COMPUTEX: World of Warcraft on Moorestown

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I guess I have to research moorestown is this Windows future mobile platform? or is this a hardware platform? Damn it all once you start reading it's like you can never stop.
 
I did the research it's a new chip to replace snapdragon. Up to 1.5ghz. Well you can only expect these things to get faster. I can't wait to see what my 3 year old will use when he is 16. At this break neck mobile development speed god only knows. Or maybe the apocalypse will happen before then and he will be using sundials again. LOL.
 
I fail to see the excitement over a mobile chip running a 5 year old game in an unplayable fashion. I love WoW, but let's be honest: part of its success was Blizzard keeping the minimum specs low so anyone could play it.

Also, remember the phone was only pushing 800x480 or so, not quite the pixel count of a modern PC monitor even at the low end. And it STILL stuttered just from changing the POV with one character on the screen...

When mobiles can run WoW smoothly under normal gameplay, let me know. Cell phones have been able to play PC games with lots of stutter for a few years now... You can even play StarCraft on a WinMo phone.
 
quake 3 is a really old game on a good engine. WoW isn't quite as old and didn't have the carmacks brains behind it. Still cool Though. 10 years ago if someone told me quake 3 would be running on "phones" now I don't know if I'd believe it.
 
WoW is significantly CPU-bound even on a modern high-end PC, more so when there's a lot of other players around. It also renders a lot worse on OpenGL than it does on DirectX.

I suspect either or both of these issues can account for the discrepancy.
 
[citation][nom]towely[/nom]Figgus, did you ever play "Snake" on your Nokia 5190? If you did, this is pretty impressive.[/citation]
LOL i remember that game....those were the days...
 
Here we go again, for the eleventh million time, strolling around goldshire with a lvl 1 toon alone is Not playing WoW. That thing stands no chance whatsoever of being useful. Not to mention Cataclysm will surely push requirements further.
 
[citation][nom]figgus[/nom]I fail to see the excitement over a mobile chip running a 5 year old game in an unplayable fashion. I love WoW, but let's be honest: part of its success was Blizzard keeping the minimum specs low so anyone could play it.Also, remember the phone was only pushing 800x480 or so, not quite the pixel count of a modern PC monitor even at the low end. And it STILL stuttered just from changing the POV with one character on the screen...When mobiles can run WoW smoothly under normal gameplay, let me know. Cell phones have been able to play PC games with lots of stutter for a few years now... You can even play StarCraft on a WinMo phone.[/citation]
Despite the fact that WoW is a bit of a graphical push over now, it took a pretty decent PC to run it well when it first came out. I think the fact that you're so unimpressed by this accomplishment indicates that you may not be fully appreciative (or aware) of the capabilities of current gen mobile platforms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen a mobile SOC running a PC game as advanced as WoW at anything more then single digit frame rates, and that's only accomplished at very low graphics settings. All in all I think this is by far the best demonstration I've seen so far.

There's a huge leap in graphical complexity between Quake III and WoW, and there's a much greater leap when you consider the 2D RTS (that came out before Quake III) that you mentioned, "Star Craft". So, you're unimpressed by seeing WoW running on a phone because you've seen PC games like Star Craft on mobile platforms for years...? Again, there's a huge deference between those two games. Just half a year ago people were pretty impressed when they saw Quake III running on the droid, albeit at somewhat low frame rates (original Tegra ran it smoothly). Somehow I have a feeling the Tegra 2 will be a more capable gaming SOC then Moorestown, despite what may be a slower processor.

As for the demonstration, I lol'd at the lack of responsiveness from the touch screen interface. It didn't seem to work well on any of their demo units. I saw 2, 3, and sometimes 4 attempts at clicking or sliding until the unit responded... lol, and sometimes they just gave up and moved on.
 
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]Despite the fact that WoW is a bit of a graphical push over now, it took a pretty decent PC to run it well when it first came out. I think the fact that you're so unimpressed by this accomplishment indicates that you may not be fully appreciative (or aware) of the capabilities of current gen mobile platforms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen a mobile SOC running a PC game as advanced as WoW at anything more then single digit frame rates, and that's only accomplished at very low graphics settings. All in all I think this is by far the best demonstration I've seen so far.[/citation]
Hey, I can FLY without wings or an airplane. Yep, it's true, I can stay airborne under my own power without touching the ground or anything else.

If I jump up in the air as hard as I can, I can even stay airborne for a fraction of a second at a time! You should see how well I fly when I jump off the roof of my house...

There is a HUGE difference between doing something in a useful fashion and doing something only in the technical sense. This demo was stuttering at low res and with nothing else on the screen. It's not playable (spelled U-S-E-F-U-L-L) by any means.
 
If you look closely, yeah it can run WOW but at what frame rate? 10FPS? Please. The quake game is interesting, looks to be running quite fast, but even then the control scheme on devices like these make me cry and come back to my PC. Nothing beats a keyboard and mouse not even my own hands. Until my brain can do all the work i do not see this as ground breaking at all.
 
Right now on phones we have games like Zeus X, and Asphalt 5, that look pretty decent. I mean, current smartphones have graphic cards about 1/3rd as powerful as a PSP's. I figure with upcoming 45nm A9 based designs, we'll see a bump to at least 5 times the performance of current mobile GPUs, like PowerVR SGX GPUs capable of around 40 million triangles per second. Combined with the dual core CPU, and on-board RAM, and storage, this would likely put smartphones in a place where they can outperform a PS2 in gaming ability. And we're not talking about the distant future here. Tegra2, Moorestown, and possibly Qualcomm and Samsung based A9 mobile platforms will all be pushing around 80 million triangles per second soon.

Now, considering that the screen resolution that needs to be rendered is only like 480 by 854, if someone programed specifically for the smartphones... we'd be able to see some pretty damn good looking games.

Thinking about this, something that would translate easily to touchscreens would be a MMO like WoW. I've played one handed plenty of times, using only mouse to click ability buttons, and click to move. On a touch screen I could press ability buttons with my finger, and touch the screen where I want to move. Camera panning by touching touch and drags... it'd be as simple as a web browser. Double tap to move, drag to pan camera, icon button presses... I figure they could add gesture support too (like seen in browsers like Dolphin HD).

FFXI had WoW level graphics and ran fine on the PS2. If someone actually programmed an MMO for these upcomming A9 smartphones, it would run better!

I hope a company like Blizzard looks at this, and has the light bulb go off. I mean, seriously. Well, maybe not... a rich MMO experience on a smartphone would likely result in some ridiculous all night bedroom gaming sessions on my part, that won't be healthy to the rest of my life.
 
[citation][nom]figgus[/nom]Hey, I can FLY without wings or an airplane. Yep, it's true, I can stay airborne under my own power without touching the ground or anything else.If I jump up in the air as hard as I can, I can even stay airborne for a fraction of a second at a time! You should see how well I fly when I jump off the roof of my house...There is a HUGE difference between doing something in a useful fashion and doing something only in the technical sense. This demo was stuttering at low res and with nothing else on the screen. It's not playable (spelled U-S-E-F-U-L-L) by any means.[/citation]
Okay, thanks for clarifying, and spelling it out "U-S-E-F-U-L-L"... lol. To abbreviate, I was just trying to say your argument, citing Star Craft, didn't make a whole lot of sense, making no mention of usefulness.
 
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]Okay, thanks for clarifying, and spelling it out "U-S-E-F-U-L-L"... lol. To abbreviate, I was just trying to say your argument, citing Star Craft, didn't make a whole lot of sense, making no mention of usefullness.[/citation]
Fair enough. Let me address that in a more direct fashion.

PC games have been on phones for a while now. Starcraft is a PC game that is on phones right now. Another PC game simply running on a phone right now is just not impressive. A 5 year old game running at low res with lots of stutter and nothing in the environment is not impressive.

A current game running at reasonable framerates on a phone right now IS impressive. Something like that will revolutionize gaming for a lot of people.

I have a 4870 vid card and play wow smoothly at 2560x1600x32 with everything maxxed out except shadows even in raids. A phone running at 800x480x16 is only about 5% (4.6875%) of the actual data per frame, and the phone can't do that with low gfx settings and an empty environment without stuttering.

Not impressive.

 
WoW still cant be run on full graphics(shadows on in a raid with good FPS) unless you have a real expensive computer. Last time i played with shadows on i was getting sub 30fps out in the open world( no combat) with an OC'ed 920 and a gtx 260 GPU(this was more then a year ago). in a raid that would drop way below playable. Like the above post said just siting in the starting zone isn't playing wow try raiding something on older computers it will stress the system a lot more.

WoW is a lot more cpu intensive then normal games.
 
[citation][nom]figgus[/nom]It's not playable (spelled U-S-E-F-U-L-L) by any means.[/citation]

http://www.google.com/search?q=usefull&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:

"Did you mean: useful"?

(URL won't work right because of emoticons. *sigh* )
 
If you aren't impressed by this because it doesn't run smoothly, that's fine but realize they aren't trying to show it off as being capable of that. They're showing it's capable of running slowly in a starting zone. That's a big step from current platforms and it will get many WoW players excited to think that they can level up, do professions, whatever else small things from a mobile device. This isn't just any 5 year old game we're talking about. If I wanted to play something like this on-the-go I'd personally use something like an m11x or a tm2, but for mobile phones, this IS big.
 
[citation][nom]ncr7002[/nom]Here we go again, for the eleventh million time, strolling around goldshire with a lvl 1 toon alone is Not playing WoW. That thing stands no chance whatsoever of being useful. Not to mention Cataclysm will surely push requirements further.[/citation]

That's a ridiculous way of seeing this technology. Many times I would love to check my mail, create my daily transmute with alchemy, and go to the Auction House while away from home--something to do during lunchbreak. Then, it is pure play time when I am on the PC and I don't have to worry about emptying my bags or auctioning junk. You don't need a phone that can handle raids and dungeons, it's not like they have enough buttons for all your abilities anyway.
 
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