Comparable build cost to a Mac 5K 3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i5, PIC/VID editing

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My last build is toast...and is 6 years old...I now want to get into video editing of my HD GoPro video and photo editing from my pro DSLR...having also made the move from film to digital for still photography. I wanted to kick the tires with Apple and they offered up the following:

Hardware
3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x8GB
3TB Fusion Drive
AMD Radeon R9 M290X 2GB GDDR5
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
Accessory Kit

All for a reasonable (cough cough) $3,000.

The 5K display IS pretty sick, but the benefits questionable....If I wanted to build a comporable or better rig with PC components...what would it cost and what would it look like? Thank you.
 
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Please don't get me started on Macs and viruses, that's one of the biggest myths about Apple - that Mac OS X doesn't need anti virus or data protection firewall hardware and software - and it drives me crazy. Any computer on any network running any operating system is just as vulnerable to DDOS attacks, data breaches, viruses, and security breaches as the next. Is it...


Thank you...from a performance point of view...how would this stack up to the iMac and its "mobile" GPU/CPU? Also...thoughts on a 5K display? As this build would be for photo/video editing it sounds lovely but I think 4K is a dud.
 
A LOT faster. iMac only has mobile i5 which would be a dual core and a mobile gpu which would be equal to probably a r9 280X. And with my build you have a i7 quad core desktop processor with 8 threads, and a GTX 970 with a lot more horsepower.

As for the 5k display, it would be very nice, however i doubt 5k will be any better than 4k in todays programs.

so do you want a 4k display? Or a standard display?

and here's a mini itx computer if you need a compact pc: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bmN499

EDIT: I'm sorry i completely didn't see that the specs for the imac is a QUAD CORE i5. So they do use desktop cpus for their imacs. Sorry about that. But still the i7 in my build is faster than that i5.
 


I don't honestly know...I want to edit HD video and high res pics....what do I actually need?

 
There is no comparable build because iMacs use laptop parts. Yes the CPUs and GPUs on the iMac are made to be run on laptops. You will get an infinitely more powerful system minus the fancy display if you build one yourself:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($383.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($122.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($371.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5900 2GB Video Card ($420.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2067.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-20 13:14 EDT-0400

This will be infinitely more powerful than that glorified laptop will be.
 


The entire selling point of the imac is the display... Why even bother saying you want a comparable build when a monitor doesnt exist that IS comparable? Yeah you can go buy a cheapo TN 4k panel, but an IPS panel with the color gamut like the one in the mac wont be had for less than $1500+

Professional photo and video editors spend thousands on a color accurate monitor, so whats the point of having a powerful computer if youre going to cheap out on the one of the most important aspects of photo editing.
 
This is part of my entire question...if my goal is to have a pretty much stand alone system for photo and video editing with absolutely no need or care for gaming.....is imac actually a good solution due to the all in solution with the monitor....or is the monitor so over the top that the benefit will not be realized before the system itself is antiquated and defunct.

My sister is a teacher so the all in system is actually $2,614....add tax and out the door it is $2,842.73...

But if the CPU and GPU are really pigs than I will pass...not sure speed wise what it would be comparable to for a PC on a scale basis....like this setup would be a 78 compared to some top of the line PC which would rate a 100.

BTW.....again because my sister is a teacher the new display is only $40 more than last years 27" iMac with the same exact setup.

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In my opinion, if you're "just getting into" photo/video editing, getting a top of the line PC probably isn't the best use of your money. I would dial back the CPU to an i5 4690, increase the SSD to 512GB (so you can do more of the editing on there and just use the HDD for storage), and possibly start with a decent 27" 2560x1440 monitor. $1900 total.

If you really get into editing, you can always pick up a better monitor later.

Edit: BTW, there's nothing wrong with the Mac from a spec perspective, it's going to be plenty fast for what you want to do. You're paying for form factor and the monitor, which admittedly is awesome, but I question its value for you. Also, once you buy it, you don't have quite the same ability to dig in and upgrade later.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($201.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($175.93 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($339.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($459.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1880.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-20 16:36 EDT-0400
 


That's just it though - the entire selling point of the iMac is the monitor. For $3,000 you're buying a ridiculously overpriced monitor with a half-assed laptop configuration inside acting as the PC. The components inside the iMac are *NOT* upgradable, and won't handle 5K photo and video editing to their full extent. You can buy the system I priced out and a decent 4K IPS monitor with calibration software and it would still come out cheaper than the 5K iMAC.

So what if you buy a powerful PC and cheap out on the monitor. With the iMAC, you're buying a fancy monitor and going cheap on the PC. It's basically a catch 22 there.

This is part of my entire question...if my goal is to have a pretty much stand alone system for photo and video editing with absolutely no need or care for gaming.....is imac actually a good solution due to the all in solution with the monitor....or is the monitor so over the top that the benefit will not be realized before the system itself is antiquated and defunct. This is part of my entire question...if my goal is to have a pretty much stand alone system for photo and video editing with absolutely no need or care for gaming.....is imac actually a good solution due to the all in solution with the monitor....or is the monitor so over the top that the benefit will not be realized before the system itself is antiquated and defunct.

It's still 3K for a ridiculously overpriced monitor with an extremely cheap hardware configuration that wouldn't even pass muster on high end laptops. If you want to do photo editing right, build a PC with the 6 core i7-5820K and a 4K IPS monitor. That and calibration software will still come out to less than the asking price for the base model of the 5K iMac.
 


Thanks for the guidance....how would this compare speed wise to the iMac? I have always been a PC fan but I am so tired of the issues with my rig I am very tempted to toss it out the window and go for the all in one solution...but not if it is really a dog compared to a rig like the one you assembled..... Are we talking ms or are we talking seconds of performance difference?
 
g-unit, if he was a professional or he'd been doing this for years, I would probably agree on going all out on the CPU and monitor. I'm just not sure he would be able to really take advantage of it vs. a more mainstream setup. Although, if money is no object, that's a different story.
 


There is a huge difference between a DIY PC and the iMac. And that is that I said in the previous post that iMacs are not upgradable. You can't even upgrade the RAM or storage devices, which means that these systems will have an extremely limited shelf life, and as CS adapts to 4K and 5K resolutions, it will struggle. For $3K you can get this with a 4K IPS HD monitor:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($383.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($371.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($345.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB287Q 60Hz 28.0" Monitor ($579.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2523.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-20 16:50 EDT-0400

$500 less than the iMac while providing an large amount of expandability options and allows for future upgrades. The iMac offers none of those things.
 
Honestly, I think it all depends on perspective. If you are editing all day, then maybe it makes a difference for you, but it really sounds to me like that is more of a hobby. The CPU in the Mac is the same as I spec'd, the GPU is not as powerful, but I would definitely not classify it as a "dog".
 


In all honesty, it is certainly going to be a hobby and used for editing sporadically...probably once or twice a month. Main use will be web and minor office environment work...but as I am using HD video and large size pics in RAW I don't want to wait for my computer. My current rig, granted she is old and maxed out...takes 30 seconds to open a spreadsheet......

If I will wait an additional second for some rendering compared to a top of the line PC rig I really don't care...it is going to be measure in multiples of seconds...like 10+....absolutely not! I have no patience for that.

 


Moving to the SSD and installing the OS and all of your programs there will get rid of nearly all of that waiting for programs to open. When you say HD video, you are referring to "regular HD video" 1920x1080, correct? Because if you are talking about 4K (3840x2160), that might change my recommendation. Assuming it's 1080, my recommendation would give you a very fast system that will last years and is also upgradable. I'd use the money you "save" and get a new lens for your camera. 🙂

Out of curiosity, do you know what photo and video applications you are going to be using?
 


I get that, but at the same time for the price you're paying for the iMac, is having that display really going to make that much of a difference from the far more affordable and common 4K? Either way you'll be paying for some pricey calibration software to get your display up to graphic design standards. And is not having upgradability of this PC worth it for production uses? Combine the fact that you'd need an external drive for any backup purposes on the iMac and the lack of upgradability, and to me if you're spending $3,000 on a computer, I wouldn't buy the iMac for that purpose.

I've said my piece, if you're dead set on getting the iMac I guess there's no further convincing at this point, but if you do buy one and you're frustrated with it after a year because of lack of expandability, not to mention the sluggishness that heavy duty photo and video editing that will add up once your system starts depreciating and you start getting into the higher resolutions, don't say I didn't warn you.
 


Thank you for all the feedback, it is appreciated. To your point, not dead set on it at all. Just torn, as I am sure many people become like me who used to build their own rigs years back and now are overwhelmed by the ever changing benchmarks. I built my last rig with the intention of upgrading it and by the time i needed it, the form factor had changed so much that it wasn't viable. So my most recent experience and memory of my pc build is that it is a POS that is prone to viruses and constantly pisses me off. I do look at mac's as toys for children and not for real tech enthusiasts but I am admittedly torn.

As noted. I can clearly get a far better rig if I build one myself AND save money, however, I then have to deal with any issues myself (and the forum's help of course). I actually don't care for the OS on macs and am far more comfortable with the framework of windows, having used in since my first build with 3.1.

Money is an object, but clearly not as critical for many as I initially wanted to build a good rig for under a grand and use my current 23" Samsung monitor. Now I'm contemplating an almost $3,000 iMac. The reasoning for this is quite simple.

1. I hate my current computer. It should be kept is a bath of salt water after I get a new setup.
2. The amount of people using macs for graphic use is hard to ignore.
3. The screen is amazing (but, as I noted above and to answer a precious question, I have no interest in editing 4K and will be shooting 1080 max. I have a home theater with a Kuro that I wouldn't replace with a 4K display if you gave it to me) 4. No apparent need for virus software.
5. Most of all, at the educators discount price I can get the top of the line iMac for $40 more than last years model with a 5K display (whether or not I would ever get a be fit from it is another question) and three years of service coverage. And from what I have been told by the apple tech is that I can upgrade the RAM to 32 GB down the line if I so desire. Granted, a limited upgrade.
6. The form factor is quite sexy.

On the flip side,
1. I fly on the windows platform and feel that he Apple OS is clunky at best, but I may well just be uninitiated to using it.
2. I like the idea of upgrading down the line but my last two rigs worked well until it was to late to upgrade them so I find less and less of an argument for that.
3. I do like the open platform of windows and how you aren't restricted by "the man" with what programs you can use and how.
4. Most importantly, I like knowing that I can fix most any issue with a PC in short order from my own experience or with the help of you fine folks.
5. Lastly, although I carry an iPhone, I only do so for ease of use from a work and life perspective. There is no question in my mind that droids are more powerful and useful.....but I really don't need that power or usefulness.....so it really isn't missed. And if I do take the plunge towards getting into editing I will likely get an iPad to view photos on the fly when in the field....not that this would necessarily make a difference as I have no issues with using my iPhone on my PC, other than my PC sucking, of course.

Wow that was long winded. Sorry. In conclusion. I have no clue what to do. I am scared of going the way of Apple as I fear I will hate the OS but love the (from what i hear) more user friendly applications for editing (I don't really know if true). But also fear building a rig with he intent of being able to upgrade in a few years for a few hundred bucks only to find out the grand I saved in staying PC is lost on having to build a whole new rig again in two or three years, granted not likely.

So there it is. Sorry again for being such a wind bag.
 
The Dell 25" 5k monitor that is coming out is $2500 to start. I think the new imac is actually a good value for what you are getting.
The color accuracy on the monitor should be quite good to start and a reasonable calibrator is in the $99 range. I'd spring for the i7.
32gb on ram should be good to upgrade in the future. I edit D800 36mp files in raw on my current system. With 8gb of ram and a q6600. Its starting to choke. This imac is 4x faster and offers 4x the ram capacity. This should last 5+ years of decent usage. The os is delightful. Its a dream
to run within the media world. There are a lot of apple haters out there and I understand why they feel that way. But, this is a great system for
our needs and a reasonable price for what we get. And the operating system is clean and runs smooth. Everything is layed out in a simple manner and there isn't bloatware to be found. Yes macs can get viruses but only if you try to. I would never suggest installing antivirus software on a mac. It isn't truly needed. Trust me. I hate Apple but I love their software!
 


Please don't get me started on Macs and viruses, that's one of the biggest myths about Apple - that Mac OS X doesn't need anti virus or data protection firewall hardware and software - and it drives me crazy. Any computer on any network running any operating system is just as vulnerable to DDOS attacks, data breaches, viruses, and security breaches as the next. Is it less common on Apple? Sure, but the key word is "less". We are all part of the same internet here, not one computer or cell phone / tablet operating system stands out as being superior to the other in their ability to handle the worst the internet has to offer.

The Dell 25" 5k monitor that is coming out is $2500 to start. I think the new imac is actually a good value for what you are getting.

It still isn't. Software and hardware is still adapting to 1440P, it will be a couple of years before 4K is fully utilized, and by then 4K and 5K monitors will be obsolete. It's a catch 22.

1. I hate my current computer. It should be kept is a bath of salt water after I get a new setup.
2. The amount of people using macs for graphic use is hard to ignore.

I get that but at the same time since the Intel switch pretty much any graphic design hardware you could run on a Mac will also work on PC, and about the same. CS 5 and 6 run better with more cores and more RAM, which the X99 platform is perfect for.
 
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