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Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

If print longevity preoccupies you, you should probably buy the
name-brand inks and papers recommended by your printer maker, despite
the sticker shock. Each printer is designed with specific inks and
papers to chemically interact.
 
Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

If you are really preoccupied with print longevity you should not use dye
based inks, period. Epson presently has the only pigment based photo
printers on the market, but I understand that Canon is about to debut with
their pigment based ink system.

"measekite" <measekite@juno.com> wrote in message
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> If print longevity preoccupies you, you should probably buy the name-brand
> inks and papers recommended by your printer maker, despite the sticker
> shock. Each printer is designed with specific inks and papers to
> chemically interact.
>
 
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Burt wrote:

>If you are really preoccupied with print longevity you should not use dye
>based inks, period. Epson presently has the only pigment based photo
>printers on the market, but I understand that Canon is about to debut with
>their pigment based ink system.
>
>

Canon USA shows an IP6000

>"measekite" <measekite@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:0aQoe.333$Z44.201@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>If print longevity preoccupies you, you should probably buy the name-brand
>>inks and papers recommended by your printer maker, despite the sticker
>>shock. Each printer is designed with specific inks and papers to
>>chemically interact.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
 
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Am I missing something? The IP6000 is a six color dye-based ink printer
similar in terms of photo output to my I960. What does this have to do with
the rumored Canon pigment based ink printers that would presumably increase
print longevity, the issue you mentioned?

"measekite" <measekite@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>If you are really preoccupied with print longevity you should not use dye
>>based inks, period. Epson presently has the only pigment based photo
>>printers on the market, but I understand that Canon is about to debut with
>>their pigment based ink system.
>>
>
> Canon USA shows an IP6000
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@juno.com> wrote in message
>>news:0aQoe.333$Z44.201@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>If print longevity preoccupies you, you should probably buy the
>>>name-brand inks and papers recommended by your printer maker, despite the
>>>sticker shock. Each printer is designed with specific inks and papers to
>>>chemically interact.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
 
Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

Burt wrote:

> Am I missing something? The IP6000 is a six color dye-based ink printer
> similar in terms of photo output to my I960. What does this have to do with
> the rumored Canon pigment based ink printers that would presumably increase
> print longevity, the issue you mentioned?

Can you say, "lack of reading comprehension"?
Let face it Burt, you're trying to have a logical, intelligent
conversation of sorts, with a self-absorbed idiot.
It a waste of your valuable time.
Never wise up a chump, as the saying goes.
He'll never get it.

Frank
 
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"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> If you are really preoccupied with print longevity you should not use dye
> based inks, period.

The test data does not support your suggestion. See Wilhelm's fade tests at
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/, specifically
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/hp/8750.html for the HP Photosmart 8750 dye
based printer with 108 year lightfastness and compare to pigment based inks at
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/9800.html.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
 
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0700, "Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com>
wrote:

>
>"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:wfQoe.24915$J12.16524@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> If you are really preoccupied with print longevity you should not use dye
>> based inks, period.
>
>The test data does not support your suggestion. See Wilhelm's fade tests at
>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/, specifically
>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/hp/8750.html for the HP Photosmart 8750 dye
>based printer with 108 year lightfastness and compare to pigment based inks at
>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/9800.html.
>
Those would be the tests where the product is kept under glass and
only exposed to a fluorescent light source, wouldn't they?

And you think they represent real world usage because?

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"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:24:05 -0700, "Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com>
> wrote:

>>The test data does not support your suggestion. See Wilhelm's fade tests at
>>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/, specifically
>>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/hp/8750.html for the HP Photosmart 8750 dye
>>based printer with 108 year lightfastness and compare to pigment based inks
>>at
>>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/9800.html.
>>
> Those would be the tests where the product is kept under glass and
> only exposed to a fluorescent light source, wouldn't they?

Actually no. They have both under glass and bare prints tested, as well as
dark storage testing for some products. Read the links for details of test
conditions, as well as a discussion of how one manufacturer inflates their
claims by using a very low level of lighting to support 100 year lightfastness
claim (see
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/fade2black/SMH_Kodak_Tests_2004_11_25.pdf).
Henry Wilhelm is a recognized expert in print longevity, having been in the
business for decades. He has links to a hundred or so articles he has written.
See http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ if you want to learn something.

You and I are not experts in this area, Wilhelm is.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
 
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:56:07 -0700, "Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com>
wrote:


>> Those would be the tests where the product is kept under glass and
>> only exposed to a fluorescent light source, wouldn't they?
>
>Actually no. They have both under glass and bare prints tested, as well as
>dark storage testing for some products. Read the links for details of test
>conditions, as well as a discussion of how one manufacturer inflates their
>claims by using a very low level of lighting to support 100 year lightfastness
>claim (see
>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/fade2black/SMH_Kodak_Tests_2004_11_25.pdf).

OK. I stand corrected on that.

>Henry Wilhelm is a recognized expert in print longevity, having been in the
>business for decades. He has links to a hundred or so articles he has written.
>See http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ if you want to learn something.
>
>You and I are not experts in this area, Wilhelm is.
>
No, I'm not and I prefer an expert who uses "real" lighting and
conditions. See:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm

Personally, I prefer his approach. YMMV.

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you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
 
Archived from groups: comp.periphs.printers (More info?)

"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:56:07 -0700, "Bob Headrick" <bobh@proaxis.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> Those would be the tests where the product is kept under glass and
>>> only exposed to a fluorescent light source, wouldn't they?
>>
>>Actually no. They have both under glass and bare prints tested, as well
>>as
>>dark storage testing for some products. Read the links for details of
>>test
>>conditions, as well as a discussion of how one manufacturer inflates their
>>claims by using a very low level of lighting to support 100 year
>>lightfastness
>>claim (see
>>http://www.wilhelm-research.com/fade2black/SMH_Kodak_Tests_2004_11_25.pdf).
>
> OK. I stand corrected on that.
>
>>Henry Wilhelm is a recognized expert in print longevity, having been in
>>the
>>business for decades. He has links to a hundred or so articles he has
>>written.
>>See http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ if you want to learn something.
>>
>>You and I are not experts in this area, Wilhelm is.
>>
> No, I'm not and I prefer an expert who uses "real" lighting and
> conditions. See:
>
> http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm
>
> Personally, I prefer his approach. YMMV.
>

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d.htm
Printer Model: Canon S9000
Canon OEM Inks Canon Photo Paper Pro, Rated At 2 Years.

LOL, even el-cheapo 3rd party inks have a better longevity :)
 
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:58:09 GMT, "Ivor Floppy" <Ivor@somewhere.uk>
wrote:


>>>Henry Wilhelm is a recognized expert in print longevity, having been in
>>>the
>>>business for decades. He has links to a hundred or so articles he has
>>>written.
>>>See http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ if you want to learn something.
>>>
>>>You and I are not experts in this area, Wilhelm is.
>>>
>> No, I'm not and I prefer an expert who uses "real" lighting and
>> conditions. See:
>>
>> http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm
>>
>> Personally, I prefer his approach. YMMV.
>>
>
>http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d.htm
>Printer Model: Canon S9000
>Canon OEM Inks Canon Photo Paper Pro, Rated At 2 Years.
>
>LOL, even el-cheapo 3rd party inks have a better longevity :)
>
>
>
hah aha! Now you see why I prefer it ;-)

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