COMBINE TWO DISTINCT ISP MOCA / ETHERNET NETWORKS (FiOS & RCN)

[AdMan The]

Hi,

I work from home doing SQA and require fault tolerant access to our cloud at work.
I our internet goes down, so does my production and PAY.
After a couple of Summer Thunder Storms and Power Outages we decided to...
Compliment our 10 Years of Loyalty to RCN with now available FiOS BackUp (ISP - Verizon FiOS)

We have RCN Broadband delivering 155/15-Internet/Phone and CableTV (Living Room).
We added VZW FiOS 75/75-Internet and TV (Bedroom)

Both feeds enter via the Basement of a three level townhouse.

1.0.0. RCN RUN (Tier: 155/15 Internet/TV/Telephone)
1.1.0. ActionTec ECB2500C (MOCA Bridge)
1.2.0. Into an Arris DOCSIS 2.0 Cable Telephony Modem 728805 (CTM-TM602G) ,
1.3.0. Ethernet Cable1 WAN
1.3.1. From Arris CTM-TM602G (NOTE:Land Line Drop)
1.3.2. To Google OnHub Router (TP-LInk: TGR-1900) WAN Port
1.4.0. Ethernet Cable2 LAN
1.4.1. From ActionTec ECB2500C >>-->
1.4.2. To Google OnHub Router (TP-LInk: TGR-1900) LAN Port
1.5.0. MFC Print/Fax/CopyScanner (WiFi)
1.6.0. TiVo DVR (Via MOCA - Living Room)

2.0.0. Verizon FiOS RUN (Tier:75/75 Internet/TV)
2.1.0. Verizon G1100 Cable Modem Router
2.2.0. Verizon DVR (Via MOCA - Master Bedroom).

Supposedly the OnHubs having a Network Bridging Capability (Via Ethernet),
Can we bridge two MOCA Networks?
Setup is not elaborate, no guest networks, just lots of bandwidth for device support:
(PCs, LapTops, Phones, IP Cams, DVRs/Streaming: TiVo VOD, NetFlix)

Let me know if we can, how we can...so we can make it easy on my Wife and Connectivity History!

Please and Thank You!
Adam/ATLR

 

[nigelivey]

To what end? Fail over or combine bandwidth?
I think you'll be needing a dual wan router.

 

[AdMan The]

To what end? Fail over or combine bandwidth?
I think you'll be needing a dual wan router.

Happy Thanksgiving & Hi Nigel,

Thanks for participating in my question and for sparking some dialogue.
Thar's a thought provoker right there. Why would one want to combine the two.
1. Lazy - when I click PRINT I want it to just hit the Printer. \
I am becoming tired of grabbing the Win10 LapTop, disconnecting from FiOS then connecring to RCN then babysitting the Job.
I hardly PRINT anything but the WIFEY does and I even taught her to PRINT from her SammyGS5, inevitably it becomes the same old dance. I prefer to connect the Printer via ethernet, she seems to be more reliable and alot quicker via a CAT5 connection.

2. Seamlessly Lazy. Pre FiOs We got an ActionTec NetWork Extender ro get the Whole House WiFi experience and meet the HardWired/VPN Requirement for my work Win7 box. This gave us several Access Points all with the same SSID allowing
my WIfey to be more Mobile with her ChromeBook (which handle transitioning amongst the AP's much better than any of the WIN boxes.
With FiOS in house now our UPLOAD Throughput (and I do move some data about) now noticeably take milliseconds versus a minute or two or three or more.
With RCN it is the exact opposite, very reliable, dependable and consistently stable Download bandwidth.

3. Anxious, Nosey and Lazy.
We now have Three IP Cams (all ZMODO)
a. Broadcasting on 2.4GHz
b. In either 1080 or 720 (or a mix of both)
c. At all hours day and night or more.
d. More being added
All being 802.11N, there is another recently observed opportunity to observe a new issue a classic example of:
Network Throughput Performance Degradation (NTPD).
(NTPD need to research more and was curious about it's abatement by using -
our recently retired Belkin N600 Play Router to give the IP Cams there own Private Sub/Network).

Somehow I got the Idea that by deploying One or More or some magic combination of at least one OnHub (TP-Link) devices it can be used like a Dual Wan Router (Via Wired Ethernet Cable).

I am really curious about Bridging the MOCA Nets
1. With RCN - We subscribe to ALL the Premium Cable Channels for our Living Room's Tivo.(HBO, MAX, SHO, TMC, VOD, etc., etc.)
2. With FiOS - We subscribe only to HBO/STARz so they are the ONLY Premium Cable Channels on our Master Bedrooms DVR.
Again just curious - about Bridging the MOCA Nets, If It can be done and the results (It is not necessary to get RCn's Channel LibeUp on our Bedroom TV or vice versa - If that is possible it would be really cool. Should be a capability but not with Proprietary Property and E-Secrets.

Thank you, I hope this helps,
Adam

 

[bill001g]

If the TV stuff was not involved I suspect you might get it to work. Both vendors likely carry cable tv on the same frequencies so you have to be very careful to isolate the 2 cable networks. That is on top of any issues MoCA is going to cause. Verison I know use the moca to talk to the set top boxes. Not sure what happens if the other tv vendor does also.

Maybe another solution would be to consider having verizon activate the ethernet port on the ONT. This would leave the tv stuff on the verison box and you could buy a new router to hook the to ONT ethernet port

You then "just" have the problem of dual ISP to deal with. Your choice is pretty much a dual wan router which would take some redesign of your current connection or you do all the work in the end devices. Lets say you leave your current router as the default and then assign the new verizon router a ip in the same subnet and disable the dhcp server. Lets say you assigned 192.168.1.2 You would then modify your end devices to use that ip as the gateway when you wanted to used it. If you are really ambisious you can actually use both at the same time with the ROUTE command to tell which IP destination on the internet should use which router.

 

[AdMan The]

If the TV stuff was not involved I suspect you might get it to work. Both vendors likely carry cable tv on the same frequencies so you have to be very careful to isolate the 2 cable networks. That is on top of any issues MoCA is going to cause. Verison I know use the moca to talk to the set top boxes. Not sure what happens if the other tv vendor does also.

+Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful response, now that I am back home until the New Year, I am able to intelligently respond....


+AND I SOOOO WANT TO FIND OUT what happens when you "Cross The Streams" IS the Mythical MOCA Monster Created or Destroyed?

Maybe another solution would be to consider having verizon activate the ethernet port on the ONT. This would leave the tv stuff on the verison box and you could buy a new router to hook the to ONT ethernet port
+I am looking into this

You then "just" have the problem of dual ISP to deal with. Your choice is pretty much a dual wan router which would take some redesign of your current connection or you do all the work in the end devices. Lets say you leave your current router as the default and then assign the new verizon router a ip in the same subnet and disable the dhcp server. Lets say you assigned 192.168.1.2 You would then modify your end devices to use that ip as the gateway when you wanted to used it. If you are really ambisious you can actually use both at the same time with the ROUTE command to tell which IP destination on the internet should use which router.

+Supposedly the Google OnHub (TP-Link TGR-1900 is just that solution -
1) Do I buy another OnHub for $~150 and Bridge the two (Ethernet cat5/6 cable)? Or...
2) Invest in the Google Mesh for about the same? Or...
3) Just go with a DESIGNED AND BUILT - DUAL WAN ROUTER?

Playing by ear until the Holiday Season is done....
I will keep this thread updated.
Still open to all thoughts and ideas

 

[nigelivey]

Dual WAN, far more elegant. 😉

 

[AdMan The]

Dual WAN, far more elegant. 😉

Much like your contribution...Thank you!

 

[nigelivey]

Dual WAN, far more elegant. 😉

Much like your contribution...Thank you!

You're welcome.