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My cyan shows a white stripe in print test. Actual printout look OK. I've done
multiple print clean cycles.

I've noticed some post mention about removing the printhead and cleaning with
some solution. The manual did not have instructions. Are there somewhere on the
net? Th printer is Canon Pixma 4000.
 
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DC - The following forum has lots of info on cleaning Canon printheads. Sign
in and ask questions if you don't find the information you need already
posted.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/

"DC" <dci@glebnomail.com> wrote in message
news:u2cbg15ahj80g22trbsp8subugku6agvuc@4ax.com...
> My cyan shows a white stripe in print test. Actual printout look OK. I've
> done
> multiple print clean cycles.
>
> I've noticed some post mention about removing the printhead and cleaning
> with
> some solution. The manual did not have instructions. Are there somewhere
> on the
> net? Th printer is Canon Pixma 4000.
>
 
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> Burt is photofreek the moderator on nifty. Are you going to believe
> him. You are forwarned

I don't know his current status... but I do believe he moderated for at
least a short period of time. But would I believe him? Well
considering he did moderate the forum for a short period of time I
think he would be perfectly qualified to know what sort of information
has been posted there... so in this case I would believe him.
 
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> It has been my experience that, once printheads start to clog, no amount of "cleaning"
> will get them back to normal. I've tried all of the cleaning methods generally
> discussed and have wasted more than a few dollars on commercial
> cleaning solutions.

Just a thought, are you sure they are clogged?

It's a thermal system.. a system that is very much prone to burn out..
.. just like a lightbulb eventually.
 
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Yes, I am. When you replace the printheads, the printer returns to
working normally.

On 27 Aug 2005 23:53:52 -0700, "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> It has been my experience that, once printheads start to clog, no amount of "cleaning"
>> will get them back to normal. I've tried all of the cleaning methods generally
>> discussed and have wasted more than a few dollars on commercial
>> cleaning solutions.
>
>Just a thought, are you sure they are clogged?
>
>It's a thermal system.. a system that is very much prone to burn out..
>. just like a lightbulb eventually.
 
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> Yes, I am. When you replace the printheads, the printer returns to
> working normally.

Well what i'm saying is they might not be clogged. If the heater
inside the chamber is burnt out the effect would be either deminished
operation or no operation. Might look like a clog but be burn out.

To be honest, I've not met a canon printhead that totally failed. Most
people who I know who have canons don't use them to print photos and go
though perhaps one ream of paper a year, perhaps two. I have met
clogged canon printheads on older units that were definatly clogged as
the use of either cleaning solution or windex cleared the clog and
returned the printer to normal operation.
 
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Burt wrote:

>DC - The following forum has lots of info on cleaning Canon printheads. Sign
>in and ask questions if you don't find the information you need already
>posted.
>http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
>
>
>

Burt is photofreek the moderator on nifty. Are you going to believe
him. You are forwarned

>"DC" <dci@glebnomail.com> wrote in message
>news:u2cbg15ahj80g22trbsp8subugku6agvuc@4ax.com...
>
>
>>My cyan shows a white stripe in print test. Actual printout look OK. I've
>>done
>>multiple print clean cycles.
>>
>>I've noticed some post mention about removing the printhead and cleaning
>>with
>>some solution. The manual did not have instructions. Are there somewhere
>>on the
>>net? Th printer is Canon Pixma 4000.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
 
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In article <U%8Qe.1073$5k1.534@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
> >DC - The following forum has lots of info on cleaning Canon printheads. Sign
> >in and ask questions if you don't find the information you need already
> >posted.
> >http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
> >
> >
> >
>
> Burt is photofreek the moderator on nifty. Are you going to believe
> him. You are forwarned
>
I know it is silly to try to ask you a question & get a resonable reply,
but I'm curious as to how you would explain this:

How does Burt being photofreek, and being the moderator of another
newsgroup diminish his veracity as an exprienced user? You've stated
this often, as if it detracts from his staus, and I can't see how there
is a connection. Seems like it makes him more credible, not less.
 
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> Sounds like Zukee and Burtie are one and the same.

Perhaps we are... perhaps it's our master plan to though the marketing
of 3rd party ink, crash the world economy and pave the way to our
master plan of dorld womination. And we would gotten away with it if
it wasn't for those pesky kids, and their stupid dog.

What are we going to do tonight?
The same thing we do everything, try to wominate the dorld!
It's inky, it's inky and the stain stain stain.
Stain! -A Borner Wrothers presentation.
---

Or perhaps you are just paranoid.
 
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Sounds like Zukee and Burtie are one and the same.

zakezuke wrote:

>>Burt is photofreek the moderator on nifty. Are you going to believe
>>him. You are forwarned
>>
>>
>
>I don't know his current status... but I do believe he moderated for at
>least a short period of time. But would I believe him? Well
>considering he did moderate the forum for a short period of time I
>think he would be perfectly qualified to know what sort of information
>has been posted there... so in this case I would believe him.
>
>
>
 
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Al Gore wrote:

...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
this newsgroup would start to fire away...

Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
name "measekite".
He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post in
any ng.
We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is vile
and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change your
post when you catch him in one of his many lies and misinformation and
yet by his own admission has never ever used any after market inks. From
his postings you'd think he was married to or joined at the hip to his
one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
He is a real sick wacko.
Go figure!
Frank
 
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Frank, you are preaching to the choir. I figured out what this
Measekite character was the first time I read on of his posts. He
went in the kill file about three seconds later and is no longer an
annoyance. If you haven't done the same ... give it a thought.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:59:45 -0700, Frank <fb@notspam.com> wrote:

>Al Gore wrote:
>
> ...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
>where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
>this newsgroup would start to fire away...
>
>Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
>name "measekite".
>He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post in
>any ng.
>We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is vile
>and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change your
>post when you catch him in one of his many lies and misinformation and
>yet by his own admission has never ever used any after market inks. From
>his postings you'd think he was married to or joined at the hip to his
>one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
>He is a real sick wacko.
>Go figure!
>Frank
 
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Al Gore wrote:
> Frank, you are preaching to the choir. I figured out what this
> Measekite character was the first time I read on of his posts. He
> went in the kill file about three seconds later and is no longer an
> annoyance. If you haven't done the same ... give it a thought.
>
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:59:45 -0700, Frank <fb@notspam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Al Gore wrote:
>>
>> ...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
>>where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
>>this newsgroup would start to fire away...
>>
>>Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
>>name "measekite".
>>He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post in
>>any ng.
>>We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is vile
>>and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change your
>>post when you catch him in one of his many lies and misinformation and
>>yet by his own admission has never ever used any after market inks. From
>>his postings you'd think he was married to or joined at the hip to his
>>one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
>>He is a real sick wacko.
>>Go figure!
>>Frank
>
>
Oh I kill filed his stupid ignorant ass a while ago. I only see his
nonsensical replies thank G_d.
Frank
 
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Al Gore wrote:

> Frank, you are preaching to the choir. I figured out what this
> Measekite character was the first time I read on of his posts. He
> went in the kill file about three seconds later and is no longer an
> annoyance. If you haven't done the same ... give it a thought.
>
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:59:45 -0700, Frank <fb@notspam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Al Gore wrote:
>>
>> ...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
>>where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
>>this newsgroup would start to fire away...
>>
>>Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
>>name "measekite".
>>He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post in
>>any ng.
>>We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is vile
>>and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change your
>>post when you catch him in one of his many lies and misinformation and
>>yet by his own admission has never ever used any after market inks. From
>>his postings you'd think he was married to or joined at the hip to his
>>one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
>>He is a real sick wacko.
>>Go figure!
>>Frank
>
>
Oh one other thing...I sincerely believe that he is now talking to
himself...only himself.
Good!
Frank
 
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Al Gore wrote:
> If you refill enough, sooner or later the Canon printheads are going
> to clog regardless of who's ink you use. Anyone who thinks that they
> can start refilling and never have to replace the cartridge and/or the
> printhead is deluding themselves. The important think is to find good
> quality ink so those problems occur seldom enough to permit a
> substantial savings in print costs.
>
> Also, I never said that my printheads have never clogged since using
> NuJet ink. I will tell you that, since buying their ink, my clogging
> problems have been dramatically reduced to the point where replacing a
> printhead due to clogging is a rare event. I normally print
> approximate 100 to 150 pages a day five times a week with print
> coverage comparable to you morning newspaper. I use the equivalent of
> one black cartridge daily. With NuJet Ink, I generally can go a year
> before I start seeing my print quality deteriorate. By then it's
> usually time for a new print due to the heavy use.
>

If I printed as much as you (100 to 150 pages per day), I would perform
bi-monthly maintenance on the printhead. I'd remove it and flush all
of the ink out of the printhead with de-mineralized water through the
intake tubes with an eyedropper. This would eliminate build-up of old
dried ink. I've never used specialized cleaning cartridges and I've
been refilling for many years.

-Taliesyn
 
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Thanks, but, like I said in my original post to this thread. I've
tried EVERYTHING over the years including what you have suggested.
I've even built special tools to flush the printheads.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:42:55 -0400, Taliesyn <taliesyn4@netscape.net>
wrote:

>Al Gore wrote:
>> If you refill enough, sooner or later the Canon printheads are going
>> to clog regardless of who's ink you use. Anyone who thinks that they
>> can start refilling and never have to replace the cartridge and/or the
>> printhead is deluding themselves. The important think is to find good
>> quality ink so those problems occur seldom enough to permit a
>> substantial savings in print costs.
>>
>> Also, I never said that my printheads have never clogged since using
>> NuJet ink. I will tell you that, since buying their ink, my clogging
>> problems have been dramatically reduced to the point where replacing a
>> printhead due to clogging is a rare event. I normally print
>> approximate 100 to 150 pages a day five times a week with print
>> coverage comparable to you morning newspaper. I use the equivalent of
>> one black cartridge daily. With NuJet Ink, I generally can go a year
>> before I start seeing my print quality deteriorate. By then it's
>> usually time for a new print due to the heavy use.
>>
>
>If I printed as much as you (100 to 150 pages per day), I would perform
>bi-monthly maintenance on the printhead. I'd remove it and flush all
>of the ink out of the printhead with de-mineralized water through the
>intake tubes with an eyedropper. This would eliminate build-up of old
>dried ink. I've never used specialized cleaning cartridges and I've
>been refilling for many years.
>
>-Taliesyn
 
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> Also, I never said that my printheads have never clogged since using
> NuJet ink. I will tell you that, since buying their ink, my clogging
> problems have been dramatically reduced to the point where replacing a
> printhead due to clogging is a rare event. I normally print
> approximate 100 to 150 pages a day five times a week with print
> coverage comparable to you morning newspaper. I use the equivalent of
> one black cartridge daily. With NuJet Ink, I generally can go a year
> before I start seeing my print quality deteriorate. By then it's
> usually time for a new print due to the heavy use.

Well, this is why I don't believe you suffer from clogs, but rather
printhead burn out. The canon printhead is a thermal bubble jet rated
for only about 8000p black in it's lifetime. If you are printing 100p
5 times a week we're talking 26,000 pages. Printhead failure is bound
to happen. It's a reasonable hypothesis that different media could
affect this number... and one could observe the result if printing to
and beyond the offical duty cycle. This is all rather accidemic except
for the fact that a printhead clog you can recover from.... I do this
on my nieces printer because she goes months without printing anything.
Use does eventaully result in failure. The next time you kill a
printhead, you might try dapping a cleaned printhead onto a paper
towel. If you got lots of dots chances are there is no clog and the
problem is a burnt out heater. If not then it's likely to be clogged.
 
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Frank wrote:

> Al Gore wrote:
>
> ...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
> where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
> this newsgroup would start to fire away...
>
> Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
> name "Frank".
> He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post
> in any ng.
> We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is
> vile and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change
> your post when you catch him in one of his many lies and
> misinformation and yet by his own admission has never ever used any
> after market inks. From his postings you'd think he was married to or
> joined at the hip to his one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
> He is a real sick wacko.
> Go figure!
> Its me Frank


AND IT SURELY IS YOU. SLOWLY BUT SURELY YOU ARE COMING OUT OF THE
CLOSET AGAIN. WHAT IS YOU MEANINGLESS LIFE BORING? HA HA HA OR IS IT
HE HE HE
 
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Jez, guys, I appreciate the pointers but, believe, me I've tried all
this and more. And, as far as bi-monthly printhead maintenance, I
generally clean mine after every use. I do the extreme stuff every
week or so. Sure, the cleaning will help matters in the short term
but, it never makes any difference of any significance.

On 29 Aug 2005 14:57:50 -0700, "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> Also, I never said that my printheads have never clogged since using
>> NuJet ink. I will tell you that, since buying their ink, my clogging
>> problems have been dramatically reduced to the point where replacing a
>> printhead due to clogging is a rare event. I normally print
>> approximate 100 to 150 pages a day five times a week with print
>> coverage comparable to you morning newspaper. I use the equivalent of
>> one black cartridge daily. With NuJet Ink, I generally can go a year
>> before I start seeing my print quality deteriorate. By then it's
>> usually time for a new print due to the heavy use.
>
>Well, this is why I don't believe you suffer from clogs, but rather
>printhead burn out. The canon printhead is a thermal bubble jet rated
>for only about 8000p black in it's lifetime. If you are printing 100p
>5 times a week we're talking 26,000 pages. Printhead failure is bound
>to happen. It's a reasonable hypothesis that different media could
>affect this number... and one could observe the result if printing to
>and beyond the offical duty cycle. This is all rather accidemic except
>for the fact that a printhead clog you can recover from.... I do this
>on my nieces printer because she goes months without printing anything.
> Use does eventaully result in failure. The next time you kill a
>printhead, you might try dapping a cleaned printhead onto a paper
>towel. If you got lots of dots chances are there is no clog and the
>problem is a burnt out heater. If not then it's likely to be clogged.
 
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> Jez, guys, I appreciate the pointers but, believe, me I've tried all
> this and more. And, as far as bi-monthly printhead maintenance, I
> generally clean mine after every use. I do the extreme stuff every
> week or so. Sure, the cleaning will help matters in the short term
> but, it never makes any difference of any significance.

Well of course not... it sounds like to me that your printhead is
reaching the end of it's useful life and burning out... which if your
getting more than 8000p of black you're doing very well. A higher
drytime might affect your printhead life for the better but I don't
know that for a fact... but it really sounds like to me your using up
printheads at a rate below normal.
 
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Frank wrote:

> Al Gore wrote:
>
>> Frank, you are preaching to the choir. I figured out what this
>> Measekite character was the first time I read on of his posts. He
>> went in the kill file about three seconds later and is no longer an
>> annoyance. If you haven't done the same ... give it a thought.
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:59:45 -0700, Frank <fb@notspam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Al Gore wrote:
>>>
>>> ...When I posted my first message in this thread, I didn't volunteer
>>> where I buy my ink because I assumed that, if I did, the flamers in
>>> this newsgroup would start to fire away...
>>>
>>> Hey Big Al...there is only one real flamer in the ng and he uses the
>>> name "measekite".
>>> He is arguably the most obnoxious (and ignorant) poster to ever post
>>> in any ng.
>>> We all now believe that he is a "shill" (a plant) from Canon. He is
>>> vile and most of the time unintelligible in his replies, will change
>>> your post when you catch him in one of his many lies and
>>> misinformation and yet by his own admission has never ever used any
>>> after market inks. From his postings you'd think he was married to
>>> or joined at the hip to his one and only printer, a Canon ip4000.
>>> He is a real sick wacko.
>>> Go figure!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
> Oh one other thing...I sincerely believe that he is now talking to
> himself...only himself.
> Good!
> Frank


Oh one other thing...I sincerely believe that he is now talking to
himself...only himself.
Good!
Frank

NO I HAVE YOU DUMBELL
 
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"Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11h6lp7mtdakt29@corp.supernews.com...
> Al Gore wrote:
>> If you refill enough, sooner or later the Canon printheads are going
>> to clog regardless of who's ink you use. Anyone who thinks that they
>> can start refilling and never have to replace the cartridge and/or the
>> printhead is deluding themselves. The important think is to find good
>> quality ink so those problems occur seldom enough to permit a
>> substantial savings in print costs.
>>
>> Also, I never said that my printheads have never clogged since using
>> NuJet ink. I will tell you that, since buying their ink, my clogging
>> problems have been dramatically reduced to the point where replacing a
>> printhead due to clogging is a rare event. I normally print
>> approximate 100 to 150 pages a day five times a week with print
>> coverage comparable to you morning newspaper. I use the equivalent of
>> one black cartridge daily. With NuJet Ink, I generally can go a year
>> before I start seeing my print quality deteriorate. By then it's
>> usually time for a new print due to the heavy use.
>>
>
> If I printed as much as you (100 to 150 pages per day), I would perform
> bi-monthly maintenance on the printhead. I'd remove it and flush all
> of the ink out of the printhead with de-mineralized water through the
> intake tubes with an eyedropper. This would eliminate build-up of old
> dried ink. I've never used specialized cleaning cartridges and I've
> been refilling for many years.
>
> -Taliesyn

Al - take a look on the Nifty stuff site and try to find the reference to
something called Koganization (spelling?). This is a buildup of ink under
the printhead that simply occurs with use and time. Taliesyn's point is a
good one regarding preventitive maintenance. The Nifty stuff site also has
lots of info on print head cleaning, mostly with a bath in a very shallow
container of hot water. Just don't rub the jet areas or get the contacts
wet. There are many other tips as well.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
 
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My Epson clogged with OEM ink after 2 days, the replacement clogged
after 4 day's, they even clogged with 3rd party inks.

My IP5000 is over 3 months old and still ain't clogged yet, mind you
I'm using Canon ink and will continue to do so until it starts to
clog like the Epsons, or until I feel like risking 3rd party inks.

All we here is OEM versus 3rd party inks, I have asked twice to date
and still ain't got no reply from any of you 'ink experts'.

Which inks is good and which inks are bad - a simple question, they do
have a name don't they? My knowledge on ink is a little less than zero
but I do know you can't put diesel in a car that uses petrol or
gasolene, implying that not all inks can not be the same, molecule
size, viscosity & compostion these alone will surely affect the
performance of any print head.

So until someone starts saying this ink is good and that ink is bad I
will continue to use Canon inks as I have had 100% reliablilty to
date.

Just what's the point in buying expensive printers and using anything
but the recomended ink and wondering why you get clogs and the
picture don't come out right. If the manufacturers say use this ink
for our printers and the print heads 'knack up' then its simply not
your fault, "duh I can't say that for Epson ...l.o.l."

With that "son of a gun" I had to check every print I made, with the
Canon I don't need to - so I'll stick with what I've got.

Davy
 
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