[SOLVED] Compact system build

Kiril1512

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Hello. I will buy a new PC. The previous one (see in my signature) will be for my brother and my new one needs to be small cause I'm moving to a new house but I will not have much space for it. (Very small desk :kaola: ).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Walmart)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.43 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - MPG Z390I GAMING EDGE AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($151.55 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston - Savage 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($177.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card ($569.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic - M12II EVO 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply
Total: $1388.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-20 10:45 EST-0500
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Will this be ok? I hope the cpu cooler will allow me to put the ram (RAM and Cooler sizes).
Do I need more RAM speed?

More info:
- Power supply will be 620W, can't find it on pc builder.
- The SSD Samsung 850 EVO I already have.
- Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse from previous pc too.
- No OC needed.

Games I play the most:
- World of Tanks;
- Total War Rome II;
- The Witcher 3;
- Battlefield I and V (the V I will get from the gpu, promo code);
- GTA V;
- PUBG;
- Some other old games like (Might and Magic, Disciples, etc...);
 

g-unit1111

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Couple of things I'd suggest:

1. Yes up the RAM speed to 3200, it doesn't matter as much on Intel rigs as it does on AMD rigs but it still helps especially when enabling XMP.

2. The D15 is totally unnecessary even for a locked CPU. You can definitely get by with less of a cooler and still be fine.

3. I'd suggest increasing storage - you can get a 1TB Crucial MX500 for less than $120 right now and that will be a much wiser purchase than the Samsung 970 Pro. Or if you want M2 I would get at least a 250GB drive for a boot drive and then put the extra money into a mass storage HD / SSD.

With that said here's the adjustments I would make. It's a little bit more but will offer far more bang for your buck:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.93 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($156.66 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Black Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo EVOLV ITX TG (Black) Mini ITX Desktop Case ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1506.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-20 11:13 EST-0500

 

Kiril1512

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Ok but why the K version of CPU if I will never do the OC?
 
My thoughts:

1. If you will be spending some $315 on a processor, I would buy a I5-9600K $250 or I7-9700K $400 instead.
You may not be interested in overclocking, but you will have an overclock capable motherboard and will be leaving some 30% performance on the table if you do not. Likely, you will see 5.0 on all cores.
The k processors, even at stock will have a higher turbo than their non K brethren. As to 9th gen, they use soldered heat spreaders which are more efficient for cooling.
The big value if a I7-8700 is that it has 12 threads. That is good if you are primarily a multiplayer gamer. Normally, games can not effectively use more than 4 threads so a 6 or 8 thread processor is fine.

2. Noctua NH-D15 is as good as it gets for a cooler, and will fit in your case. It may be a bit overkill for a non overclocked processor.
I would suggest, however that you use a NH-D15s. It is re-engineered to clear tall ram sticks and is offset to clear graphics card backplates. Double check cooler compatibility with your motherboard at the noctua web site.
With such a small ITX motherboard there may be issues.

3. Intel is not particularly sensitive to ram speeds, 2666 is ok, but likely 3000 or 3200 would not cost much more.

4. On your ssd, I would buy a single 1tb m.2 drive.
One single space is easier to manage. Love Samsung ssd devices, but the PRO versions are not really worth it over the evo. What you get is longer endurance which is no issue with these drives. They will be long obsolete before they wear out.
As to sata vs. pcie, you will not notice the difference. The pcie version does have better sequential speeds, but most work is small random I/O.
If you have the budget, buy a 970 m.2 evo 1tb.

5. On the psu, you need only a 500w psu.
But, I would buy 650w to allow for a future RTX2080ti>
I really like the Seasonic focus line. Recently, a 750w version was on sale at a lower price than the 650w.
That is fine, a psu will only use the power demanded of it regardless of the max capability.
 

Kiril1512

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I have seen some benchmarks on the net where there was a 2-5fps diference between the i7 9700k and 8700k and in some games the 9700k had less fps due to lack of threads. :ouch:
So I don't see why I would need a 9700k.
About OC, yes I have a 4790K and its overclocable and I bought just because it had 4Ghz out of box :pt1cable:
 

g-unit1111

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I guess I would also inquire as to why you're going to spend $100 on a CPU cooler if you're not going to OC either. I personally would go for the unlocked version of the processor because even if you're not going to overclock, if you're going to spend that much on a rig, you might as well get it, that way the option is there if you do decide to go for it. Overclocking really isn't that hard and it will provide you with a significant speed boost.

1. If you will be spending some $315 on a processor, I would buy a I5-9600K $250 or I7-9700K $400 instead.
You may not be interested in overclocking, but you will have an overclock capable motherboard and will be leaving some 30% performance on the table if you do not. Likely, you will see 5.0 on all cores.
The k processors, even at stock will have a higher turbo than their non K brethren. As to 9th gen, they use soldered heat spreaders which are more efficient for cooling.
The big value if a I7-8700 is that it has 12 threads. That is good if you are primarily a multiplayer gamer. Normally, games can not effectively use more than 4 threads so a 6 or 8 thread processor is fine.

I'd second this suggestion as well. The 9600K is definitely not a bad choice for your price range.

3. Intel is not particularly sensitive to ram speeds, 2666 is ok, but likely 3000 or 3200 would not cost much more.

Actually right now the G Skill RGB RAM that I linked to is $139 vs some lesser RAM kits are going for well over $150 right now.
 

Kiril1512

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So my update for the build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken M22 Liquid CPU Cooler ($82.58 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - MPG Z390I GAMING EDGE AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($151.55 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston - Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3333 Memory ($161.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($177.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card ($569.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case
Total: $1603.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-20 12:23 EST-0500
 

Kiril1512

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Ok, got the 8700k and the RAM speed from 2666 to 3333.
 

Kiril1512

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Will I gain much going to the I5 9600k? I see only 2-5-7 fps diference but the 9600k has more cpu usage than the 8700k...
 
I'm not a big fan of this phanteks ITX case because the power supply mounts directly below the graphics card, with little to no gap. This starves airflow to the first graphics card fan. You're right on the money choosing a locked i7 8700 for a mini ITX build for it's low TDP/Power Consumption, which will result in less heat output. Triple A games that demand more from the processor will run smoother on a locked i7 over and overclocked i5, due to increased cache and hyperthreading.
Because the processor is locked, you'll want to pair it with an H Series non-overclockable motherboard. I suggest going with a 1tb m.2 860 evo as NVME speed isn't enough of a performance difference in gaming to justify the cost. You can always add an extra HDD for storage if needed. I have a lot of experience building in mini itx cases and case designs like the Thermaltake core V1 are hands down the easiest to work in because you don't have to move around internal components to get to the motherboard. 650w power supply is more than enough for a non-overclockable i7 8700 and a RTX 2070, with overhead for future upgrades. This 750w power supply is of great quality and costs less than other manufacterors' 650w unit counterparts.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix H370-I Gaming Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston - Savage 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Black Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1202.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-20 15:26 EST-0500
 

g-unit1111

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There's no price on that RAM though - get the G.Skill instead since it's more readily available than the Hyper X is.
 

Good catch, it was memory listed by the OP.
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($324.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix H370-I Gaming Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Black Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1317.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-21 11:21 EST-0500
 
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If you end up going with the Thermaltake Core V1, I also recommend the Zalman CNPS9500AT CPU Cooler ($19.99 on Newegg):
http://www.zalman.com/contents/products/view.html?no=544

I just installed one in my system which has an i7 4790. Under full load with Prime 95, that CPU barely hits 50c.
That means there would be plenty of thermal headroom for a locked i7 8700, even with heat generated by the graphics card. There's ventilation on the side of the case. Case pressure increased from the cpu cooler can cause air to come in through the side vent and hit the side of the fin stack as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Zalman - CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix H370-I Gaming Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Black Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1340.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-23 09:35 EST-0500

AMD Alternative:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($304.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($192.23 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1634.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-23 09:43 EST-0500
 

Yogi2367

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A quick note on something I just ran into ... I have a mini ITX Ryzen build in a Bitfenix Prodigy case using an Asus ROG Strix X470-I mobo, and tried to install an Asus ROG Strix RTX2080Ti ... it's too darned thick to fit in the case without butchering it. Had to order a new mid tower ATX case.
Just a head's up to make sure of your measurements before placing your order.
 

Yogi2367

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Yes, that one's on me. I did not anticipate the RTX2080Ti upgrade from a GTX1070 when the system was originally built in June 2018. It was supposed to have been a single purpose build, but you know how that goes ... LOL. I should have at least known better.