News China to achieve 'basic' self-sufficiency for chip fab tools this summer claims industry veteran

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If they manage it, I bet we will find out a huge portion of it is stolen tech. I just don't buy how fast they managed this move vs how long it took to get here. We will see how it all shakes out but this feels more like a political pressure or ip theft move than it feels like a Chinese exceptionalism claim.
 
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even be able to make chips equivalent to early 2000s is enough to have a functionnal economy, army etc.

sure they won't do supercalculators yet, but hey the world from 2005 was not so different than today. With modern software they will be fine, and independant from the US. just look how US high tech is going these days. Intel has a knee down.

Soon the western market will be saturated with even more of cheap chinese gadgets.
 
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Can't wait to see China reach their expected goals. Countries that steal ips and don't respect patents are angry at China for doing the same thing. They are developing their own stuff regardless of how butthurt anyone may be.
 
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USA should have never started bullying China and banning them from using "their" tech. The only thing i can see coming out of this is China achieving self sufficiency and blocking USA and friends from buying stuff they actually need. The amount of demand for mature nodes is significantly higher than the new fake 2nm crap, and China can make that stuff in qtys nobody else can.
 
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It also doesn't help with how long Intel was on 14nm. If China can make homegrown 14nm or better completely in their own borders, I think they'll be fine. And I doubt that'll take even three years to get there.
 
I would not be surprise they they have the (near) complete duv / euv process in a proof of concept state or better. The problem is likely efficient yield for all the materials and final product. Maybe another round of sanctions will boost their urgency 😉
 
ivan_vy said:
maybe the will never reach the leading edge of western chips but a really big market is being taken away from western companies and that will impact R&D and control over customers. See Intel now, they badly need that sweet asian sales (27% ).
https://www.crn.com/news/computing/2024/china-blocks-intel-and-amd-chips-as-billions-hang-in-balance
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China is already dominant in legacy node becasuse there was really no restriction in the first place. Intel isn't missing anything as they have no plan to make CPUs on legacy nodes.
 
China has been anticipating sanctions from since ~2015 and have started researching on making self sufficient tools from even before. Just because mainstream media don’t report on these efforts doesn’t mean they suddenly jump from 0 to 50 within two years which is the basis of most Western skepticism claiming they stole IP when they’re simply reaping the fruits of their research efforts recently which coincides with major sanction announcements. Regardless, do you really expect China to suddenly grind to a standstill just because a bunch of countries decided to stop selling equipment to China? They simply have too much at stake and too big of a momentum to just not risk everything to get their sh** together. Certainly the US isn’t that naive to think they could stop China from being self sufficient when their efforts began over a decade ago.
 
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You can't blame them for stealing the IP, when you don't allow them to buy it legitimately from you.
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I can and do. They had the ability to research it themselves. It doesn't make espionage ok just because we don't want to share tech with them. You may as well say it's ok to steal f22s because we won't share.
 
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