mediatek, they just used cores designed by ARM.

This would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

Only if you don't understand how little they actually did.

A lot of people are not fully aware of how different China from a decade ago is from current China.

You're trying to cherry-pick examples to validate your preferred narrative, and not doing a very good job of it.

Don't get me wrong: that's not a challenge to try harder. What we should aim to do is simply look for independent testing of this stuff, so they can be properly evaluated on their merits. That way, we don't even have to worry about whether or not the information we're getting is hype - just ignore it and pay attention to any information that's unbiased and of good quality.

 

[heffeque]

Sure, it runs more efficiently than some other models, but it's also not as good.

That's an understatement.

Like Mediatek, they just used cores designed by ARM.

So? What's your point?

Only if you don't understand how little they actually did.

Please elaborate.

You're trying to cherry-pick examples to validate your preferred narrative, and not doing a very good job of it.

You wanted examples, I gave examples.

Don't get me wrong: that's not a challenge to try harder. What we should aim to do is simply look for independent testing of this stuff, so they can be properly evaluated on their merits. That way, we don't even have to worry about whether or not the information we're getting is hype - just ignore it and pay attention to any information that's unbiased and of good quality.

It seems that you aren't unbiased yourself. Try being a bit more objective.

 

[Blaise Daniel zylla]

Science and tech is a species wide endeavor and the benefits (and risks) accrue to us all.
More players than ever now, both protoplasmic and cyber. Nationalism? Really?

 

[bit_user]

Science and tech is a species wide endeavor and the benefits (and risks) accrue to us all.
More players than ever now, both protoplasmic and cyber. Nationalism? Really?

Yeah, it is actually very nationalistic, for some.

The Truth about China’s Cash-for-Publication Policy

The first study of payments to Chinese scientists for publishing in high-impact journals has serious implications for the future of research

www.technologyreview.com

That's an old article and I've seen reports that the program it describes is no longer in effect, but China has other ways of encouraging publication, particularly in Western journals. It's definitely a national priority.

Of course, the ideal would be free sharing of information and strict adherence to academic rigor (something potentially jeopardized by having disproportionate risks or rewards around publication) and that's not completely gone. However, such an outcome is not the default and certainly not facilitated by simply turning a blind eye to the other stuff.