[SOLVED] Cloning windows 10 from HDD to SSD 512 bytes to 4096 bytes

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

My HDD has 512 bytes and my SSD has 4096 bytes so I can't clone does anybody know how to fix that. I would just install windows 10 but that doesn't work

This is the error
The application or operating system couldn't be loaded because a required file is missing or contains errors errors.

File: \windows\system32\winload.efi

Error Code: 0xc000000e


Computer Information:
Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Model: B360M-DS3H
Form Factor: Desktop
No Touch Input Detected

Processor Information:
CPU Vendor: GenuineIntel
CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-8100 CPU @ 3.60GHz
CPU Family: 0x6
CPU Model: 0x9e
CPU Stepping: 0xb
CPU Type: 0x0
Speed: 3600 Mhz
4 logical processors
4 physical processors
HyperThreading: Unsupported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported
AES: Supported
AVX: Supported
CMPXCHG16B: Supported
LAHF/SAHF: Supported
PrefetchW: Unsupported

Operating System Version:
Windows 10 Pro (64 bit)
NTFS: Supported
Crypto Provider Codes: Supported 311 0x0 0x0 0x0

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
DirectX Driver Name: nvldumd.dll
Driver Version: 25.21.14.1694
DirectX Driver Version: 25.21.14.1694
Driver Date: 11 12 2018
OpenGL Version: 4.6
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
DirectX Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x1c02
Revision: 0xa1
Number of Monitors: 2
Number of Logical Video Cards: 2
No SLI or Crossfire Detected
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 3200 x 1175
Primary Display Size: 18.74" x 10.55" (21.50" diag)
47.6cm x 26.8cm (54.6cm diag)
Primary Bus: PCI Express 16x
Primary VRAM: 3071 MB
Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x

Sound card:
Audio device: Speakers (Realtek(R) Audio)

Memory:
RAM: 8128 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Media Type: DVD
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 1465123 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 484939 Mb
OS Install Date: Dec 31 1969
Game Controller: None detected
VR Headset: None detected

 

[kanewolf]

What method did you use to clone? What "doesn't work" about installing Windows 10?

 

[SoNic67]

Use this free software that can clone a HDD to a SSD with optimizing the sector size and aligning for SSD:
https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-disk-without-reinstalling-windows.html

 

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

What method did you use to clone? What "doesn't work" about installing Windows 10?

I used a lot of programs to clone and I can't because of the two different sector sizes

 

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

Use this free software that can clone a HDD to a SSD with optimizing the sector size and aligning for SSD:
https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-disk-without-reinstalling-windows.html

that doesn't work that was the first one I tried and where I found the problem unless you have to buy otherwise I don't have enough money to spend $29

 

[USAFRet]

My HDD has 512 bytes and my SSD has 4096 bytes so I can't clone does anybody know how to fix that. I would just install windows 10 but that doesn't work

Yes, differing sector sizes is a pain.

The easy way to clone with differing sector sizes is via an Image.

Do you have another drive with sufficient space, either internal or external?
Use Macrium Reflect https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree
Create a Macrium Reflect Rescue USB. Save this for later.
On this 'other drive, create an Image of your entire HDD.
Put the new SSD in and disconnect the HDD
Boot from the Rescue USB you created earlier.
Tell it what Image to use, and which drive (the new SSD) to apply it to.

Done.

 

[karenjoly]

Let us know if that works or not.

 

[SoNic67]

Use this free software that can clone a HDD to a SSD with optimizing the sector size and aligning for SSD:
https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-disk-without-reinstalling-windows.html

that doesn't work that was the first one I tried and where I found the problem unless you have to buy otherwise I don't have enough money to spend $29

Use the Free version. It works for cloning.
Other free option is this: https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Also, just using an imagining method, without re-aligning the sectors for SSD (keeping them aligned like the HDD) use is bad for performance and life of SSD. The software that I recommended does that automatically.
Just google "align SSD" if don't believe.

 

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

My HDD has 512 bytes and my SSD has 4096 bytes so I can't clone does anybody know how to fix that. I would just install windows 10 but that doesn't work

no I only have 2 drive the HHD and SSD

Yes, differing sector sizes is a pain.

The easy way to clone with differing sector sizes is via an Image.

Do you have another drive with sufficient space, either internal or external?
Use Macrium Reflect https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree
Create a Macrium Reflect Rescue USB. Save this for later.
On this 'other drive, create an Image of your entire HDD.
Put the new SSD in and disconnect the HDD
Boot from the Rescue USB you created earlier.
Tell it what Image to use, and which drive (the new SSD) to apply it to.

Done.

 

[USAFRet]

Use this free software that can clone a HDD to a SSD with optimizing the sector size and aligning for SSD:
https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-disk-without-reinstalling-windows.html

that doesn't work that was the first one I tried and where I found the problem unless you have to buy otherwise I don't have enough money to spend $29

Use the Free version. It works for cloning.
Other free option is this: https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Also, just using an imagining method, without re-aligning the sectors for SSD (keeping them aligned like the HDD) use is bad for performance and life of SSD. The software that I recommended does that automatically.
Just google "align SSD" if don't believe.

How so? The "Image" has no sector information.

 

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

Use this free software that can clone a HDD to a SSD with optimizing the sector size and aligning for SSD:
https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/how-to-migrate-to-a-solid-state-disk-without-reinstalling-windows.html

that doesn't work that was the first one I tried and where I found the problem unless you have to buy otherwise I don't have enough money to spend $29

Use the Free version. It works for cloning.
Other free option is this: https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Also, just using an imagining method, without re-aligning the sectors for SSD (keeping them aligned like the HDD) use is bad for performance and life of SSD. The software that I recommended does that automatically.
Just google "align SSD" if don't believe.

How so? The "Image" has no sector information.

None of these work when the section sizes are different

 

[SoNic67]

Section sizes?
If the SSD is bigger than the HDD partition, it works. You can extend after that cloning the partition to the whole SSD.
It doesn't work if the SSD is smaller.

 

[USAFRet]

None of these work when the section sizes are different

You mean "sector" not section, right?

A direct clone will fail if the sector size is different. 512 vs 4096.
An Image is not a clone.

I've taken an Image of an SSD, applied it to an HDD, booted from it.
And then taken an Image of that HDD and applied to a different SSD.
Zero issues.

 

[karenjoly]

This matter was examined recently here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3792488/clone-spinning-drive-512-byte-sectors-ssd.html

Based on a Macrium FAQ here:

https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/Incompa...

LSS

Modern ssds use the 4K size sector but emulate the 512 byte size for compatibility . That is called a 512e sector. The FAQ document says an incompatibility between sizes arises when going to a larger sector size but that "There are no disks currently available that would cause this issue when connected directly (i.e. not via USB)." That's because 4K disks support Advanced Format 512e and permit directly accessing 512 Bytes of data via emulation.

I have several very modern ssds, 850/860/960 Samsung drives. Looking at them in sys info shows them with 512 sector size. The Macrium document mentions that disks with a physical sector size of 4096 Bytes that implement 512e will show 512 in sys info.

Check that the bytes/sector of the problem actually shows as 4 K ( 4096 ) then say good bye to the drive. It fails to emulate 512 .

 

[SoNic67]

No emulation? So what?
As long as you are aligned to 4k, you are good to go. Partition Starting Offset is integer multiples of 4096.
Another tool, if you don't like "Easeus todo":
https://www.partitionwizard.com/partitionmanager/how-to-align-ssd-partition.html

 

[wolfspirit1o1o1o1o1]

None of these work when the section sizes are different

You mean "sector" not section, right?

A direct clone will fail if the sector size is different. 512 vs 4096.
An Image is not a clone.

I've taken an Image of an SSD, applied it to an HDD, booted from it.
And then taken an Image of that HDD and applied to a different SSD.
Zero issues.

yes I meant sector

 

[airborneairassault]

I just read a lot of the posts about cloning drives. There is software that will do a workaround where you have your original HD/SSD with a sector size of 512 and your new drive (mostly drives 2TB and above and in my case was a Crucial MX500 4TB SSD. Actually the best way is to do a Backup to another HD/SSD and then restore it to your new SSD. I have a full version of Acronis True Image and this is the only way to prevent sector issues and possible damage to your new SSD. Yes it takes longer, but the benefits outweigh the risks. If you don’t want to buy any software you can always use windows backup 😂 it’s always good.. NOT! But another software I have used and like is https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree. As long as it’s for home use, you are good. Also, they just released version 8 and I believe it said in note after I had upgraded that they were discontinuing the free version at end of 2023. Don’t quote me on that, but it’s a really good free software. This is my first post in a long time, I forgot my old username and password, and the email I had then is no longer active as you know how cable internet companies gobble up each other and especially after 9/11, I was in the Army so I had no time for doing my passion work on computers and IT/Internet Security. Hopefully I can be more active and possibly help others in the future! HooAh! No Slack!

 

[USAFRet]

I just read a lot of the posts about cloning drives.

4 years later...

Please don't resurrect ancient threads.

Thanks.