Question Comparing two PSUs ?

[IJIN]

Lian Li Edge EG0850 80 Plus Platinum 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.0 Modular
vs
Gigabyte AORUS Elite P850W 80 Plus Platinum 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.0 Modular.

Same price = 130 euros?

Are they both as good/bad, or one is better?

At these specs I don't really have other options... Would have to change power or rating..

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

@Aeacus might take a look. They know their PSU's pretty well.

 

[IJIN]

Hey there,

@Aeacus might take a look. They know their PSU's pretty well.

ty

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

You're welcome. Good luck.

You can check out some of the Tiered models here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Gkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

[Aeacus]

Got a summons and now i'm here.

Lian Li Edge EG0850 80 Plus Platinum 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.0 Modular

Proprietary design. Unless you have a PC case that supports that L-shaped unconventional PSU design. I wouldn't get it.
Specs: https://lian-li.com/product/edge/

Otherwise, a solid Tier A PSU.
German bulk caps, dual-chamber L-shape design, modular inputs on the main PCB.

Gigabyte AORUS Elite P850W 80 Plus Platinum

Standard ATX PSU.
Specs: https://www.gigabyte.com/Power-Supply/GP-AE850PM-PG5-rev-10

Since at the current moment, there is no reputable review that has tested the PSU's protections, it's build quality is currently speculative. But based on the info thus far, it could be Tier A PSU. Still, proper review is needed to confirm it.
Otherwise, version 1.0 is ATX 3.0 and version 1.1 is ATX 3.1 (to replace 12VHPWR with 12-2x6).

 

[IJIN]

Got a summons and now i'm here.


Proprietary design. Unless you have a PC case that supports that L-shaped unconventional PSU design. I wouldn't get it.
Specs: https://lian-li.com/product/edge/

Otherwise, a solid Tier A PSU.
German bulk caps, dual-chamber L-shape design, modular inputs on the main PCB.


Standard ATX PSU.
Specs: https://www.gigabyte.com/Power-Supply/GP-AE850PM-PG5-rev-10

Since at the current moment, there is no reputable review that has tested the PSU's protections, it's build quality is currently speculative. But based on the info thus far, it could be Tier A PSU. Still, proper review is needed to confirm it.
Otherwise, version 1.0 is ATX 3.0 and version 1.1 is ATX 3.1 (to replace 12VHPWR with 12-2x6).

Do you know if POP MINI AIR would benefit from L shape of Lian Li?
And thank you for appearing from thin air. Much appreciated - aitäh / aciu

Planned The build overview:

GPU	pulse 9070 XT
CPU	7 9800X3D
MOBO	MSI MAG B850M MORTAR WIFI
RAM	Kingston Fury Beast 64GB 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30
SSD	Samsung 990 Evo Plus Series 2TB PCIe Gen5 x2
PSU	Lian Li Edge EG0850 80 Plus Platinum 850W ATX 3.1
CASE	Fractal Design Pop Mini Air ARGB TG
COOLER black	DeepCool AK620 digital

 

[Aeacus]

Do you know if POP MINI AIR would benefit from L shape of Lian Li?

I'm unsure about Lian-Li PSU fitting in the PC case you are planning.

Since Lian-Li PSU has L-shaped design, making the overall PSU length 183mm. Pop Air Mini specs say up to 150mm PSU. But i think it is due to the 3. 5" HDD cage in place.
On this image here:

Direct link if image doesn't load: https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1-Pop-Mini-Image-D-copy.jpg
Source: https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ign-pop-mini-air-review-impressively-compact/

The protruding part of the PSU will hit the 3. 5" HDD tray, thus not fitting inside the PC case.
But you can remove the HDD tray easily.

At 3:20 in this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWa-Lz-j9w


Still, cable management would be tedious. Since PSU is mounted fan facing downwards, the L-shape would be at the top. Best to connect all cables to the PSU before sliding the PSU in.

Other components look nice.
Btw, isn't DeepCool sanctioned by the US/EU due to the shenanigans they did? 🤔

 

[IJIN]

Btw, isn't DeepCool sanctioned by the US/EU due to the shenanigans they did? 🤔

Wasn't aware but I'll look into it. That be a shame though, love the visuals of digital ak620..

 

[Aeacus]

Wasn't aware but I'll look into it. That be a shame though, love the visuals of digital ak620..

Still sanctioned,
link: https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/Details.aspx?id=49499

Article about it: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-to-russia-fueling-its-war-efforts-in-ukraine
And latest development (back in 2024): https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ficial-statement-in-response-to-us-sanctions/

Still, once sanctioned, it is nigh-impossible to get out of the sanctions.

 

[IJIN]

Trying to replace deepcool.
Any opinion on alpenfohn brocken 4 max ? Similar price

 

[NightHawkRMX]

At this point I would still avoid Gigabyte PSUs, although they do have plenty of models that probably aren't bad.

Their behavior the last time they had a defective PSU with the exploding P850GM units was to more or less refuse a full safety recall and constantly deny the well documented issue. This situation does not make me think Gigabyte would support their products well if you ran into a problem with their unit.

 

[Aeacus]

Any opinion on alpenfohn brocken 4 max ? Similar price

Did find two reviews but neither was reputable. Also, reviews were very small scope, comparing 2 other coolers to it, one of them being AMD Wraith (stock cooler with some AMD chips).
I'd rather get CPU cooler that has reputable review, where it is compared against many other coolers for better comparison.

If you want king of air coolers, then look no further than Thermalright.

King of air coolers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 (and it's variants),
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-evo-argb-cpu-air-cooler/6.html

Will beat several AIOs and even the former king, Noctua NH-D15.

Value king of air coolers: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 (and it's variants),
review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se/2

Weaker than Phantom Spirit, but also cheaper. Making it value king.

There is 140mm variant of the Peerless Assassin 140 as well,
review: https://hwbusters.com/cooling/thermalright-peerless-assassin-140-black-review/9/

So, if you want best price-to-performance ratio with air coolers, look no further than Thermalright. Thermalright is the new Noctua in air cooling scene.
Lineup: https://thermalright.com/product-category/heatsink/c-dual-towers/

Phantom Spirit 120 EVO is the same price as that Alpenföhn (that brand i hear 1st time), while Peerless Assassin 120 is far cheaper.
Pcpp (DE): https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/g6DQzy,BRMMnQ,F4nXsY,BK3WGX/

I, personally, like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 Digital Black and i'd love to get it to cool my upcoming R7 9800X3D. But sadly, availability in my area is non-existent. So, i may need to end up with the regular Peerless Assassin 120 SE or Phantom Spirit 120 EVO.

At this point I would still avoid Gigabyte PSUs, although they do have plenty of models that probably aren't bad.

Their behavior the last time they had a defective PSU with the exploding P850GM units was to more or less refuse a full safety recall and constantly deny the well documented issue. This situation does not make me think Gigabyte would support their products well if you ran into a problem with their unit.

True.

I'd be wary of the Gigabyte AORUS Elite P850W as well, since as long as there isn't proper review to test PSU's protections, it could very well be the 2nd P850GM saga in the making.

At these specs I don't really have other options... Would have to change power or rating..

Surely you would have availability for Corsair RM850x or RM850i? Or Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME in 850W capacity?

Same price = 130euros?

Thee solid PSUs to choose from within the price range,
pcpp (DE): https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/PTBhP6,nhC48d,7tXV3C/

Be Quiet! 1000W and MSI 850W - Tier A
Thermaltake 850W - Tier A+

 

[IJIN]

Ok, I would have to downgrade to GOLD from PLATINUM but that gives me many more options:

MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 100 euro
MSI MPG A850G 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro
Seasonic G12 GM FM 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro
Seasonic G12 GC RT2 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro
Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 80 Plus Gold 850W 120 euro
be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 80 Plus Gold 850W 140 euro
Corsair RM850x Shift (or non-shift) 80 Plus Gold 850W 150 euro

Recommendation?

 

[IJIN]

King of air coolers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 (and it's variants),

Ok, I have ThermalRight Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB available, but it costs half the alpenfohn brocken 4. Only 45euros. So much cheaper but actually better?

 

[Aeacus]

MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 100 euro - Tier B.
MSI MPG A850G 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro - Tier ??? Not the same as MPG A850GS.
Seasonic G12 GM FM 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro - Tier C+
Seasonic G12 GC RT2 80 Plus Gold 850W 100 euro - Tier C+
Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 80 Plus Gold 850W 120 euro - Tier A+
be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 80 Plus Gold 850W 140 euro - Tier A
Corsair RM850x Shift (or non-shift) 80 Plus Gold 850W 150 euro - Tier A+

Regular RMx depends on the release year. If 2015 or 2018 model, then Tier A. If 2021 or 2024 model, then Tier A+.

Thermaltake or regular RMx, doesn't matter which one.

Note: RMx Shift is unique design, just like Lian-Li was. But vastly different. Your PC case does not have enough cable management space to re-route power cables from PSU to anywhere else. Unless you leave the back panel completely off.

but it costs half the alpenfohn brocken 4. Only 45euros. So much cheaper but actually better?

Yes.
Read the reputable TechPowerUp review i linked.

Or if your want the other end of the air coolers, price wise, then look how much Noctua NH-D15 G2 costs,
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/noctua-nh-d15-g2-cpu-cooler/6.html

It is a bit better than Phantom Spirit 120 SE, but at what cost?

 

[NightHawkRMX]

If you can afford it, regardless of the year of that RMx I would go that route, and non shift to make things easier. They're very high quality units with a very robust warranty and a company that offers above average technical and warranty support in my experience.

If you want to spend less the MSI a850GL unit has a pretty good reputation and offers good value. Similarly to Corsair the company offers pretty decent warranty/support. That unit is all you really need for your system and most future upgrades.

Thermalright is excellent value in any case, I recently completed a built using a royal pretor 130, which is essentially the best air cooler on sale and it's still not very expensive, although probably worse value than a peerless assassin 120/140. For air cooling, I do not look to anyone but thermalright at this point in time. If you were going liquid route, Arctics liquid freezer lineup is excellent.

 

[Aeacus]

If you want to spend less the MSI a850GL unit has a pretty good reputation and offers good value.

PSU is not the component where to save money from. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! Also, never buy used PSU either.

€20 diff between Tier B and Tier A+ is a vast difference build quality wise and no-one should skimp on PSU's quality.

OP's PSU budget is €130, which is more than a Thermaltake GF1 costs. Not to mention huge savings on CPU cooler part, if OP is going with Thermalright.

 

[IJIN]

PSU Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 80 Plus Gold 850W 123euros
MSI MAG A850GL 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 119euros
MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 98euros (????)
Recommendation?

I was already settled on thermaltake, but after reading Aeacus comments... started to consider MSI. I don't have a budget for psu as such... 90-140is fine..

 

[NightHawkRMX]

PSU is not the component where to save money from. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
Hence why NEVER cheap out on PSU! Also, never buy used PSU either

I would agree if saving the money got a unit that was significantly lower quality. In this case the tiers are arbitrary and the MSI a850gl is still very good quality, will work just as well, and last a very long time. Main drawback may be slightly louder fan, but still probably quieter than the rest of the computer.

 

[IJIN]

I don't understand the difference between
MSI MAG A850GL 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 119euros
MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 98euros (????)
If PCIE5 II supposedly newer.. why so much cheaper? I don't get it..

So, wait.. I understand correctly that it's universally agreed that Corsair RM850x is amazing and if I take it I have nothing to worry about anymore? They're on discount and I can get it for 144euros (I can pay for peace of mind)... I don't know what's the year of manufacturing is though..

 

[Aeacus]

I was already settled on thermaltake, but after reading Aeacus comments... started to consider MSI.

Why would you consider lower quality PSU? 🤔 Is €20 really that much to get worse PSU?

I'll say it again: Either Thermaltake GF1 or Corsair RMx. Both are Tier A+ PSUs. Great quality units. Will last you easy 10 years.

PSU Tier list too (which i forgot to link before): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...aSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?pli=1&gid=1973454078#

I don't understand the difference between
MSI MAG A850GL 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 119euros
MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 98euros (????)
If PCIE5 II supposedly newer.. why so much cheaper? I don't get it..

Difference is, that one A850GL is PCI-E 5 version 1. And another is A850GL PCI-E 5 version 2.

Comparison: https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/Pr...NTBHTC1QQ0lFNQ==,TUFHLUE4NTBHTC1QQ0lFNS1JSQ==

What the actual difference between the two is - i can't tell. Other than the cheaper one seems to be newer, revision 2 PSU. But why MSI did that - i don't know.

Unless.... 🤔 the A850GL PCI-E 5 II is the cost-down version of the original series. Hence the cheaper price. But if so, it could be very bad, since when PSU isn't good to begin with, it's cost-down version is even worse.

It has happened before, many times. Where manufacturer 1st makes a decent product, it gets reviewed and builds good reputation, for then to produce cheaper and inferior version of it, in hopes that the consumers won't tell a difference.
One such big scandal was Gigabyte with it's MoBo revisions. Further reading: https://web.archive.org/web/2015022...hing-it-a-motherboard-revision-too-far,3.html

Personally, i'd avoid the cheaper A850GL PCI-E 5 II like a plague. Since if it really is cost-down version of original A850GL PCI-E 5 (which is Tier B), then the "newer" PSU could very well end up as Tier C or even worse. After all, there are 0 reviews of it to state otherwise.

In this case the tiers are arbitrary and the MSI a850gl is still very good quality

I guess we have a vastly different understanding what is "very good quality". 🙄
I would not call a PSU with poorly tuned protections, mediocre transient response and low quality fan, as "very good quality".

If you call A850GL as "very good quality", then what you call Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 Noctua Edition? (Review). "Divine immanence"? Something else?

 

[IJIN]

I appreciate the thoughts. Last question if I may.

Corsair RM850x 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.1 144 euros.

Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 80 Plus Gold 850W 123 euros. Both equally solid units then? Paying extra 20 for corsair is only personal preference?

 

[Aeacus]

Both equally solid units then? Paying extra 20 for corsair is only personal preference?

Yes, both are solid PSUs.

Well, Corsair is more known with better availability and their customer support is also good (have used it several times). Don't know about Thermaltake customer support though. Personally, i'd go with Corsair. Paying €20 extra for good customer support goes a long way.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

A caution with the Toughpower, I do not know which model you will actually get when you order that.

The one which is rated high on the tier list and well reviewed is the legacy 2019 or so model. The GF1 was "updated" in 2024 and now is most likely a very different PSU (length is different meaning platform must have changed). The one pictured at the provided link appears to be the old version, but I do not know if Thermaltake is still making the old model alongside of the new one. If Thermaltake has discontinued the prior model, the retailer is either clearing out old stock (which is bad since PSUs do not like sitting without power) or you'll get the newer model (which is bad since it may not be the same quality).

Another caution with that listing, the model number provided on that site is PS-TPD-0850FNFAGE-H which is NOT a GF1, its a GF A3, which does not line up with the pictured model and is lower quality than the GF1.

Theres just a lot of red flags there.

 

[IJIN]

I'll go with Corsair RM850x 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.1 for 144euros.

If anyone is interested, this is what I've settled on for the build:

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
MSI MAG B850M Mortar Wifi
Kingston Fury Beast 32GB 2x16GB 6000MHz CL30 EXPO-XMP
Kingston Fury Renegade G5 2TB PCIe Gen5 x4 NVMe SSD
Corsair RM850x 80 Plus Gold 850W ATX 3.1 PCIE 5.1
Fractal Design Pop Mini Air ARGB TG
ThermalRight Phantom Spirit 120 SE
Sapphire RX 9070 XT nitro+ (have until Monday to ponder pulse vs nitro. Pulse is enough for my needs, and I hear it's excellent, but Nitro+ would be the visual "hook" of the PC, rbg otherwise will be minimal)

PRICE: €2100

I want a compact yet somewhat powerful gaming PC within logical budget. Key is quality and peace of mind. My current PC, I bought 9 years ago and it was very well built (by chillblast - UK) Although I didn't do even a fraction of research that I' m doing with this new one. I guess I got very lucky. This next one will be built in Spain.