circle and land-fly left?

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I just ran into this. I was IFR , when ATC assigned my runway it was
not the rwy that I wanted so I requested a change. They gave me the
change for the rwy I wanted and continued to vector me in. When
clearance came I was told you are cleared for rwy 8 circle and land. I
was already locked on to the LOC and its just a sim anyway. I do like
keeping it real but I had no idea what ATC wanted so I just brought in.
Did they really want me to circle the airport and then intercept the
ILS?

Another one, what do they want when they say Cleared to land rwy17 Fly
Left?

Ken

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[petebert]

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on a circling approach you fly the approach on say 8 to IFR minimums then
you navigate visually to the assigned runway by entering a normal downwind.


"g48dd" <g48dd@forums.simradar.com> wrote in message
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>I just ran into this. I was IFR , when ATC assigned my runway it was
> not the rwy that I wanted so I requested a change. They gave me the
> change for the rwy I wanted and continued to vector me in. When
> clearance came I was told you are cleared for rwy 8 circle and land. I
> was already locked on to the LOC and its just a sim anyway. I do like
> keeping it real but I had no idea what ATC wanted so I just brought in.
> Did they really want me to circle the airport and then intercept the
> ILS?
>
> Another one, what do they want when they say Cleared to land rwy17 Fly
> Left?
>
> Ken
>
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Actually I am not sure what airport it was. This happened about two
weeks ago but I think it might have been KDFW(Dallas,TX) This airport
has 12 ILS approaches many are parallel to each other. And now that I
am really thinking about it my approach was towards three rwy's all
parallel. Your rwy is to your left and I guess they do not say anything
if your are taking the center mmmm not sure guess I need to fly there
some more and see if I can get the same response.

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[petebert]

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this is with the FS9 atc I'm assuming, if you request any other runway then
what it originally issued you, you get circling instructions

"g48dd" <g48dd@forums.simradar.com> wrote in message
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> Actually I am not sure what airport it was. This happened about two
> weeks ago but I think it might have been KDFW(Dallas,TX) This airport
> has 12 ILS approaches many are parallel to each other. And now that I
> am really thinking about it my approach was towards three rwy's all
> parallel. Your rwy is to your left and I guess they do not say anything
> if your are taking the center mmmm not sure guess I need to fly there
> some more and see if I can get the same response.
>
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Petebert <castle@nthrax.org> wrote:

> on a circling approach you fly the approach on say 8 to IFR minimums then
> you navigate visually to the assigned runway by entering a normal downwind.

Just to clarify, there are normally higher minimums (both minimum descent
altitude and visibility) for circling than there are for the straight in
approach, be it a precision or non-precision approach.

Of course, a non-precision approach that brings you in more than 30 degrees
off the runway centerline (denoted with a letter after the approach name,
such as VOR-A or LOC-A) is considered a circling approach and only has
those minimums listed.

And finally, an aircraft can begin a circle to another runway earlier than
reaching the circling altitude minimums if ceiling and visibility allow.

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[Tim]

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g48dd wrote:
> I just ran into this. I was IFR , when ATC assigned my runway it was
> not the rwy that I wanted so I requested a change. They gave me the
> change for the rwy I wanted and continued to vector me in. When
> clearance came I was told you are cleared for rwy 8 circle and land. I
> was already locked on to the LOC and its just a sim anyway. I do like
> keeping it real but I had no idea what ATC wanted so I just brought
> in. Did they really want me to circle the airport and then intercept
> the ILS?
>
> Another one, what do they want when they say Cleared to land rwy17 Fly
> Left?
>
> Ken
>
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Not sure what airport you're talking about, but Biggin Hill (EGKB) only has
ILS on RWY21, so if you're IFR and RWY 03 is in use, you approach on the ILS
for RWY21, then carry out "circle to land" procedure, to land RWY21. What
this means is that once you have visual on the field, you break away into a
left hand circuit, for a visual approach to RWY03.

Tim

 

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Thank you Peter, actually I am going to go fly around Dallas and see if
I can recreat a situation that will give me that command. Then I can
pause shoot a shot and I will then go find the approach plate for that
rwy.

Do you know anything about Fly Left or Fly Right If you raed my comment
above I believe I was approaching 3 rwys all parallel and ATC was just
pointing out proper rwy?

Ken

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that could be an issue I suppose, in real life circling instructions include
a cardinal compass direction, I would just fly whatever way I felt like
flying in the sim, at a huge airport like DFW it would be whichever
direction took me around the least amount of airport.


"g48dd" <g48dd@forums.simradar.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you Peter, actually I am going to go fly around Dallas and see if
> I can recreat a situation that will give me that command. Then I can
> pause shoot a shot and I will then go find the approach plate for that
> rwy.
>
> Do you know anything about Fly Left or Fly Right If you raed my comment
> above I believe I was approaching 3 rwys all parallel and ATC was just
> pointing out proper rwy?
>
> Ken
>
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Hi,

You can try this at any airport with multiple runways - every time you
ask for (and get) another runway you will be told OK, but circle to land
on the original runway (assuming you have enough visibility).

Hope this helps,

g48dd wrote:
> Thank you Peter, actually I am going to go fly around Dallas and see if
> I can recreat a situation that will give me that command. Then I can
> pause shoot a shot and I will then go find the approach plate for that
> rwy.
>
> Do you know anything about Fly Left or Fly Right If you raed my comment
> above I believe I was approaching 3 rwys all parallel and ATC was just
> pointing out proper rwy?
>
> Ken
>
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Thanks Tom. I just figured that out today. I did several ILS approaches
some requesting a different rwy and that is what I found out. I think
what Peterbert was referring to is real life. So to check things out I
pulled up my approach plate to KABQ rwy 3/21 and tried to decipher it.
I can understand the basics of an approach plate but there is so much
more information here. I can see at the bottom where they have listed
circling instructions and right now I am researching how to read the
bottom part of this plate. It says :

category | A | B | C
| D |
s-ILS 3 | 5512/24 200{200-1/2}
|
s-LOC 3 | 5600/24 288 {300-1/2} |
5600/40 |

|288 {300-3/4|
Circling | 5840-1 485 {500-1} | 5900-1 1/2 |
5940-2 |
|545{600-1
1/2} | 5940-2 |

| 585{600-2} |

That’s as close as I can make it look to the way it reads. Anyway I am
looking all this stuff up because I am curious. Also I found out that
when they say FLY LEFT or RIGHT it just means how they want you to
enter the traffic pattern, not what I thought at first that I was
getting direction to which of the parallel runways I was suppose to
land on. You are already suppose to know that. As long as you have the
right Freq. dialed in it would not be a problem.

Ken

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gggezezeze that came out all messed up, I hit the wrong button. I will
go take a pic of it post it to my website and then if anyone is curious
they can follow the link.

Ken

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Ok posted now go here if you are interested to what the approach plate
has to say, I think this is where I am suppose to be looking in
reguards to the information. It says circling on the bottom of the
plate.

http://www.pbase.com/g48dd/image/42266783/original I tested it and it
works.



Ken

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Thank You, that is what I was thinking but I was not sure. I had no
idea what to think about the 1 1/2 but your answer is the most logical.
Mystery solved.

Thank You for the help
Ken.

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[petebert]

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those would be your circling minimums, normally flown at that altitude, so
say it lists 1480, I would circle at 1500, the other thing is mileage 1 1/2
or so usually, I really have no idea what that is for, I guess its the
weather minimums maybe, I asked a retired USAF pilot if they had to stay
within that many miles of something, he said probably but they would just
enter a normal downwind.


"g48dd" <g48dd@forums.simradar.com> wrote in message
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> Ok posted now go here if you are interested to what the approach plate
> has to say, I think this is where I am suppose to be looking in
> reguards to the information. It says circling on the bottom of the
> plate.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/g48dd/image/42266783/original I tested it and it
> works.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
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