Compiler effect on FPU of P4 and AXP/Thunderbird

[juin]

We all know that SISOFT crown P4 for the fastest FPU unit.Also SPECperfFP also put P4 as world leading FPU.

This how to make a P4 performe on any FPU intense apps or game.

MS compiler Dont help at all P4 it will be good to know why.
P6 with the new compiler of MS just make the P6 just slower.

On AMD side gain from Ms compiler are really big a overall of 30%.ACE hardware say is due to more paralle instruction, it will be good to have some official comment of MS.

And the big thing Intel own compiler for is baby (p4)

The normal version ca not really do better that Ms the wole thing change when is come to is beta version who can do SSE2+vertorized.Score are 2.2X faster on some test and or test like the test 7 who is suppost to be in many pro apps dont seem to be way faster.

This the result of Pure FPU some test was win by AXP and some by P4.They also talk about memory subsysteme limit, DDR 2100 on a P4 northwood have reach is limit (allready).



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[AMD_Man]

I hardly understood what you said juin but anyway:

We all know that SISOFT crown P4 for the fastest FPU unit.

No actually, the Athlon XP's FPU is around 2.5X faster than the P4's according to SiSoft Sandra.

Also SPECperfFP also put P4 as world leading FPU.

Not because of the FPU...



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[Schmide]

Basically the MS compiler does not perform automatic vectorization, while the Intel compiler will analyze the loop structures and produce SSE/SSE2 compatible instructions.

With out a doubt, Athlon’s x86 FPU is the fastest often producing 2 to 3 parallel FPU instructions per clock. i.e. the 2.5x number. Add the XP SSE and 3dnow compatible FPU system that may under certain cache situations outperform Intel’s.

Then the final card in the deck SSE2, twice the pack size twice the precision. On a high throughput bus, it just can’t be beat.

It is as fair to say AMD has a 2.5x FPU, as it is to claim that Intel wears a FPU crown that puts it leaps and bounds ahead of AMD. I would say the flagships from Intel and AMD perform remarkably close despite their radically different cache and pipeline architectures.

Will Microsoft adopt an auto-vector unit into their compilers? Who knows? The real question is, if a company like Bill’s incorporates such a technology, will it grow to include 3dnow and will the programmers become too lazy to understand and optimize their own data?

 

[ath0mps0]

The real question is, if a company like Bill’s incorporates such a technology, will it grow to include 3dnow and will the programmers become too lazy to understand and optimize their own data?

What do you mean WILL they become too lazy? :lol:

 

[Schmide]

What do you mean WILL they become too lazy?

Most (All) programmers are lazy. To properly use streaming/vectorized instructions it takes more than just calling the appropriate function. You have to design your data to fit your code. There may be some speed up done by auto-vectorizing code, but I guarantee it will never compete with hand coded instructions.

 

[juin]

No actually, the Athlon XP's FPU is around 2.5X faster than the P4's according to SiSoft Sandra

Standart test FPU of a northwood/willi is near 3700.
Not because of the FPU...

SSE2



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[juin]

Basically the MS compiler does not perform automatic vectorization, while the Intel compiler will analyze the loop structures and produce SSE/SSE2 compatible instructions.

If you have read all the test.You have see that Intel compiler make a auto vectorization for SSE2 SSE MMX so not only P4 but all actual CPU except maybe VIA.Also it a plug who can be use with MS compiler who do more parralle instruction good for K7. Everyone gain from new compiler.

So why not use MS with intel plug-ins?

Maybe someone can anserwer this does intel compiler is free and how hard to use?

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[Raystonn]

The Intel C/C++ Compiler is available for free on Linux and for a free 30-day trial for Windows. The Windows version is a plugin where you check a box in VC++ and it uses the Intel compiler rather than the Microsoft one when you hit the normal Build button(s). The Intel compiler comes only with the compiler. The libraries that are used are still the ones that come with VC++. All VC++ command-line options are supported by the Intel compiler, so it will plug right in without any problems after running the installer.

<A HREF="http://www.intel.com/software/products/eval/" target="_new">http://www.intel.com/software/products/eval/</A>

-Raystonn


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[juin]

So there is no reason why all new software come with SSE2.

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[juin]

So there is no reason for all the new software to come with SSE2/SSE .

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[Kelledin]

So there is no reason for all the new software to come with SSE2/SSE .

Ummm...I assume you're saying that there's no reason <i>not</i> to compile with Intel's plugin?

Well, for Windows, it does cost money after the 30-day trial. Commercial developers can't get away from that; if they want to sell a product precompiled with the Intel compiler, they have to pay for the compiler. Linux developers can't get away from that either; Intel's Linux C/C++ compiler is only free in Linux for non-commercial use.

<i>If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does it still cost four figures to fix?

 

[IIB]

Actually guys the K-7 is being held back by today’s software as much as the P4.
P6 made code just don’t have enough Instruction-Level parallelism to make significant gains from Athlons two FPU units (the FADD and FMUL)… this is also true for the ALU of P4 and K-7.

the K7 was a huge boast in parallel execution of x86/87 code and thus up to today most software don’t know how to take full advantage of both P4 nor K7 execution units.

this us due to lack of p7 compilers...
Visual studio .net is out btw...
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