Question Computer Questions Used or New?

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I've had this question bouncing around in my head which annoys me....

I've been wanting to build a "New" to me PC, Could I build/source a i9 12900k + RTX 3090 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) PC but I wasnt't sure if I should build it with a ~$2,850 budget (New) or go find a used one then swap out what I wanted and sell what I don't need...

I was going to build a i7 12700k + RTX 3080 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) But I am constantly wanting to swap between the 12700k and or the 12900k (but wasn't sure if I could fit a 12900k + RTX 3090 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) into my budget, also the 3090 Ti would be bought (Used) since trying to source a Mint/BNIB/Like New one will be a challenge/pain.... Same with the 3080 Ti, Same brand (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming)


I know I could build a brand new PC (i7 13700k + RTX 4080) But I rather take the older hardware instead of the newer hardware...
 

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a ~$2,850 budget (New)
Pros:
Everything is brand new and works.
Even if there are issues, you have warranty, so your can replace components (make RMA claim).

Cons:
Somewhat pricey.

or go find a used one then swap out what I wanted and sell what I don't need...
Pros:
Probably some money saved, IF you get lucky.

Cons:
A lot more time and effort wasted, to buy used PC, used parts, swap parts and sell the rest (if you even can sell the rest).
Used hardware is sold "as is", meaning there is 0 expectation of hardware being issue free and working as brand new.
No warranty. So, what hardware dies, will be your net loss.
Can end up costing more than brand new build. Since when hardware dies, you have to replace it, by buying replacement hardware.

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All-in-all, if you have plenty of time to deal with it and extra money to replace busted hardware, go with used stuff. But if you want reliability and redundancy (warranty), go with brand new build.

For example, i'm not rich enough to buy used hardware. Since there's always a chance it being either DOA or dying soon after, resulting me to fork out even more money. GPUs are especially prone to that, since market is flooded with ex-mining GPUs. And never buy an used PSU.
 
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Pros:
Everything is brand new and works.
Even if there are issues, you have warranty, so your can replace components (make RMA claim).

Cons:
Somewhat pricey.



Pros:
Probably some money saved, IF you get lucky.

Cons:
A lot more time and effort wasted, to buy used PC, used parts, swap parts and sell the rest (if you even can sell the rest).
Used hardware is sold "as is", meaning there is 0 expectation of hardware being issue free and working as brand new.
No warranty. So, what hardware dies, will be your net loss.
Can end up costing more than brand new build. Since when hardware dies, you have to replace it, by buying replacement hardware.

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All-in-all, if you have plenty of time to deal with it and extra money to replace busted hardware, go with used stuff. But if you want reliability and redundancy (warranty), go with brand new build.

For example, i'm not rich enough to buy used hardware. Since there's always a chance it being either DOA or dying soon after, resulting me to fork out even more money. GPUs are especially prone to that, since market is flooded with ex-mining GPUs. And never buy an used PSU.
I don't know if this helps but I am browsing places like Offerup, Cragislist, and maybe Facebook Marketplace.... I always play detective and ask some rather simple questions, like how long have you owned it and why are you selling the(PC Hardware)? Do you have the Receipt/E-Receipt? Also I ask how often was the CPU cleaned and Re-pasted, along with the GPU too....

If this also helps I found this 12900k PC on Craigslist for $1,900 (36% Off)

PC Seller: "My amazing computer that I used for photoshop, DaVinci resolve, lightroom, Premiere etc is up for sale. I'm moving to a single laptop since I need to travel often and work on the road. I also never installed any games so this is overkill for what I need. I had the 12900K undervolted so it drew very little power compared to stock and I was able to turn the fans way down and peaked at about 92 degrees on full load! The prices below are prices right now, not what I paid in late 2022. Taking about 36% off those prices"

Used 12900k PC If anyone was curious
 

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I've had this question bouncing around in my head which annoys me....

I've been wanting to build a "New" to me PC, Could I build/source a i9 12900k + RTX 3090 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) PC but I wasnt't sure if I should build it with a ~$2,850 budget (New) or go find a used one then swap out what I wanted and sell what I don't need...

I was going to build a i7 12700k + RTX 3080 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) But I am constantly wanting to swap between the 12700k and or the 12900k (but wasn't sure if I could fit a 12900k + RTX 3090 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) into my budget, also the 3090 Ti would be bought (Used) since trying to source a Mint/BNIB/Like New one will be a challenge/pain.... Same with the 3080 Ti, Same brand (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming)


I know I could build a brand new PC (i7 13700k + RTX 4080) But I rather take the older hardware instead of the newer hardware...
What's your monitor resolution?
 

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I always play detective and ask some rather simple questions, like how long have you owned it and why are you selling the(PC Hardware)? Do you have the Receipt/E-Receipt? Also I ask how often was the CPU cleaned and Re-pasted, along with the GPU too....
People lie.

If this also helps I found this 12900k PC on Craigslist for $1,900 (36% Off)
For me, if a PC hardware doesn't come with warranty, instant 50% off from MSRP. Since i have to take a risk on it's reliability.

But I rather take the older hardware instead of the newer hardware...
Are you really willing to pay far more money for a worse hardware? :rolleyes:

Which of the three would you buy,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/FFPQzy,HdPQzy,kVqPxr/

Your precious EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming RTX 3080 Ti, or Asus RTX 4070 Ti at half of the price? (Both brand new.)

RTX 3080 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/4115vs4146
RTX 3090 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3090-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/m1818101vs4146

No matter how you slice it, you can not get better deal on any of the RTX 30-series GPUs, compared to the RTX 40-series.
You will not find any RTX 3080 Ti/3090 Ti with the same price as RTX 4070 Ti costs brand new. And even if you do find RTX 3090 Ti at 800 bucks used, RTX 4070 Ti is still slightly better performance wise, and it is brand new, with a warranty.
 

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People lie.



For me, if a PC hardware doesn't come with warranty, instant 50% off from MSRP. Since it doesn't come with a warranty and i have to take a risk on it's reliability.



Are you really willing to pay far more money for a worse hardware? :rolleyes:

Which of the three would you buy,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/FFPQzy,HdPQzy,kVqPxr/

Your precious EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming RTX 3080 Ti, or Asus RTX 4070 Ti at half of the price? (Both brand new.)

RTX 3080 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/4115vs4146
RTX 3090 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3090-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/m1818101vs4146

No matter how you slice it, you can not get better deal on any of the RTX 30-series GPUs, compared to the RTX 40-series.
You will not find any RTX 3080 Ti/3090 Ti with the same price as RTX 4070 Ti costs brand new. And even if you do find RTX 3090 Ti at 800 bucks used, RTX 4070 Ti is still slightly better performance wise, and it is brand new, with a warranty.
The only reason I chose the 3080 Ti that I did was because EVGA was top of the line (ASUS too But I liked EVGA), when I planned this build.... circa 2019/mid 2020 and the RTX 3000 Series was very "High End" at that time so that's what I chose, plus EVGA doesn't make GPUs anymore so that was one of the reasons, Plus the whole 4000 series GPUs (RTX 4090/4080/4070) really came out at a bad time.... so that's kinda why I avoid the whole 40 series of GPUs + The whole RTX 4090 PSU Cables melting was another reason too
 

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https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Tempered-Computer-Included/dp/B0BN3SY5XW/
Lian Li Lancool 216 ARGB Mid Tower Computer Case $109.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/26rRsY/corsair-rm850x-2021-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020200-na
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM850x 850W 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $149.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8m6p99/msi-pro-z790-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-a-wifi
MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI $279.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xz8bt6/intel-core-i7-13700f-21-ghz-16-core-processor-bx8071513700f
Intel Core i7-13700F $379.98

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkFbt6/deepcool-ag620-bk-argb-6788-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag620-bkanmn-g-2
DeepCool AG620 BK ARGB Dual Tower CPU Cooler $52.98

Low profile RAM so it doesn't impede the cpu cooler.
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374430
G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series DDR5 6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 $136.99

O/S SSD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TwWfrH/samsung-970-evo-plus-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s500bam
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVME SSD $59.99

Storage SSD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fv8j4D/samsung-970-evo-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s2t0bam
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVME SSD $153.90

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yjYmP6/gigabyte-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-gv-n407tgaming-oc-12gd
Gigabyte RTX 4070 Ti OC 12GB Video Card (RGB) $819.99

Total: $2143.80

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804799755608.html
Lian-Li LANCOOL 216 ARGB Controller & USB Module (Black) $13.99

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-dvd903211-Windows-11-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ/
Microsoft Windows 11 Home (USB) $135.99

https://www.adorama.com/asvg27aq1a.html
ASUS TUF VG27AQL1A 27" 2560x1440 IPS HDR 170Hz G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor $299.00

Total: $2592.78



https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ag620-air-cooler

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AG620-BK-ARGB-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler/2022/16082.shtml


 
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The whole RTX 4090 PSU Cables melting was another reason too
User error. Well established by Nvidia and press (GamersNexus).

plus EVGA doesn't make GPUs anymore
EVGA had a fallout with Nvidia, hence why the stopped making GPUs.

when I planned this build.... circa 2019/mid 2020 and the RTX 3000 Series was very "High End" at that time so that's what I chose
That was 3-4 years ago. No old hardware ever competes against new/current hardware. You will be paying more money for a worse product either way, IF you go with old hardware.

Plus the whole 4000 series GPUs (RTX 4090/4080/4070) really came out at a bad time....
Bad time? :unsure: I'd say the release of RTX 40-series was at good time, since by the release, the cryptocurrency mining had a crash and GPU availability isn't that much of an issue, as it was with RTX 20- and 30-series, during the cryptocurrency mining craze. Not to mention the scalpers, who bought all available stock and sold the GPUs with 2-3 times more than MSRP was.
 

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Maybe I was overthinking a bit... I still want a 12th Gen Gaming PC, but I just don't know which CPU to go for... 12900k or 12700k / DDR4 or DDR5? And can I fit it into a $2,800 Budget (Minus the GPU)??

What was Nvidia thinking when they released the RTX 4090's Price, plus it's overall size..... Me who was happy with the RTX 3000 GPUs and still thinks that they are "High End".
 
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but I just don't know which CPU to go for... 12900k or 12700k
Comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-vs-Intel-Core-i9-12900K/4119vs4118

So, unless you absolutely need more cores, Core i7 is better value (since it's cheaper), while relative performance is equal between the two chips.

DDR4 or DDR5?
Further reading: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram

Since DDR5 RAM costs premium and doesn't offer as much performance boost, compared to the price increase, i'd stick with DDR4 RAM.

can I fit it into a $2,800 Budget (Minus the GPU)??
Here's one example build, all brand new with warranty:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($298.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($224.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($153.90 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ ASUS)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex III Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Total: $1837.78

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-05 10:37 EST-0500


Few words.

1000 bucks below your budget. Includes GPU (RTX 4070 Ti). Very good CPU cooler, 32 GB 3600 Mhz DDR4 RAM, loads of fast storage space, solid PSU and good PC case. Since choosing a PC case is personal choice, feel free to switch it out.

Me who was happy with the RTX 3000 GPUs and still thinks that they are "High End".
RTX 40-series is even "higher end". ;) Currently, The Highest End actually.
 
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If you DO buy a used system, the very first thing you do is to fully wipe and and all storage devices.
Then, proceed with a full fresh install of the OS.

Do not leave anything of the old users behind.
 
I've been wanting to build a "New" to me PC, Could I build/source a i9 12900k + RTX 3090 Ti (EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming) PC but I wasnt't sure if I should build it with a ~$2,850 budget (New) or go find a used one then swap out what I wanted and sell what I don't need...
That seems like a lot of effort. I would build a PC from scratch with the components that you want. $2.850 is a large budget, you can build a very good gaming PC for that money. I would build a brand new system with either a 12700K, 13700K or 7900X with an Nvidia 4070 Ti. The latter then gives you access to DLSS 3.0.

I know I could build a brand new PC (i7 13700k + RTX 4080) But I rather take the older hardware instead of the newer hardware...
Any particular reason?
 

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If you DO buy a used system, the very first thing you do is to fully wipe and and all storage devices.
Then, proceed with a full fresh install of the OS.

Do not leave anything of the old users behind.
Obviously I knew that.... I always wipe the OS to clear the previous owner's or owner(s) history
 

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I've also been wanting to learn how to Video Editing and learn to Code (Java, Java script, C, C++), and running Virtual Machines, But I do not know if a 12700k or a 12900k would be better in
 
Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($417.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($54.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($171.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory ($119.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1799.99 @ ASUS)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $2958.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-05 12:43 EST-0500


For gaming I would recommend this. Yes it is $100 over budget. But is lot more Powerful than RTX4080 or RTX3090Ti setup. I could have saved a bit and got it closer to $2850 by going with MSI GAMING X TRIO verion over the ASUS TUF GAMING GPU but that MSI GPU gets bit louder. If noise is not much of a concern you can get that instead.

For 1440p(future) or 2 x 1080p(current) gaming I say RTX4090 is worth that little bump in price.

Yes that CPU cooler is enough to run that i7 13700K at stock. And the Motherboard is good at pushing that CPU to its Non-OC limits.
 

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I really want to build a i9 12900k PC with an RTX 3090 Ti System, with either an EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming or an ASUS ROG Strix 3090 Ti while still staying on DDR4, besides DDR5 is still too expensive (For my budget) Also is there any advice on how to keep a 12900k cool out of the box? GPU too? I've heard of Under-volting but I'm not sure about how effective it will be.... Plus should I be under-volting out of box parts (New)?
 

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I really want to build a i9 12900k PC with an RTX 3090 Ti System, with either an EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming or an ASUS ROG Strix 3090 Ti while still staying on DDR4, besides DDR5 is still too expensive (For my budget) Also is there any advice on how to keep a 12900k cool out of the box? GPU too? I've heard of Under-volting but I'm not sure about how effective it will be.... Plus should I be under-volting out of box parts (New)?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand after reading your previous post on this thread is that you live in the US, have a budget of $2800, you are looking to upgrade from 1080P to 1440P and your primary uses will be gaming along with some coding.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gGH7YJ/intel-core-i9-12900k-32-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512900k
Intel Core i9-12900K $416.53

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134599/intel-core-i912900k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 241W

https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=Intel+Core+i7-13700
Intel Core i7-13700F $379.98
Intel Core i7-13700 $409.99
Intel Core i7-13700KF $398.88
Intel Core i7-13700K $417.99

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/2F30490/intel-core-i713700-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 219W



RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming
ASUS TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Video Card $799.99

 
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Yes.... most of that is true, but I just wanted some advice on which CPU on should go for in the PC I want... Couldn't decide between the 12700k or the 12900k? So I came here looking for "honest" advice, I would go ask on reddit, but I know that website tends too be full of trolls...

Plus I was looking to get the PC built w/o the GPU and add it later, because I know what I want, I just don't add it to PC Part Picker, just too expensive, wanted to get the GPU separately (Planned on buying Used, Having second thoughts....

About the older postings I've asked about in the past, How do I go about in deleting them? I wasn't thinking clearly when I made those, heh whoops :I
 
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