[Comp04] Paul's reviews -- Part 3 of 6 (LONG!)

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In the next week or two, these reviews will be posted on my IF page at
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~obrian/IF.htm

This post contains reviews for the following games:

PTBAD 3
STACK OVERFLOW
GOOSE, EGG, BADGER
WHO CREATED THAT MONSTER?
THE REALM
TRADING PUNCHES

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PTBAD 3 by Xorax

When I saw the title, I thought this game was going to be a sequel to
Pick Up The Phone Booth And Die. Because the acronym seemed to be
missing a number of letters, I thought it was going to be a badly-done,
amateurish sequel, but a sequel nonetheless. For those unfamiliar with
this long-standing IF in-joke, in 1996 Rob Noyes released a very simple
game called Pick Up The Phone Booth And Die. The title is more or less
also the walkthrough. There are other ultra-minimalist joke games, but
PUTPBAD attained iconic status because of the humor of its writing and
the sheer ludicrousness of its premise. The joke inspired one sequel by
Noyes, which fleshed out the simplicity of the original by adding some
more funny stuff. It also inspired a much better joke, Pick Up The Phone
Booth And Aisle, in which a huge number of IF authors collaborated to
combine the original with the "one-move IF" concept pioneered by Sam
Barlow in his game "Aisle."

Well, if this game was meant to connect to any of those, it fails
completely, and consequently, I have no idea what the title is supposed
to represent. In fact, representation is a vexed issue for the entire
game, which bears more resemblance to gibberish like Comp2000's Stupid
Kittens in that all of it seems like offhand, random, unconnected
thoughts that make no sense whatsoever. To borrow a phrase from the game
itself: "Rather disgusting dada surealist [sic] foolishness." PTBAD 3
offers a badly-spelled, creakily-coded trip through what purports to be
someone's mind, perhaps someone who was the victim of a severe closed
head injury. It's got a maze, toilet humor, and a complete lack of
proofreading. It's quite a waste of time, though it's short enough that
it at least doesn't waste much of it.

I wonder, though: why does PUTPBAD work when this game doesn't? After
all, in Baf's Guide, Carl Muckenhoupt dismisses the original PUTPBAD in
almost the same terms ("Would be a waste of time, were it not so short
as to be almost nonexistent.") They're both tiny, nonsensical games that
discard nearly all IF conventions. The difference, I think, is craft.
Even though it only consists of maybe 200 words beyond the standard
Inform libraries, PUTPBAD is clever, solidly coded, and impeccably
written. PTBAD 3, on the other hand, seems as though it couldn't care
less about its prose or its code. And because of that, neither could I.

Rating: 2.9


STACK OVERFLOW by Timofei Shatrov

From the outset, it's clear that there are some problems with the
English in this game. The intro's admonition that I'm "really getting
late to the work", and the game's description of my garage as "a small
brick building with heavy iron door" signaled clearly to me that it's
clumsy translation time again. Occasionally, it almost seemed like a
parody of broken English, with diction worthy of Martin and Aykroyd's
Czech brothers:

>open door
You pull the door to yourself, but what do you think? It's locked!

In any case, if you're writing a game in a language in which you're not
fluent, I highly recommend having someone who is fluent check the prose.

About 40 minutes into the game, I stumbled into an area where nothing
was implemented, not even a way to get back to the place I'd stumbled
out of. Feeling merciful, I decided not to call this a game-killing bug,
restored, and continued on for a while. However, after a while of
bashing at mysterious machines, I decided I was stuck, and checked the
hint system, which let me type HINT <object> for whatever object I
needed help with, and then issued utterly useless statements like "A
little experimentation should probably be helpful for you" and "No
giveaways on that one!" Groaning with frustration, I turned to the
walkthrough, despite the game's insistence that I "shouldn't need it
because of the revolutionary hint system this game provides." Snort.
Guess what? The walkthrough didn't work either -- it expects objects to
be present that are not. In my book, that's a fatal bug.

Oh well, at least fatally buggy games are very easy to rate.

Rating: 1.0


GOOSE, EGG, BADGER by Brian Rapp

One of my favorite things about interactive fiction is its ability to
surprise me. Not only can IF deliver all of the surprises available to
static fiction -- plot twists, unexpected turns of phrase, and so forth
-- but it can also delight me by understanding a command that I never
thought it would, or by altering its internal objects in a way that
casts new light on the story, and sometimes on the medium itself. Goose,
Egg, Badger offers both kinds of surprises in abundance. The former are
difficult to talk about, since I don't want to reveal any spoilers, so
let me focus on the latter for a bit. GEB kept on thrilling me with all
the things it understood. Over and over, I'd try a kooky verb and find
that the game handled it with a response that was usually funny and
occasionally even useful. It's clear to me that a whole lot of effort
was poured into expanding Inform's standard library of verbs, and the
result is a parser that kept making me smile and say, "Wow!" In
addition, many standard Inform library responses have been replaced with
whimsical substitutes, to great effect. Besides the good parsing, GEB
introduces a handy goal-tracking device, similar to the to-do list from
Shade: throughout the game, an "urge" remains in the PC's inventory.
Examining the urge will give a clue as to what the player's current goal
ought to be. The innovation works well in this game, though I found it
to be slightly buggy -- on occasion, it seemed to be urging me to do
something I'd already done. In addition, its contents are sometimes too
vague. This problem may be unavoidable when some of the puzzles involve
performing a wholly unexpected actions rather than combining mundane
actions to achieve a desired result, but I found it sometimes vexing
nonetheless.

In fact, the main problem I had with GEB was that while its
implementation is terrifically robust, I often found its writing a
little insufficient. One stylistic choice that didn't work too well for
me is that GEB changes all room descriptions after the first visit. This
approach can work well to help characterize a PC who is very familiar
with her surroundings, as is the PC of GEB, but I found myself
floundering without exit lists, and frequently checked the scrollback
because of the nagging feeling I'd missed something. Even with a PC who
knows the lay of the land, a game's room descriptions should still meet
the minimum standards for IF: mention of all important nouns and exits.
Similarly, if you embed clues in your prose, that prose should be
repeatable without too much trouble. This is one of those rules to which
there are a bunch of exceptions, but I what I found in GEB is that
occasionally an important bit of information is smuggled inside a
description that prints once and once only; when the hints intimated
that I should have seized upon this clue, I felt a little indignant. One
other area in which the game is a little under-described is in its
depiction of certain NPC actions. In particular, there's an NPC who
follows the PC around, but this action is never mentioned by the game
beyond the fact that if you do a second LOOK in the current room, you'll
find that the NPC is there with you. This should have been made a little
clearer.

This obliqueness affects some of the puzzles -- in fact, there's one
object on which the game offers so little information, it's a bit of a
puzzle just to figure out what the object is. Despite this, many of the
puzzles are quite nice indeed. There some arbitrariness here and there,
and every so often a situation will come clear out of left field, but I
can't deny that I thoroughly enjoyed winding my way through the game.
GEB rewards experimentation, and thanks to the deep implementation,
there are a lot of things to try, some of which may succeed in totally
unforeseen ways. In addition, the writing does an excellent job of
balancing humor and scattered surreality -- I particularly enjoyed that
the ape in the game has a theme song, and that the SING command prompts
the PC to sing that theme song. Best of all, though, is the extremely
clever conceptual gimmick at the heart of the game. It was subtle enough
that I got through and enjoyed the whole game without recognizing it,
but interesting enough that once I figured it out, it opened up new
vistas for me. I definitely recommend playing this game, and I recommend
not typing SECRETS until you've played through once. Then play it again
-- if you're like me, you'll be too entertained not to.

Rating: 8.8


WHO CREATED THAT MONSTER? by N.B. Horvath

Who Created That Monster seems to want to be several different things
all at once, but it doesn't really succeed at any of them. At first, I
thought the game would be some kind of trenchant political satire or
commentary. After all, it's set in Iraq, 22 years in the future -- what
better premise to examine the complex situation in Iraq today? Indeed,
there are some moments that seem to be clearly satirical, such as this
statement by an American TV commentator in the game:

"For the longest time, the Arab world insisted on calling America
'The Great Satan.' What's really insulting about that is the way it
lumps the entire United States together into one monolithic entity.
In reality the US is a nation of 400 million people, with a wide
variety of ethnicities and points of view. Keep that in mind, Arab
world."

That's certainly satire, and not the most subtle satire at that. But
aside from a few moments like these, the game seems oddly reluctant to
actually adopt a point of view. I kept waiting for some kind of twist
that never came. For instance, throughout the game, the PC finds himself
confronted by terrorists, and he must kill them or be killed by them.
These threats are announced with the sentence, "A terrorist enters the
area," as if the PC can immediately identify an "evildoer" by sight,
even in a world where everyone, including investigative reporters,
carries around an assault rifle. I kept expecting some revelation from
the game -- maybe the PC accidentally kills someone he thinks is a
terrorist but who is actually a national leader, or maybe someone
identifies the PC as a terrorist and starts taking pot shots at him --
something to break down the PC's painfully simplistic and artificial
point-of-view. But no. The terrorists are never developed into anything
but simple wandering monsters. They might as well be orcs.

So okay, forget political commentary. Maybe WCTM is just supposed to be
an exciting science fiction thriller. Here, too, it misses the mark,
this time due to its unenthusiastic writing. Here's a perfect emblem:

>x mysterious note
It looks like an ordinary mysterious note to me.

Yawn. If the game can't be bothered to provide some detail about the
objects in its world, how am I supposed to become immersed in that
world? Granted, there are some nice touches, like the surveillance
spheres that float everywhere, or the occasional holographic
advertisements that pop up in front of the PC's eyes. These fillips are
sf cliches by now, but they still provide a nice futuristic feel. Then
again, some of what might be intended as science-fictional is so
underexplained as to appear magical. For instance, when you shoot a
terrorist, it vanishes "in a puff of smoke." Now, this might be the
result of some kind of advanced disintegrator bullet technology or
something, but even if it is, the game never mentions that. Instead, the
result is more or less equivalent to what happens to the troll in Zork
(albeit less compellingly described), which only adds to the feeling
that the terrorists are lazily imagined wandering monsters. Perhaps the
most interesting part of the game is the way that it occasionally
decorates the action with a blurb about the past or future history of
Iraq. Even these, though, suffer from prosaism:

***
1920 . The history of Iraq begins when British mandate is declared.
***

What? This statement makes it sound like the British issued a mandate in
1920 stating "Today the history of Iraq shall begin!" We need a little
more.

The satirical and speculative elements fall away from WTCM like flakes
of dry skin, leaving only a bog-standard IF "collect the gems" game.
Sadly, even this falls prey to some truly bizarre design decisions. For
instance, there are four different buildings in the game, all of which
have the same basement. Not just four identical locations -- one
location, to which the DOWN command leads from all four buildings. No
explanation whatsoever is offered for this behavior, but it's not a bug.
In fact, one of the puzzles hinges on this extremely strange geography.
In another spot, the game is terribly heavy-handed with its cueing,
robbing players of the opportunity to put the pieces together
themselves. Finally, WCTM seems to have trouble keeping track of what
and where its objects are. A manila dossier becomes, in some scenes, a
green dossier. A building is reported as being to the southwest when
it's actually to the northwest. Between its bugginess, its bizarre
design, and its apparent unwillingness to put much craft into its
world-building or its futurism, WCTM ends up being a pretty dull game.

Rating: 4.6


THE REALM by Michael Sheldon

The Realm feels like an old-school IF throwback. I mean, for one thing,
it's about a knight on a quest to obtain the head of a dragon. It's set
in the usual faux-medieval milieu -- a castle, a king, a tavern, and so
forth. There are the typical old-school IF anachronisms, such as a monk
who gets a "Habits'R'Us" catalog, and library with a book by Charles
Perrault, who lived several centuries after any knights were running
around any castles. Then there are the mimesis-breaking in-game
instructions, in the form of a pamphlet object that teaches players
about the basic commands of IF. Oh, and let's not forget the red
herrings. The Realm delights in offering tons of puzzling objects and
blocked directions that serve no purpose in the game but to send the
player spinning off on futile chases. Most of the puzzles consist of
giving an NPC something they want, and getting something in return from
them, so I suppose a few red herrings are probably necessary to keep
player interest alive.

Still, the old school has its charms. Once you stop expecting an
interesting story or a logically consistent world, The Realm can be a
pleasant place to spend an hour or two. It attends to some
implementation details well; animals can be petted and doors can be
knocked on, which I greatly appreciate. A couple of the NPCs have some
funny shtick, and the ending was fun, if a bit predictable. The red
herrings can get a little frustrating -- I often found myself thinking
of alternate solutions that would work perfectly with the game objects,
but that weren't implemented because those objects were meant only to
mislead. On the other hand, according to the walkthrough, one puzzle has
a very entertaining alternate solution that never even occurred to me.
The description is never going to win any writing awards, but it's not
overly confusing either. There was one really annoying "guess the noun"
puzzle, but the rest were okay, though not terribly inventive. I guess
it sounds like I'm damning the game with faint praise, and maybe I am --
the sum of my feelings about The Realm are that it was inoffensive and
enjoyable enough, which is not exactly an enthusiastic endorsement. Then
again, in the IF Comp, "inoffensive and enjoyable enough" can be a very
good thing, since plenty of comp games fail to achieve one or both of
those marks.

What did bring the game down was the too-frequent clumsiness of its
prose. Comma splices seem to be a particular problem, as in the second
sentence of the game's introduction:

Realizing this you become suddenly very alert, rushing on your
clothes you spring to your feet.

These two sentences are fused like tragically conjoined twins, so let's
try a little surgery. The first thing that needs to happen is that the
comma should be replaced with a period. However, even on their own, each
clause would have some problems. The comma after "alert", whose job we
just outsourced, should migrate over to the end of "this", since
"realizing this" and "you suddenly become alert" are two separate pieces
of verbal logic. As for the second clause, "rushing on your clothes"
brings to mind running a naked 100-yard dash on a track made of
trousers. The problem is the preposition: you may rush *into* your
clothes, but you don't rush *on* them. In addition, "rushing" isn't the
most felicitous verb to use there -- perhaps "hurrying" instead. That
second clause could also take a lesson from what we did to the first,
separating the sequential logical pieces with a comma. So, as they come
out of anesthesia, here are our newly split twins:

Realizing this, you become suddenly very alert. Hurrying into your
clothes, you spring to your feet.

I'm happy to announce that the operation was a success. The patients
will live, although it may not be a very normal life -- they're too
similar and too close together, leading to a choppy flow. Still, they
can't help it -- they are twins, after all. There were a few little
problems in the code, too -- the occasional hiccupped bit of text and so
forth. Ironing out these kinds of problems will help The Realm be the
best old-school throwback it can be.

Rating: 6.3


TRADING PUNCHES by Sidney Merk

Trading Punches is a lovely piece of work, with a good story and a fine
design. It's also got some flaws, so let me tackle those first, and then
I'll move on to the loveliness. The first problem I had with the game
may be more just an idiosyncratic reaction: I found much of its prose
rough going. It's not that the writing was error-laden or terribly
awkward -- it's just that I kept finding myself wanting to skim over it,
and having to concentrate to actually read it. The problem was most
severe in long room descriptions and infodumps, of which the game has
many. I'm not sure whether the prose was just too dense for me, or
whether it was some question of style, or what. I know that's an
unhelpful reaction, but it was my reaction nonetheless. One definite
problem with the style is that the game goes way overboard on a
particular gimmick for making things sound SFnal: word-mating. Thus, the
PC wanders around a landscape of "mossgrass" and "elmpines", watching
the "peacrows" and then later drinking some "brandyrum" and
"whiskeygin". Yeesh! A little of this strategy goes a long way, and
Trading Punches had way more than a little; it sounded pretty silly in
short order. Finally, though the game was obviously tested, a few
significant bugs made it into this version. For one thing, certain
commands, like "score", draw no response at all from the game. Even more
seriously, there's a class of locations with one exit that consistently
thrusts the player into a formless void from which there is no escape.
At first, I thought this effect might be intentional, but further
experimentation demonstrated that it's almost certainly accidental.

So yes, Trading Punches has some problems, but I still ended my play
session feeling very happy with it. Why? Well, for starters, I enjoyed
the story quite a bit, and aside from the excessive word-mating, the
setting felt nicely realized as well. In general, the plot and the
game-world felt reminiscent of the work of Orson Scott Card, which I
like very much. I don't know if the author of Trading Punches is
familiar with Card, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that
influence on this game. It's got plenty of Card's hallmarks: bitter
rivalry within a family, affecting the larger world and universe on a
grand scale; a gifted protagonist with a strong moral center who has a
significant impact by helping (or trying to help) others; and strong
familial bonds offsetting the deep familial schisms elsewhere. The
aliens in the game feel original and well-imagined, and lend themselves
to symbolic use as well. I also appreciated the design of the game --
its central story of sibling rivalry is told through chapters that don't
hammer the point too hard, but still make it quite clear how the enmity
grows between the two brothers. By skipping forward in time to the most
important incidents in their relationship, the game develops the
character of both the PC and his brother quite satisfyingly. Situating
the chapters within a frame story works very well to knit the disparate
pieces, and the game does an excellent job of weaving revelations about
the frame story into the content of the chapters and vice versa.
Unfortunately, two hours wasn't quite enough time for me to get through
it, partly because of my denseness around one of the puzzles. However, a
glance at the walkthrough shows that I was most of the way through, and
I felt regret at having to stop the game and write this review, which is
clear evidence that the story had me hooked.

Even aside from the story and the design (and its bugs and prose tics
notwithstanding), Trading Punches boasts an impressive amount of craft.
Especially noteworthy are the game's cool multimedia components. Each
chapter (and each return to the frame story) begins with a full-screen
graphic. These graphics are quite lovely, and do an excellent job of
establishing the landscape. I found this especially helpful as I
struggled with the dense prose's attempts at scene-setting. The
illustrations look as though they were created in some kind of graphics
rendering software, and consequently have a bit of a Myst-like feel to
them, which is a good thing. Also effective is the game's music, a
synthesized soundtrack which loops constantly in the background. The
music is generally quite effective at enhancing the mood of a particular
scene, though some of the musical pieces don't have enough melody or
complexity to withstand the constant looping. No matter how good an
eight-bar tune is, it's bound to get a little grating on the hundredth
repetition. The game itself is quite solid, too -- it's clear that a
whole lot of effort went into this project. Aside from the few bugs I
mentioned in the first paragraph, I found the code pleasantly
error-free, and the same goes for the writing. The puzzles worked well
for me, and the game did an excellent job of providing cues to help me
know what I ought to try next. One item in particular was not only quite
well-implemented, but also provided an excellent emotional through-line
for the story. Trading Punches still has a few details to clean up, and
the word-mating has to go, but I'd recommend it without hesitation,
especially to fans of dramatic fantasy games like Worlds Apart.

Rating: 9.2


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"Paul O'Brian" <obrian@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote in message
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> In the next week or two, these reviews will be posted on my IF page at
> http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~obrian/IF.htm
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> This post contains reviews for the following games:
>
> TRADING PUNCHES by Sidney Merk

Just two things in response. Well, three, the first of which is Thanks!

If an exit gets you stuck, you're right -- completely unintentional. Not
only did it not arise in beta testing, but I haven't encountered it in the
six weeks sense. I also haven't heard about it from any other review, so it
looks like I'm going to have to rely on you for a nudge in the right
direction, on figuring it out. Unfortunately, I was anxious to release 1.7
last night -- maybe I should have waited.

The hybrid objects -- and the excessive prose -- are commonly mentioned in
other reviews. The idea (for the former) is that their civilization is heavy
with these imports. These are things engineered by their ancestors. It was
meant to lend credibility to the eventual conclusion that Cpt. Chaniman
might have done the right thing in attacking the Phoenix -- fear of altering
a perfect world. It seems I not only missed the mark, but annoyed people to
boot. As for the writing, I have very little defense. I wanted it to be
expressive, immersive. As it turns out, it's merely over-done. I did read
Ender's Game but that was years ago. My inspiration came from Jack Vance
(with a little Dan Simmons' Hyperion/Endymion books) -- but I wanted more of
a futilistic, tragic outcome. I'm not a good enough writer to pull it off,
but I plan to back off in future games. I agree with you -- the writing is
such that it begs to be skimmed. I just didn't see it before submitting the
game.

---- Mike.
 
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Here, Sidney Merk <sid-ney-merk@hot-mail.com (remove dashes)> wrote:
>
> [Trading Punches]
>
> The hybrid objects -- and the excessive prose -- are commonly
> mentioned in other reviews. The idea (for the former) is that their
> civilization is heavy with these imports. These are things
> engineered by their ancestors. It was meant to lend credibility to
> the eventual conclusion that Cpt. Chaniman might have done the right
> thing in attacking the Phoenix -- fear of altering a perfect world.
> It seems I not only missed the mark, but annoyed people to boot.

That makes sense as a rationale, but I didn't think of it when I was
playing. (It looks like other players didn't either.) So it didn't do
me any good.

This is a standard problem in sci-fi writing: how do you do something
clever and indirect and still lead your audience to realize you did it
on purpose?

Well, if I had a general solution, I'd be selling it to sci-fi
writers. :) In this case, maybe more description of a couple of the
hybridized creatures -- enough to make it clear you've thought about
where they came from, instead of just picking silly names out of the
air.

But I can't help thinking that "whiskeygin" must have been made
from a genetic hybrid of barley and wheat, and distilled by a genetic
hybrid of a Scotsman and an Englishman. :)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
I'm still thinking about what to put in this space.
 
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In article <cnek43$9lk$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:
>Well, if I had a general solution, I'd be selling it to sci-fi
>writers.

You need to rethink your business plan. You want your consumers to have
*money* to spend on your products.

Adam
 
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"Andrew Plotkin" <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote in message
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> That makes sense as a rationale, but I didn't think of it when I was
> playing. (It looks like other players didn't either.) So it didn't do
> me any good.

Plus, by the time a player arrives at the point where Chaniman's log is
discovered, a dozen or more of these things have already been encountered,
and the annoyance is already set. It's an obscure connection to make. Let
this be a lesson to other IF authors -- word-pairing: bad idea. :)

> This is a standard problem in sci-fi writing: how do you do something
> clever and indirect and still lead your audience to realize you did it
> on purpose?

I wasn't sure if everyone would get it, but I hoped some would. I wanted it
to be enjoyable for everyone, but more enjoyable for anybody who picks up on
things like that. Like the title -- trading punches with Thyras (competition
at first -- eventually in a literal sense), the summit with the Incs, the
conflict mentioned in the Mythos and in the ancient log).

> Well, if I had a general solution, I'd be selling it to sci-fi
> writers. :) In this case, maybe more description of a couple of the
> hybridized creatures -- enough to make it clear you've thought about
> where they came from, instead of just picking silly names out of the
> air.

Another dilemma, since to Gavenn's people, they're entirely commonplace. I
think it was just a poorly-conceived plot device. When and if I write more
games in this future history, I'll have an opportunity to make sense of it
without splattering the landscape with arbitrary hybrids. In fact, I'm kind
of looking forward to writing two planned prequels.

> But I can't help thinking that "whiskeygin" must have been made
> from a genetic hybrid of barley and wheat, and distilled by a genetic
> hybrid of a Scotsman and an Englishman. :)

LOL! I may use that.... :)

For the alcohol, I was trying to think of a way to make it work, without
inventing words (imagine how weird the game would be if every noun-paired
word was replaced with one completely made-up). I had to allow for the
alteration of language over a 6000 year period (for us today, that would be
~4000 BC). What Gavenn speaks isn't English. Hybrid alcohol seemed like the
safest bet (you can refer to it by its components -- "whiskey" or "gin" will
work in reference). That way, I didn't have to make up words, and it fits
that the game is translating for you (i.e., the game is in English).

I appreciate the feedback -- yours, and feedback from all of the reviews!
I'm excited to have placed in the Top-10 (I'm tempted to say "even if just
by a hair", but still, Top-10 is wonderful). I was braced for a lot lower. I
just hope I'm able to put it all to good use in future projects!

---- Mike.
 
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Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:

> But I can't help thinking that "whiskeygin" must have been made
> from a genetic hybrid of barley and wheat, and distilled by a genetic
> hybrid of a Scotsman and an Englishman. :)

Irishman and Englishman, surely? A half Scotsman would've produced
"whiskygin".

Richard
 
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Here, Richard Bos <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
> Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:
>
> > But I can't help thinking that "whiskeygin" must have been made
> > from a genetic hybrid of barley and wheat, and distilled by a genetic
> > hybrid of a Scotsman and an Englishman. :)
>
> Irishman and Englishman, surely? A half Scotsman would've produced
> "whiskygin".

Sorry. As a non-drinker and non-east-of-Atlanticker, I can never
keep whisky and whiskey straight.

--Z

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Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:

> Here, Richard Bos <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
> > Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But I can't help thinking that "whiskeygin" must have been made
> > > from a genetic hybrid of barley and wheat, and distilled by a genetic
> > > hybrid of a Scotsman and an Englishman. :)
> >
> > Irishman and Englishman, surely? A half Scotsman would've produced
> > "whiskygin".
>
> Sorry.

You don't need to apologise to me - though you may have to be careful
around Scotsmen for the next couple of weeks...

> As a non-drinker and non-east-of-Atlanticker, I can never
> keep whisky and whiskey straight.

Bah. Not keeping any kind of whisk(e)y straight is a dreadful habit of
you Leftpondians. On the rocks... bah. Straight is the only way to
drink'em, with e or without.

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rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:

>You don't need to apologise to me - though you may have to be careful
>around Scotsmen for the next couple of weeks...

Just as long as you don't refer to the residents of the area as 'the Scotch'

(which made me giggle when I saw it in a White Wolf sourceboook)
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Here, Papillon <papillon_hentai@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>
> >You don't need to apologise to me - though you may have to be careful
> >around Scotsmen for the next couple of weeks...
>
> Just as long as you don't refer to the residents of the area as 'the Scotch'

That I can remember.

"'Scots', please. 'Scotch' is a drink."

Go ahead, name the movie that's a quote from.

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:38:47 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Plotkin
<erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote:
>Here, Papillon <papillon_hentai@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>>
>> >You don't need to apologise to me - though you may have to be careful
>> >around Scotsmen for the next couple of weeks...
>>
>> Just as long as you don't refer to the residents of the area as 'the Scotch'
>
>That I can remember.
>
>"'Scots', please. 'Scotch' is a drink."
>
>Go ahead, name the movie that's a quote from.

I can't, but I'm almost certain that's how Encyclopedia Brown
recognized that the bank robber had tried to hide himself in a
Scottish Heratige Festival and was indeed not really Scottish after
all.
 
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....Presidio?

"Andrew Plotkin" <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote in message
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> Here, Papillon <papillon_hentai@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>>
>> >You don't need to apologise to me - though you may have to be careful
>> >around Scotsmen for the next couple of weeks...
>>
>> Just as long as you don't refer to the residents of the area as 'the
>> Scotch'
>
> That I can remember.
>
> "'Scots', please. 'Scotch' is a drink."
>
> Go ahead, name the movie that's a quote from.
>
> --Z
>
> "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
> borogoves..."
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Ahoy, :)

"Sidney Merk" <sid_ney_merk@hot_mail.com (remove underscores)> wrote in
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> I appreciate the feedback -- yours, and feedback from all of the reviews!
> I'm excited to have placed in the Top-10 (I'm tempted to say "even if just
> by a hair", but still, Top-10 is wonderful). I was braced for a lot lower.
I
> just hope I'm able to put it all to good use in future projects!

For what it's worth, I was really surprised to see you come in 10th. I had
you pegged for a top-3, top-5 for sure. Trading Punches was my second best
playing experience (topped only by All Things Devours).

(Then again, I was really surprised to see Blue Chairs rate as high as it
did, so what do I know?...)

Cheers,

J.
 
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"Joao Mendes" <joao-mendes@netcabo.pt.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ahoy, :)

> For what it's worth, I was really surprised to see you come in 10th. I had
> you pegged for a top-3, top-5 for sure. Trading Punches was my second best
> playing experience (topped only by All Things Devours).

Well, I sabotaged myself with the cups puzzle. It was good in concept, but
unless you hit on the right moves early on, it seems a lot harder than it
really is. Although I'm happy enough with the most of the design, that part
was clearly a mistake. It wasn't the *only* mistake: my NPCs should have
been more responsive, I should have layered the prose into secondary actions
instead of cramming so much into room descriptions, and I should have had
built-in hints (the update does). That might not have been enough to boost
it into top-3 or top-5, but I do think it would have fared better. I think
more judges would have been able to appreciate the story, and that was the
main thing for me.

Your comments were a boost! It's also a good feeling that Trading Punches
was second by Paul's scores, and his game was the comp winner.

> (Then again, I was really surprised to see Blue Chairs rate as high as it
> did, so what do I know?...)

Not me. I figured it was going to be top-3 material. But, you can't write a
game that appeals to everyone. I think Slouching Towards Bedlam is the
*only* competition game to garner a score in the 8-point range, and even it
received a small number of lesser votes.

---- Mike.
 
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> Well, I sabotaged myself with the cups puzzle. It was good in concept, but
> unless you hit on the right moves early on, it seems a lot harder than it
> really is. Although I'm happy enough with the most of the design, that
part

What I can say is this. Given the lack of puzzles in the early part of the
game, it took me awhile to clue in that this was actually a puzzle. Once I
realized that, I knew I would be able to figure it out by trial and error,
but I didn't feel like spending more time on that part of the game.


> > (Then again, I was really surprised to see Blue Chairs rate as high as
it
> > did, so what do I know?...)
>
> Not me. I figured it was going to be top-3 material. But, you can't write
a
> game that appeals to everyone. I think Slouching Towards Bedlam is the

I gave it a high score, but I definitely expected my opinion to be the
minority one. Then when I saw the first few reviews, I thought OMG it's
actually going to win the comp!

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"Andrew Krywaniuk" <askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Well, I sabotaged myself with the cups puzzle. It was good in concept,
but
> > unless you hit on the right moves early on, it seems a lot harder than
it
> > really is. Although I'm happy enough with the most of the design, that
> part

> What I can say is this. Given the lack of puzzles in the early part of the
> game, it took me awhile to clue in that this was actually a puzzle. Once I
> realized that, I knew I would be able to figure it out by trial and error,
> but I didn't feel like spending more time on that part of the game.

Nor should you have. It might have worked if the entire game had been about
that puzzle, more direction had been given the player, and the payoff was
larger. As it is, what I did was introduce a major frustration between the
intro and the rest of the story.

Not that it wasn't important to the story -- there wasn't much else for
Gavenn to do *but* see about the drinks. I needed to establish an event in
which Thyras feels embarassed (in front of family and his future wife) and
Gavenn needed to be in the right state of mind to follow through with the
end of that chapter. However, this isn't the only way I could have
accomplished that. By no means was it the only problem with the game (it's
not the only criticism in reviews), but I think it was a big enough
frustration that all else I tried to do in the story just fell under
suspicion.

Having learned from this one, I'll kick myself for a couple more weeks then
move on to my next IF project. I have almost decided against releasing a
second update to replace the first. Much of what needs done now *would*
improve the game. In a way, it seems better to just stick with the more
polished version of the competition entry, instead of one that plays
differently with different interactions and solutions. Plus, the effort
could be spent on (hopefully) a game with a better design from its
inception.

---- Mike.