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[Paul]

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Sorry but everyone has to start somewhere :-(
I'm interested in the possibilities of overclocking an AMD XP2800+ (barton
core) cpu on a SOYO KT600 M/B, also a Radeon 9600 256mb. Could someone
please point me in the direction of a reliable and reasonably easy to
understand website so i can gain more basic knowledge rather than pester you
all with generalised questions that a bit of reading would solve, many
thanks Paul

 

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:43:18 +0100, PAUL wrote:

> Sorry but everyone has to start somewhere :-(
> I'm interested in the possibilities of overclocking an AMD XP2800+ (barton
> core) cpu on a SOYO KT600 M/B, also a Radeon 9600 256mb. Could someone
> please point me in the direction of a reliable and reasonably easy to
> understand website so i can gain more basic knowledge rather than pester you
> all with generalised questions that a bit of reading would solve, many
> thanks Paul

I'm sure there's websites out there, but I've never looked for them.The
cpu core speed setting is controlled by only 2 things. It's real simple in
basic form. Multiplier times FSB = cpu speed. That's it in a nutshell. if
your cpu isn't multiplier locked (newer ones are, a whole nother story)
then just raise the multiplier in the bios, jumper, or by whatever means
your MB supports. If it doesn't have this feature, use the pinmod, mod the
multiplier on the cpu, or whatever other way out of many you want to use.
The 2800+ barton default multiplier is 12.5 x 166.67Mhz FSB for a default
speed of 2083MHz.. Youi could also raise the FSB, but be aware that
changing the multipler affects only the cpu speed, while changing the FSB
will affect your other bus speeds. Even lowering it to run slower may
screw the other buses up enough where it won't boot. This depends on many
factors and I'm not even going to get into that. If you want to try
raising the FSB speed, do it in small steps of 2-5. Note that you also may
need to raise vcore from the default 1.65v to get it to run faster. A
short things affected by FSB changes are, ram, all PCI devices, and AGP
ports.

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

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"Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
news😛an.2004.07.20.21.33.18.124827@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:43:18 +0100, PAUL wrote:
>
> > Sorry but everyone has to start somewhere :-(
> > I'm interested in the possibilities of overclocking an AMD XP2800+
(barton
> > core) cpu on a SOYO KT600 M/B, also a Radeon 9600 256mb. Could someone
> > please point me in the direction of a reliable and reasonably easy to
> > understand website so i can gain more basic knowledge rather than pester
you
> > all with generalised questions that a bit of reading would solve, many
> > thanks Paul
>
> I'm sure there's websites out there, but I've never looked for them.The
> cpu core speed setting is controlled by only 2 things. It's real simple in
> basic form. Multiplier times FSB = cpu speed. That's it in a nutshell. if
> your cpu isn't multiplier locked (newer ones are, a whole nother story)
> then just raise the multiplier in the bios, jumper, or by whatever means
> your MB supports. If it doesn't have this feature, use the pinmod, mod the
> multiplier on the cpu, or whatever other way out of many you want to use.
> The 2800+ barton default multiplier is 12.5 x 166.67Mhz FSB for a default
> speed of 2083MHz.. Youi could also raise the FSB, but be aware that
> changing the multipler affects only the cpu speed, while changing the FSB
> will affect your other bus speeds. Even lowering it to run slower may
> screw the other buses up enough where it won't boot. This depends on many
> factors and I'm not even going to get into that. If you want to try
> raising the FSB speed, do it in small steps of 2-5. Note that you also may
> need to raise vcore from the default 1.65v to get it to run faster. A
> short things affected by FSB changes are, ram, all PCI devices, and AGP
> ports.

Hm, I just looked into to it, and if you can change the agp volts, I'm
guessing
you can also lock the pci/agp to 33/66 as well.
Just set this to 33/66 if needed, some boards will turn this up with cpu fsb
unless you set it, then it stays where you set it.
My Asus A7N8X is set this way, I do get a little better performance doing
a small overclock to pci/agp, but @ about 1-5% is not enough that I care.
And by the way, which DRAGON MB do you have?
From the way it seems looking @ them, you can lock down
the agp/pci to 66/33 on almost all of them.
For me though, I would rather get Asus or "Gigabyte with (Dual Bios)
Denny. 🙂

> --
> Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

[Paul]

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Many thanks yes the cpu is locked (well at the moment), the board is the
KT600 dragon ultra looking in the bios settings it appears to allow me to
lock the pci/agp (by SPD?) or alter them accordingly. It also seems to give
me the facility to change several voltage settings i'm just reluctant to
start altering them before i know exactly what they do.
Which software would be generally regarded as the best way to benchmark it
so that i can compare improvement against risk?
Paul

"Dennis E Strausser Jr" <dstrausser33@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
> news😛an.2004.07.20.21.33.18.124827@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:43:18 +0100, PAUL wrote:
> >
> Hm, I just looked into to it, and if you can change the agp volts, I'm
> guessing
> you can also lock the pci/agp to 33/66 as well.
> Just set this to 33/66 if needed, some boards will turn this up with cpu
fsb
> unless you set it, then it stays where you set it.
> My Asus A7N8X is set this way, I do get a little better performance
doing
> a small overclock to pci/agp, but @ about 1-5% is not enough that I care.
> And by the way, which DRAGON MB do you have?
> From the way it seems looking @ them, you can lock down
> the agp/pci to 66/33 on almost all of them.
> For me though, I would rather get Asus or "Gigabyte with (Dual Bios)
> Denny. 🙂
>

 

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:25:11 +0100, PAUL wrote:

> Many thanks yes the cpu is locked (well at the moment), the board is the
> KT600 dragon ultra looking in the bios settings it appears to allow me to
> lock the pci/agp (by SPD?) or alter them accordingly. It also seems to give
> me the facility to change several voltage settings i'm just reluctant to
> start altering them before i know exactly what they do.

I'd be very careful if I were you. The KT600 chipset doesn't have a PCI
lock, so unless Soyo has found an external way to do this, the PCI bus
won't lock. There is no "by SPD" associated with the pci bus. That's a
term used for the ram bus where the manufacturer speed settings are read
from rom on the ram board and sets the ram bus accordingly. As for
altering voltages, well, that depnds on where they are now. you might do
damage to the ram if you go over 2.6/2.7v. Raising vcore shouldn't damage
anything unless you raise it so much the cpu starts getting too hot.

> Which software would be generally regarded as the best way to benchmark
> it so that i can compare improvement against risk? Paul
>
Don't worry about benchmarks. Make sure your system is stable after
overclocking it. I'd start with memtest booted from floppy or cd before I
hooked my HD back up (which you should disconnect while overclocking to be
on the safe side). Then if it test ok, run prime95. Watch your cpu temps.

--
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http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

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"Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
news😛an.2004.07.21.08.03.45.637295@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:25:11 +0100, PAUL wrote:
>
> > Many thanks yes the cpu is locked (well at the moment), the board is the
> > KT600 dragon ultra looking in the bios settings it appears to allow me
to
> > lock the pci/agp (by SPD?) or alter them accordingly. It also seems to
give
> > me the facility to change several voltage settings i'm just reluctant to
> > start altering them before i know exactly what they do.
>
> I'd be very careful if I were you. The KT600 chipset doesn't have a PCI
> lock, so unless Soyo has found an external way to do this, the PCI bus
> won't lock. There is no "by SPD" associated with the pci bus. That's a
> term used for the ram bus where the manufacturer speed settings are read
> from rom on the ram board and sets the ram bus accordingly. As for
> altering voltages, well, that depnds on where they are now. you might do
> damage to the ram if you go over 2.6/2.7v. Raising vcore shouldn't damage
> anything unless you raise it so much the cpu starts getting too hot.
>
> > Which software would be generally regarded as the best way to benchmark
> > it so that i can compare improvement against risk? Paul
> >
> Don't worry about benchmarks. Make sure your system is stable after
> overclocking it. I'd start with memtest booted from floppy or cd before I
> hooked my HD back up (which you should disconnect while overclocking to be
> on the safe side). Then if it test ok, run prime95. Watch your cpu temps.
>
> --
> Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm
Hm, I don't know Wes.
I do know what some of the letters stand for in the name.
D. stands for Daul Channel Memory
R. I'm not sure.
A. Ac 97 Audio
G. I'm not sure on this one either.
O. Over Clocking
N. I'm not sure what this stands for either.

One thing I do know about the SOYO is it's supposed to be the best
or one of the best for overclocknig.
I have a Asus A7N8X board, I can set the multiplier .5 over default to 14
on my 2200+ but I find I get a better Overclock on or near stock
Multiplier.
If it is true that you can set your agp to 66, I would do it if I were you.
Don't set it to auto. Or that will be turned up as you turn up fsb.
The memory settings, it's good to let this one go up, if your memory
will take it.
As "Wes" with the KT600 said though, unless SOYO unlocked this, you cant set
the agp to 66.
Only reason I would think you can, is if you can change your agp voltage,
I would think
you can change it's bus as well.

Voltages, don't let it scare you.
Only set this up .1 at a time for both ram and cpu, most times you will only
need.
1.7 or 1.8 vcore hm, I don't remember stock for AMD cpu's.
+ by .1 - .2 2.6 or 2.7 for ram, I've had my ram running 2.8 already.
but it didn't help much.
I hope this helps you..
Denny. 🙂

 

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:59:41 -0400, Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote:

> Hm, I don't know Wes.

I do, that's why I'm here.🙂

> I do know what some of the letters stand for in the name.
> D. stands for Daul Channel Memory
> R. I'm not sure.
> A. Ac 97 Audio
> G. I'm not sure on this one either.
> O. Over Clocking
> N. I'm not sure what this stands for either.
>
You've confused the board name with features. The D doesn't stand for dual
channel memory because that's impossible with the KT600 chipset. And even
though A seems to fit AC97, that's just a coincidence. Same for the O.🙂
Dragon is just a name. It has nothing to do with the features os the
board. Soyo has used the Dragon name for quite a few boards going back at
least as far as the KT266A chipset for AMD, and I don't know when they
started using it for the P4 boards, but they do. It's just a marketing
name.🙂

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

[Paul]

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This is from the soyo website:
D
Based on the latest memory technology, Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM offers
improved memory clock speed at 200/266/333/400 MHz
R
Built-in RAID technology provides IDE RAID 0,1 / 0+1 function for superior
storage performance while offering improved availability and reliability of
the information on disk
A
Experience surround sound with 4/6-channel hardware audio. Extended bracket
provides SPDIF optical and coaxial output for optimal digital sound
experience.
G
Universal AGP Pro offers high performance graphics capability ideal for 3D
mode
O
Overclocking friendly. With the help of SOYO Wizard On Hand, users can
improve system speed and performance by increasing BIOS setting in 1 MHz
increment. Hardware enthusiasts' favorite!
N
Built-in network 10/100 Ethernet that transmits information between
computers at speeds of 10 and 100 million bits per second (Mbps).
2
800Mhz FSB/Dual DDR/IEEE 1394 Firewire on board/Serial ATA/RAID

many thanks, successfully managed to start uping fsb system still stable and
temps only up 1degree (if that) so will continue a bit more will post
details if any use to anyone when i've got to what i think is a stable but
improved mark

"Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:59:41 -0400, Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote:
>
> > Hm, I don't know Wes.
>
> I do, that's why I'm here.🙂
>
> > I do know what some of the letters stand for in the name.
> > D. stands for Daul Channel Memory
> > R. I'm not sure.
> > A. Ac 97 Audio
> > G. I'm not sure on this one either.
> > O. Over Clocking
> > N. I'm not sure what this stands for either.
> >
> You've confused the board name with features. The D doesn't stand for dual
> channel memory because that's impossible with the KT600 chipset. And even
> though A seems to fit AC97, that's just a coincidence. Same for the O.🙂
> Dragon is just a name. It has nothing to do with the features os the
> board. Soyo has used the Dragon name for quite a few boards going back at
> least as far as the KT266A chipset for AMD, and I don't know when they
> started using it for the P4 boards, but they do. It's just a marketing
> name.🙂
>
> --
> Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:28:51 -0400, Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote:

> Ah, CPU-Z
> FSB is 173.6
> Bus Speed is @ 347.2

That's a data rate, the bus is 173.6MHz with 2 data nits per clock= 347.2
See The Real Front Side Bus in link below.

> If you want to know yours, go over to http://www.cpuid.com

I don't need no stinking sw to tell me what I configured.🙂

> Don't be running any other monitoring software when running CPU-Z
> it will most times get in the way of reading your system, or send temps
> way off what they really are.

I don't know if there's a CPU-Z for Linux anyway, which I run. Even if
there were, I don't need it.
>
> AMD's work @ 100/133/166/200 (FSB) x 2 = the Bus Speed Intel's work @
> 100/133.25/200 (FSB) x 4 = the Bus Speed I'm not sure why AMD decided to
> keep with the older methods, but I cant say I could complain.

Yeah, I know how it works. But the bus speed is still 200MHz for the
3200+, not 400MHz. There's nothing 400MHz about the bus, although the bus
is DDR, and so data troughput is the same as a 400MHz non DDR bus. I'm so
sick of the way they change these numbers to make things look bigger and
faster, it just makes me want to puke.

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

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"Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:28:51 -0400, Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote:
<Snip>
I e-mailed AMD to just find out which of us is right on
the FSB thing.
They are yet to get back to me.
By this point, this thread is getting so big, I don't care
which of us is right or wrong on it.
I just want to know for sure.

I might just e-mail Intel on this as well, I want to know why..
When they say 800 (FSB) why they don't just say 200 fsb.
and what the heck does this 200 x 4 help?
Only thing I can think of is this.

200 x 2 = 400 CPU 1
200 x 2 = 400 CPU 2
to a total of 800
To make it act more like there's really 2 CPU's
If there was no bottle neck, it would be like having 2 CPU's

What do you think on this?
Sorry for the change of servers, I ran out of bandwidth.
Denny. 🙂