Chipped Epson cartridges.

[ANON]

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Due to problems with a clogged printer head, and repeated cleaning
operations, my new epson original ink cartridges report that they are only
60% full now - when in fact I know they must be 100% since there hasn't been
a drop out of them yet.

I have an Epson CX5200 and wonder if there is a simple way of resetting the
chip, or indeed if they will run as an unknown vendor if the chip is
removed. I am aware that some of Epson inkjet printers (ie C680) will run on
chipped and unchipped - a message just appears which you ignore.

So can I simply remove or short the chip on the refill cartridge to get to
my remaining ink?

The cartridge numbers are (EPSON: T0321, T0422, T0423, T0424).

Thanks in advance for feedback.

Terry

 

[Guest]

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Attention Epson Owners:

I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.

anon wrote:

>Due to problems with a clogged printer head, and repeated cleaning
>operations, my new epson original ink cartridges report that they are only
>60% full now - when in fact I know they must be 100% since there hasn't been
>a drop out of them yet.
>
>I have an Epson CX5200 and wonder if there is a simple way of resetting the
>chip, or indeed if they will run as an unknown vendor if the chip is
>removed. I am aware that some of Epson inkjet printers (ie C680) will run on
>chipped and unchipped - a message just appears which you ignore.
>
>So can I simply remove or short the chip on the refill cartridge to get to
>my remaining ink?
>
>The cartridge numbers are (EPSON: T0321, T0422, T0423, T0424).
>
>Thanks in advance for feedback.
>
>Terry
>
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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ok, it's very possible to make it.
however, you need to make sure the chipset is sticking with the
cartridge tightly when the cartridge housing travel from right to left,
left to right.
also, make sure you get a auto-resetable chipset which doesnt need the
resetter to reset the ink level. this can eliminate the chance of
damage the golden part of print head - the part to read up the chipset.

Another alternative way to get rid of clogging nightmare is to use the
spongeless bulk ink kit:
for example:
http://www.inkrepublic.com

their chipset is designed to avoid cleaning operation, it can save you
a lot of ink. (of course, save $$$ too)

 

[Guest]

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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nGV7e.2018$J12.1325@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> Attention Epson Owners:
>
> I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
> printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
> with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets. Epson
> owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days WordPerfect
> owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>
Yea, its a good job Epson printers produce some the best quality photo-image
printouts, have reliable mechanism that don't fall to bits after a couple of
years, don't normally clog for 90% of people who use their printers on a
semi-regular basis (more than once a month or so - although that said I have
a an Epson 460 that got used about twice last year and it didn't clog), can
generally be cleaned if blocked when you know the trick of cleaning solution
on the cap assembly's pad, and have prints that have been shown to last for
more than 6 months before fading (with one or two exceptions)... otherwise
nobody would bother buying their printers would they?

 

[Guest]

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Attention Epson Owners:
>
>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>
The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
Lexmark...


--

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Hecate@newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Guest]

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Hecate wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>
>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>
>>
>>
>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>Lexmark...
>
>

I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
amateurs. So I stand by what I said.

>
> --
>
>Hecate - The Real One
>Hecate@newsguy.com
>Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Ivor Floppy wrote:

>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:nGV7e.2018$J12.1325@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>
>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets. Epson
>>owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days WordPerfect
>>owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>
>>
>>
>Yea, its a good job Epson printers produce some the best quality photo-image
>printouts, have reliable mechanism that don't fall to bits after a couple of
>years, don't normally clog for 90% of people
>

I guess we find the other 10% here!

>who use their printers on a
>semi-regular basis (more than once a month or so - although that said I have
>a an Epson 460 that got used about twice last year and it didn't clog), can
>generally be cleaned if blocked when you know the trick of cleaning solution
>on the cap assembly's pad, and have prints that have been shown to last for
>more than 6 months before fading (with one or two exceptions)... otherwise
>nobody would bother buying their printers would they?
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Douglas]

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Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he has
NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000! That doesn't push
any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my Mitsubishi 9000W.I also
have my own darkroom,and at times,still use film!I went through this same
thing in the 70s.Some people were pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had
both,and used both! I still use both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy
anything by brand,I buy the BEST camera or printer,or anything else,for the
job at hand!Epson at the moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be
Canon!
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Hecate wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>
>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days WordPerfect
>>>owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>
>>>
>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>Lexmark...
>>
>
> I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
> most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
> NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
> amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>
>>
>> --
>>
>>Hecate - The Real One
>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>

 

[frank]

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Hecate wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Attention Epson Owners:
>>>
>>> I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>> printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>> problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon
>>> inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order
>>> days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>> number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>> than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>> many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>> for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>> Lexmark...
>>
>>
>
> I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
> most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
> NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
> amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hecate - The Real One
>> Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>> you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>
>>
You have no idea what you're talking about. My brother is a professional
products photographer for over 30 years and uses Epson printers.
BTW, you're a hobbyists right so what do you photograph and what do you
print?
Frank

 

[BURT]

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My niece just graduated from a highly regarded graphics design program.
When she entered that program she was advised to purchase an Epson 1280
printer. Epsons are apparently the choice of graphics professionals as
well as professional photographers.

"Douglas" <.> wrote in message news:iYCdnW31fKnILP3fRVn-2w@centurytel.net...
> Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
> group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
> printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
> has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000! That doesn't
> push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my Mitsubishi 9000W.I
> also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use film!I went through this
> same thing in the 70s.Some people were pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm
> slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use both makes of digital slrs!I
> don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST camera or printer,or anything
> else,for the job at hand!Epson at the moment is the tool for me,tomorrow
> it could be Canon!
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>
>> Hecate wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>
>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>Lexmark...
>>>
>>
>> I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>> most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
>> NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>> amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:01:34 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Hecate wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>
>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>Lexmark...
>>
>>
>
>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
>NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>
>>
<shrug>

--

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Hecate@newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Guest]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:04:09 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
>I guess we find the other 10% here!
>
No, you just make the assumption that what is reported here is
representative. It isn't.

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Guest]

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Douglas wrote:

>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he has
>NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>

No true. 8.5x11

>That doesn't push
>any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my Mitsubishi 9000W.I also
>have my own darkroom,and at times,still use film!I went through this same
>thing in the 70s.Some people were pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had
>both,and used both! I still use both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy
>anything by brand,I buy the BEST camera or printer,or anything else,for the
>job at hand!Epson at the moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be
>Canon!
>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Hecate wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>
>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days WordPerfect
>>>>owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>Lexmark...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
>>NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

 

[Douglas]

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Do you remember this?You posted it!

I have not tried an 8x10 (I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Douglas wrote:
>
>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
>>has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>
> No true. 8.5x11
>
>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use film!I
>>went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were pro-Canon,some
>>pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use both makes of
>>digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST camera or
>>printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at the moment is the
>>tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>>>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
>>>NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>
>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

 

[Guest]

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Douglas wrote:

>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>
>I have not tried an 8x10
>

That is different from 8.5x11.

>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Douglas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>>>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>>>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
>>>has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>>>
>>>
>>No true. 8.5x11
>>
>>
>>
>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use film!I
>>>went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were pro-Canon,some
>>>pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use both makes of
>>>digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST camera or
>>>printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at the moment is the
>>>tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>>>>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>>>>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>>>>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type of
>>>>NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

 

[Douglas]

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Good try ! I think we ALL can see you are full of it!
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:CEl8e.5795$t85.4024@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Douglas wrote:
>
>>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>>
>>I have not tried an 8x10
>
> That is different from 8.5x11.
>
>>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
>>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
>>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>>>>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>>>>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
>>>>has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>>>>
>>>No true. 8.5x11
>>>
>>>
>>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use
>>>>film!I went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were
>>>>pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use
>>>>both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST
>>>>camera or printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at the
>>>>moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>>>>>>problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon
>>>>>>>inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order
>>>>>>>days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>>>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type
>>>>>of NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>>>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

 

[Douglas]

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How many people here print 8.5x11 photos? You might use that size paper,but
8x10 is the standard size!I think you should wait to respond on digital
cameras.Another subject you pretend to have knowledge of!Just remember,what
you write can come back to make you look foolish!
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:CEl8e.5795$t85.4024@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Douglas wrote:
>
>>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>>
>>I have not tried an 8x10
>
> That is different from 8.5x11.
>
>>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
>>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
>>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>>>>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>>>>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
>>>>has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>>>>
>>>No true. 8.5x11
>>>
>>>
>>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use
>>>>film!I went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were
>>>>pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use
>>>>both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST
>>>>camera or printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at the
>>>>moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>>>>>>problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon
>>>>>>>inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order
>>>>>>>days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>>>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type
>>>>>of NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>>>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

 

[Guest]

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No one can accuse me of being brand loyal, because if you saw my home,
you'd know that's just not the case. I buy what is, as well as I can
determine at the time, the best quality at the lowest price, with et
best reliability.

The reason, in spite of some adversity, people go to Epson is that they
see a quality difference in the output, or the output has certain
qualities they were attempting to reach.

With very few exceptions, Epson heads almost never burn out and they can
handle, within reason, a great variety of ink. They have a great many
paper media to choose from.

No one I know likes Epson's methods of marketing "techniques" to sell
more ink. People don't appreciate the ink level chips, the waste ink
and pad replacement, etc. I don't own a single Epson printer with those
chips. I no longer buy Epson ink.

However, in terms of general durability and quality of build, overall,
Epson has had good designs, and image quality is also toward if not at
the top.

Art



measekite wrote:

> Attention Epson Owners:
>
> I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
> printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
> with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
> Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
> WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>

 

[Guest]

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Interesting, I wrote my reply before seeing yours, and I basically said
the same thing.

Art

Hecate wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>
>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many problems.
>>with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon inkjets.
>>Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order days
>>WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>
>
> The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
> number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
> than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
> many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
> for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
> Lexmark...
>
>
> --
>
> Hecate - The Real One
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
> you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

Actually, that's a true statement. A certain percentage of people come
to these NGs because they are having a problem, and they will be gone
again as soon as it is resolved. However, if you search the groups on
printing, you will still probably find more Epson users, and that is due
to the slant to professionals who use them.

Art

measekite wrote:


>>>
>>
>> Yea, its a good job Epson printers produce some the best quality
>> photo-image printouts, have reliable mechanism that don't fall to bits
>> after a couple of years, don't normally clog for 90% of people
>
>
> I guess we find the other 10% here!
>
>> who use their printers on a semi-regular basis (more than once a month
>> or so - although that said I have a an Epson 460 that got used about
>> twice last year and it didn't clog), can generally be cleaned if
>> blocked when you know the trick of cleaning solution on the cap
>> assembly's pad, and have prints that have been shown to last for more
>> than 6 months before fading (with one or two exceptions)... otherwise
>> nobody would bother buying their printers would they?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

8x10 has been the standard size for film. Letter size is fast becoming
the standard size for digital. 16x20 has been another large standard
size for film. Now how are you going to print that on a 13x19 printer?
Look for a new standard size for large format.

Douglas wrote:

>How many people here print 8.5x11 photos? You might use that size paper,but
>8x10 is the standard size!I think you should wait to respond on digital
>cameras.Another subject you pretend to have knowledge of!Just remember,what
>you write can come back to make you look foolish!
>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:CEl8e.5795$t85.4024@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Douglas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>>>
>>>I have not tried an 8x10
>>>
>>>
>>That is different from 8.5x11.
>>
>>
>>
>>>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>>>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
>>>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>>>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
>>>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent this
>>>>>group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes decent
>>>>>printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous posts,he
>>>>>has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>No true. 8.5x11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use
>>>>>film!I went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were
>>>>>pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still use
>>>>>both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the BEST
>>>>>camera or printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at the
>>>>>moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>>>>>>>>printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>>>>>>>problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon
>>>>>>>>inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order
>>>>>>>>days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more often
>>>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional photographer,
>>>>>>most of the true professional photographers do not frequent this type
>>>>>>of NG. What is found on this group are mainly Hobbyists and Serious
>>>>>>amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

 

[Douglas]

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

The reason "letter size" paper is used is because most prints that large
still require borders! Most printers will print borderless 4x6,but not
8.5x11! If you look at ANY of the photo programs,8x10 will be a default size
print.The size of paper a printer will except does not mean that is the
largest size it will print! When you start printing larger than 4x6,you will
see that!
The more you go on,the more foolish you look!
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hYu8e.32$Xb4.12@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> 8x10 has been the standard size for film. Letter size is fast becoming
> the standard size for digital. 16x20 has been another large standard size
> for film. Now how are you going to print that on a 13x19 printer? Look
> for a new standard size for large format.
>
> Douglas wrote:
>
>>How many people here print 8.5x11 photos? You might use that size
>>paper,but 8x10 is the standard size!I think you should wait to respond on
>>digital cameras.Another subject you pretend to have knowledge of!Just
>>remember,what you write can come back to make you look foolish!
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:CEl8e.5795$t85.4024@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>>>>
>>>>I have not tried an 8x10
>>>>
>>>That is different from 8.5x11.
>>>
>>>
>>>>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>>>>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope by
>>>>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>>>>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and weight
>>>>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent
>>>>>>this group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes
>>>>>>decent printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites previous
>>>>>>posts,he has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his ip4000!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>No true. 8.5x11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use
>>>>>>film!I went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were
>>>>>>pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still
>>>>>>use both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy the
>>>>>>BEST camera or printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson at
>>>>>>the moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly
>>>>>>>>>bad printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>>>>>>>>problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and
>>>>>>>>>Canon inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the
>>>>>>>>>order days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more
>>>>>>>>often
>>>>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional
>>>>>>>photographer, most of the true professional photographers do not
>>>>>>>frequent this type of NG. What is found on this group are mainly
>>>>>>>Hobbyists and Serious amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
>>>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

 

[Douglas]

Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

I almost forgot your remark on 13x19 printers.My new EPSON takes 17x22
media,resulting in the 16x20 trimmed print!The 13x19 printer is designed to
top out at a 12" wide print.You can make 4 4x6 prints on a sheet of 8x12
paper.You get 3 on a sheet of 8.5x11,the rest is waste.Before you say no one
uses 8x12,I do!Now I will be sure to let ALL the printer manufacturers know
they should contact you for the "NEW"standard photo sizes!
"Douglas" <.> wrote in message news:mtmdnYDBnu2HGv_fRVn-vA@centurytel.net...
> The reason "letter size" paper is used is because most prints that large
> still require borders! Most printers will print borderless 4x6,but not
> 8.5x11! If you look at ANY of the photo programs,8x10 will be a default
> size print.The size of paper a printer will except does not mean that is
> the largest size it will print! When you start printing larger than
> 4x6,you will see that!
> The more you go on,the more foolish you look!
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hYu8e.32$Xb4.12@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> 8x10 has been the standard size for film. Letter size is fast becoming
>> the standard size for digital. 16x20 has been another large standard
>> size for film. Now how are you going to print that on a 13x19 printer?
>> Look for a new standard size for large format.
>>
>> Douglas wrote:
>>
>>>How many people here print 8.5x11 photos? You might use that size
>>>paper,but 8x10 is the standard size!I think you should wait to respond on
>>>digital cameras.Another subject you pretend to have knowledge of!Just
>>>remember,what you write can come back to make you look foolish!
>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:CEl8e.5795$t85.4024@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you remember this?You posted it!
>>>>>
>>>>>I have not tried an 8x10
>>>>>
>>>>That is different from 8.5x11.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(I am cheap) but before I do buy it I will do
>>>>>that. I expect to make the purchase in the middle of summer. I hope
>>>>>by
>>>>>then the price will soften a bit. Also, a new long zoom Sony will be
>>>>>out in June. It looks more like it would be in the same size and
>>>>>weight
>>>>>class as the FZ20 but I do want to turn over all of the stones.
>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:JSj8e.5700$t85.2123@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well I have been a wedding photographer for 35 years,and I frequent
>>>>>>>this group! I use Epson inkjets,as do 90% of the pros! Canon makes
>>>>>>>decent printers,for the hobbiest.As I have read in measekites
>>>>>>>previous posts,he has NEVER printed anything larger than 4x6 with his
>>>>>>>ip4000!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>No true. 8.5x11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That doesn't push any printer.The only 4x6 prints I make are from my
>>>>>>>Mitsubishi 9000W.I also have my own darkroom,and at times,still use
>>>>>>>film!I went through this same thing in the 70s.Some people were
>>>>>>>pro-Canon,some pro-Nikon 35mm slrs.I had both,and used both! I still
>>>>>>>use both makes of digital slrs!I don't buy anything by brand,I buy
>>>>>>>the BEST camera or printer,or anything else,for the job at hand!Epson
>>>>>>>at the moment is the tool for me,tomorrow it could be Canon!
>>>>>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:OtZ7e.2796$t85.460@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hecate wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:55 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Attention Epson Owners:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly
>>>>>>>>>>bad printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>>>>>>>>>>problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and
>>>>>>>>>>Canon inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the
>>>>>>>>>>order days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The difference is that on newsgroups like these you get a greater
>>>>>>>>>number of professional users - and they use Epson printers more
>>>>>>>>>often
>>>>>>>>>than the general public. If you just used Google you'd find just as
>>>>>>>>>many problems for Canon or HP. And if you add together the problems
>>>>>>>>>for Canon, HP & Epson you might even see as many problems as for
>>>>>>>>>Lexmark...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I totally disagree. As Ken Rockwell says, a professional
>>>>>>>>photographer, most of the true professional photographers do not
>>>>>>>>frequent this type of NG. What is found on this group are mainly
>>>>>>>>Hobbyists and Serious amateurs. So I stand by what I said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>>>>>>>Hecate@newsguy.com Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with
>>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>>>you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Arthur Entlich wrote:

> No one can accuse me of being brand loyal, because if you saw my home,
> you'd know that's just not the case. I buy what is, as well as I can
> determine at the time, the best quality at the lowest price, with et
> best reliability.
>
> The reason, in spite of some adversity, people go to Epson is that
> they see a quality difference in the output, or the output has certain
> qualities they were attempting to reach.
>
> With very few exceptions, Epson heads almost never burn out and they
> can handle, within reason, a great variety of ink. They have a great
> many paper media to choose from.


Do you also include the R800/1800 in this statement? You also said that
most of these users stick with OEM Epson ink.

>
> No one I know likes Epson's methods of marketing "techniques" to sell
> more ink. People don't appreciate the ink level chips, the waste ink
> and pad replacement, etc.


Each of these items screams to buy a Canon. Epson, in an abstract sort
of way, can be perceived as 2 companys. One making dye based printers
like the R300 and another making archival based pigmented printers like
the R800.

When comparing the R300 dye based printer against the Canon Pixma dye
based printers Canon appears to get higher quality photo results, much
better business document results, substantially faster, more features in
the fact that they have two paper feeds coupled with duplex capability
and cost less. The carts have not chips, far less residual ink to toss,
and are about 20% less on the average.

As fat as comparing the PIXMA to the R800, the analysis will require
some deeper comparisons because this thing of archival ability is really
not down to a science at the present time.

> I don't own a single Epson printer with those chips. I no longer buy
> Epson ink.


If you think the current line of Epson (R300) is so good why don't you
get one? If you think that the pigmented inks of the R800 are have such
longevity that is so important then why don't you have one? And if you
think Epson inks and papers are the cats meow then why aren't you using
them. My guess is that you think they may be better but not enough to
justify the cost.

>
> However, in terms of general durability and quality of build, overall,
> Epson has had good designs, and image quality is also toward if not at
> the top.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>> Attention Epson Owners:
>>
>> I am not saying that Epson is not a good printer. The only truly bad
>> printer is Lexmark. However, you just do not here of as many
>> problems. with this as a typical example, from users of HP and Canon
>> inkjets. Epson owners are just like Apple owners and in the order
>> days WordPerfect owners. It is like a cult or a religion.
>>

 

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Another thing I noticed in this NG. There are very few regular
players. You got a couple of regular hawkers, a few Epson supporters, a
few Canon supporters, far fewer HP supporters and no real Lexmark
supporters. The rest are people that come and ago according to their
problems.

Therefore, the information you get about any one group of printer is far
from a consensus of the way people really feel out there in many cases.

However, in all cases, the majority of inkjet users feel that the price
of ink is out of line, that Epson printers users more ink than others,
that Epson chips are a pain in the ass, that Epson and HP ink costs too
much, and that notwithstanding costs, HP probably has the best idea
using replaceable heads.

But many of the quotes here are also from detailed tests from
professional reviewers that do have some credibility even though you
should question some of their motivations.

Arthur Entlich wrote:

> Actually, that's a true statement. A certain percentage of people
> come to these NGs because they are having a problem, and they will be
> gone again as soon as it is resolved. However, if you search the
> groups on printing, you will still probably find more Epson users, and
> that is due to the slant to professionals who use them.
>
> Art
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea, its a good job Epson printers produce some the best quality
>>> photo-image printouts, have reliable mechanism that don't fall to
>>> bits after a couple of years, don't normally clog for 90% of people
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess we find the other 10% here!
>>
>>> who use their printers on a semi-regular basis (more than once a
>>> month or so - although that said I have a an Epson 460 that got used
>>> about twice last year and it didn't clog), can generally be cleaned
>>> if blocked when you know the trick of cleaning solution on the cap
>>> assembly's pad, and have prints that have been shown to last for
>>> more than 6 months before fading (with one or two exceptions)...
>>> otherwise nobody would bother buying their printers would they?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>