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go with the first build but change the HDD to the 500GB seagate .12 that overclockers.co.uk has and order everything from one site to save on postage. Also get a P6T SE not that UD5 and spend the extra for a D0 i7 as they overclock better and output less heat.
actually, since this is for gaming, go with an amd 720 BE and a 790GX DDR2 motherboard with 4GB of 1066mhz ram. then with the money you saved get a 4870 X2 and maybe drop the case down to an antec 300 if needed. This should support games for a good year and a half then when AMD introduces their 12 core cpu's for desktop. Then upgrade the CPU, mobo and ram to support this and you should be set for another 2 or 3 years excluding having to upgrade the graphics card.
actually, since this is for gaming, go with an amd 720 BE and a 790GX DDR2 motherboard with 4GB of 1066mhz ram. then with the money you saved get a 4870 X2 and maybe drop the case down to an antec 300 if needed. This should support games for a good year and a half then when AMD introduces their 12 core cpu's for desktop. Then upgrade the CPU, mobo and ram to support this and you should be set for another 2 or 3 years excluding having to upgrade the graphics card.
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For a quad, go with the i7 build.
At stock, the i7-920 is perhaps 15% faster, clock for clock that the Q9550. But, it also has hyperthreading which gives the appearance of 8 cores. For gaming today, that does not mean much, unless your game is multi core enabled like FSX or supreme commander.
Overclocking the 920 to 965 speeds(3.3) is trivial, particularly since you have included a very good cooler.
As far as I know, there are no ddr3 4gb ram modules out, and the 4gb ddr2 modules are very expensive.
The i7 build lets you go to 12gb with parts that are readily available now. The Q9550 build maxes out at 8gb. More than 6gb seems not to be really necessary, unless you are into heavy multitasking, or have an application that can use lots of ram. I think photoshop CS4 might be one of those.
Defer the sound card . Onboard HD sound is very good and you could always add one later. I bet you won't.
For a psu, look at the Corsair 750w unit. It will handle crossfire of two 4870 vga cards.
Seasonic or PC P&C units are very good also.
If you forgo multi vga card capability, then a 650w unit will be fine.
A single GTX295 card will run everything out there well today. By the end of the year, I expect to see another generation of cards that will perform even better and be cheaper than what you see today. At that time you may not be so eager to pay full price for a second 4870.
For a good cheaper case, look at the Antec 300.
The cooling is just as good as the 900, and has washable intake filters.
At stock, the i7-920 is perhaps 15% faster, clock for clock that the Q9550. But, it also has hyperthreading which gives the appearance of 8 cores. For gaming today, that does not mean much, unless your game is multi core enabled like FSX or supreme commander.
Overclocking the 920 to 965 speeds(3.3) is trivial, particularly since you have included a very good cooler.
As far as I know, there are no ddr3 4gb ram modules out, and the 4gb ddr2 modules are very expensive.
The i7 build lets you go to 12gb with parts that are readily available now. The Q9550 build maxes out at 8gb. More than 6gb seems not to be really necessary, unless you are into heavy multitasking, or have an application that can use lots of ram. I think photoshop CS4 might be one of those.
Defer the sound card . Onboard HD sound is very good and you could always add one later. I bet you won't.
For a psu, look at the Corsair 750w unit. It will handle crossfire of two 4870 vga cards.
Seasonic or PC P&C units are very good also.
If you forgo multi vga card capability, then a 650w unit will be fine.
A single GTX295 card will run everything out there well today. By the end of the year, I expect to see another generation of cards that will perform even better and be cheaper than what you see today. At that time you may not be so eager to pay full price for a second 4870.
For a good cheaper case, look at the Antec 300.
The cooling is just as good as the 900, and has washable intake filters.
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for gaming i7 is not that good with a single card so
build 2 for gaming
build 1 for video and cs4
build 2 for gaming
build 1 for video and cs4
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For the usage your describing (upgradeable for 3 years, heavy gaming) Build 2 is less than ideal. I would go with either Build 1, or look at an AM3 AMD build to cut costs. Particularly starting with an X3 leaves plenty of room for upgrading, plus you will already be on the DDR3 train, which should be going full speed by the end of summer.
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For a mild(3.3) overclock, only a decent cooler is required.
No X48 mobo's support i7; all X58 boards do.
To get 24gb of ram support, look for 6 ram slots. When 4gb ram sticks show up, then 24gb will be supported. Some boards, like ASUS may not now show 24gb support, but they will do so with a bios update when 4k ram sticks are available. Chelk the manufacturer web site and it's forums to verify this for any board that you are considering.
Nvidia wants a license fee to enable sli support, and some boards are cheaper vecause they do not pay it, and therefore only offer crossfire support.(sli is for nvidia cards, crossfire is for ati cards) Check carefully for this if sli is important to you.
Look carefully at the board layout to see if the requisite number of vga cards will fit. High end cards are double slot units, and they need an empty slot next to them.
I think I would pick the manufacturer first, basing the decision on how I felt about their quality, and support. Cards that have been out a while will have had the inevitable minor bios fixes already applied. My short list would be ASUS and Gigabyte. Look for features that you need. Hoe many SATA ports do you need? Some will include SAS support.
If your desire for 3 way sli/crossfire is based on gaming, then you should reconsider. There is very little gain from a third card, and even the possibility of a performance decline. A single GTX295 will be simpler and stronger than many multi card implementations.
Windows 7 seems to be getting good reviews. I have beel fooling with the release candidate, and my limited testing works well. You could install the free release candidate in june, and plan to do a re-install with the official release when it arrives around october. If a new clean install after a couple of months use, or the possibility of bugs is a problem, then vista home premium 64 will work fine.
If you are interested in using the vga cards for it's non vga processing power, then many might make sense.
If a case can fit a single vga card, which can be 10.5" or 11" long, then it can fit many of them.
No X48 mobo's support i7; all X58 boards do.
To get 24gb of ram support, look for 6 ram slots. When 4gb ram sticks show up, then 24gb will be supported. Some boards, like ASUS may not now show 24gb support, but they will do so with a bios update when 4k ram sticks are available. Chelk the manufacturer web site and it's forums to verify this for any board that you are considering.
Nvidia wants a license fee to enable sli support, and some boards are cheaper vecause they do not pay it, and therefore only offer crossfire support.(sli is for nvidia cards, crossfire is for ati cards) Check carefully for this if sli is important to you.
Look carefully at the board layout to see if the requisite number of vga cards will fit. High end cards are double slot units, and they need an empty slot next to them.
I think I would pick the manufacturer first, basing the decision on how I felt about their quality, and support. Cards that have been out a while will have had the inevitable minor bios fixes already applied. My short list would be ASUS and Gigabyte. Look for features that you need. Hoe many SATA ports do you need? Some will include SAS support.
If your desire for 3 way sli/crossfire is based on gaming, then you should reconsider. There is very little gain from a third card, and even the possibility of a performance decline. A single GTX295 will be simpler and stronger than many multi card implementations.
Windows 7 seems to be getting good reviews. I have beel fooling with the release candidate, and my limited testing works well. You could install the free release candidate in june, and plan to do a re-install with the official release when it arrives around october. If a new clean install after a couple of months use, or the possibility of bugs is a problem, then vista home premium 64 will work fine.
If you are interested in using the vga cards for it's non vga processing power, then many might make sense.
If a case can fit a single vga card, which can be 10.5" or 11" long, then it can fit many of them.
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1) there's esata or external sata hard drives.
2) well dell said se7en would be more expensive than vista but they didn't say by how much.
3) the EVGA classified with NF200 has x16x16x16
4) the P6T SE is a P6T minus SLI support and dual gigabit lan, the P6T deluxe V2 has a different chipset heatsink with a different layout compared to the P6T and P6T SE and loses the SAS support that the P6T deluxe V1 had.
2) well dell said se7en would be more expensive than vista but they didn't say by how much.
3) the EVGA classified with NF200 has x16x16x16
4) the P6T SE is a P6T minus SLI support and dual gigabit lan, the P6T deluxe V2 has a different chipset heatsink with a different layout compared to the P6T and P6T SE and loses the SAS support that the P6T deluxe V1 had.
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1) dual gigabit lan allows you to use two 1-gigabit ethernet cables in tandem for a total of 2 gigabits of bandwidth. So if two PC's are connected to a network bridge and both use dual gigabit lan then if you transfer a file from one of the PC's to the other quicker than single gigabit lan providing the HDD's is fast enough.
2) I think it just keeps the chipsets cooler.
3) Serial Attached SCSI.
4) to some people the EVGA classified is worth it, you get more room to work with since it's an e-atx motherboard and you get 48 usable PCIe lanes with 4 PCIe slots.
2) I think it just keeps the chipsets cooler.
3) Serial Attached SCSI.
4) to some people the EVGA classified is worth it, you get more room to work with since it's an e-atx motherboard and you get 48 usable PCIe lanes with 4 PCIe slots.
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1) VRaptor's aren't that much faster than a 1TB drive so get a WDC black, Samsung F1 or Seagate .12 1TB drive, it will save you a lot of money with little performance loss.
2) look at the Coolermaster Silent Pro 700w, it's a bit more than the corsair but it's modular and has an 840w peak so definitely worth it.
2) look at the Coolermaster Silent Pro 700w, it's a bit more than the corsair but it's modular and has an 840w peak so definitely worth it.
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