Cingular - another opinion

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In <p06le19gouh52q4oguv65kjn86spj9qu3v@4ax.com> on Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:10:20
GMT, "Steevo@my-deja.com" <steevo@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:28:39 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The carriers control all the equipment nowadays, there is
>>>little anyone can do about it, nothing on the CDMA carriers.
>>
>>On the contrary, phones are readily available through independent dealers.

>Nope. Buy any CDMA phone that is not branded Sprint or Verizon, and
>see if they will activate it. They won't.

They did for me.

>The phones at independent dealers for GSM carriers are 99.999% branded
>phones that they bought from the carriers.

They are also bought from manufacturers and distributors.

>It's just pointless for
>you to argue otherwise, you can't find hardly any at all.

I can actually find lots of them.

>Maybe
>.0001% of GSM phones are sold unlocked.

With all due respect, that's absurd -- while most GSM phones sold in the USA
are subsidized and locked to a carrier, the majority of GSM is outside the
USA, and many of those phones are sold unlocked.

>00% of CDMA phones.

Is that just your opinion? Or do you have anything to back that up? 😉

>Admittedly there are a few unlocked phones on the market for GSM. But
>it's an insignificant percentage.

It's actually quite significant worldwide.

>Readily available? I think not.
>Visit the first 10 (or every 10th) listing in your local phone book
>for cellular dealers, it would surprise me if you could find any
>unlocked phones in that sample. On ebay, yeah. That's about it
>though.

There are lots of online dealers; e.g., http://www.expansys-usa.com/.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

 

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Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:28:39 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>The carriers control all the equipment nowadays, there is
>>>little anyone can do about it, nothing on the CDMA carriers.
>>
>>On the contrary, phones are readily available through independent dealers.
>
> Nope. Buy any CDMA phone that is not branded Sprint or Verizon, and
> see if they will activate it. They won't.

Funny, Verizon has no problem activating an unlocked CDMA phone. In
fact, when Verion was NOT selling their branded version of the Treo650,
some diehard fans fot he Treo and Verzion managed to flash
Sprint-branded Treos with hacked ROMs, unlocking the phone and allowing
them to activate on Verizon... which Verizon readily did for them.
Alltell will also readily activate a CDMA phone not from their
inventory. Sprint is really the only holdout that will not allow this.

The caveat of course is that you might not be able to use Get It Now
services on Verizon, nor would you be able to use any BREW application
on a Java phone, or vice versa. The other caveat is that you shouldn't
expect anything but the most basic support if there's a problem and your
handset is the culprit, as you cannot reasonably expect the carrier to
have information on a model of phone they do not typically stock.
That's the equivalent of asking your broadband internet provider to
troubleshoot your linux-based homebrew computer; that's simply not
something they can be expected to do.

> The phones at independent dealers for GSM carriers are 99.999% branded
> phones that they bought from the carriers.

Yes, generally taht's because they receive them at a discount AND get a
commission fromt he carrier for activating those phones. there are
however, still outlets for buying unlocked GSM phones. eBay,
Motorola-direct, amazon, cellhut, all offer unlocked GSM phones.

> It's just pointless for
> you to argue otherwise,

It's always pointless to argue against someone who is wrong and refuses
to admit it. 😉

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So...why do you have to buy the phone from *Cingular*? There are many
manufacturers and resellers who sell unlocked phones without service
contracts.

TH

BBB wrote:

> No it's not true---not if you are a former ATTWS customer and on a family
> plan.
>
> "Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message
> news:11eb36160dtg59f@corp.supernews.com...
> > BBB wrote:
> >> Simply not true.
> >
> > It IS true. I've verified this. Anyone can walk into a Cingular store
> > and see it for themselves.
> >
> > --
> > E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
> > Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

 

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AL wrote:

> "BBB" <hotel@jay.com> wrote in message
> news:TpSdnQa-p-pp_XrfRVn-1g@giganews.com...
> > No it's not true---not if you are a former ATTWS customer and on a family
> > plan.
>
> Troll Alert!
> He's been told he's wrong by many people, and he keeps adding variations to
> the story about why it's different for him. Nothing but a troll looking for
> responses.
>
> AL

Speaking of which...what happened to Jack Zwick? I haven't noticed his postings
lately. Has he morphed?

TH

 

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> Like in most other items you buy. Imagine how much tires would cost
> if you had to buy Ford tires only from Ford?

Don't worry, Ford tires only cost you your life....