Conditional Orders 2005

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There was a thread in 1995 "Conditional Orders" which gave a few
examples of conditional orders.

Has anyone used these and what were the circumstances?

I looking at ways to avoid slowing down a no-press game while I am
away.

Jono

 

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417 wrote:
> There was a thread in 1995 "Conditional Orders" which gave
> a few examples of conditional orders.
>
> Has anyone used these and what were the circumstances?
>
> I looking at ways to avoid slowing down a no-press game
> while I am away.

I know of no-one who has ever used them. The only
circumstances in which I can envision using them would
be for Retreats and Adjustments for the Phase that is
about to process. I suppose that if I was near elimination,
I might be able to lay out moves for several years, but it
still seems like you'd pretty rapidly end up with a condition
you hadn't specified coming into play to invalidate your
orders.

Eric.
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The Diplomacy 2000 site uses conditional orders and has FAQ sheets on this
issue http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk/dip2000/

Basically you order A Rom - Tus (Ven, Apu, Nap)
Build F Nap (A Ven, F Rom)
Disband F Tun (F NAO, A Tyr)

The brackets indicate retreats or builds/disbands in order of preference. I
can't imagine conditional orders a move ahead of time although Edi Birsan
champions them and postal players probably have insights here.

Personally I believe prelims are the way to go, although having played using
conditional moves once it is no too bad, but not what I prefer. As a GM I
have noticed that many players tend to NMR over reterats and builds rather
than moves, presumably because they don't read the adjudication properly.
Often the player submits next moves, but stubbornly ignores their vital
retreat move! Conditional moves would help prevent this sort of thing!

Dorian Love



"417" <cpu4174h@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There was a thread in 1995 "Conditional Orders" which gave a few
> examples of conditional orders.
>
> Has anyone used these and what were the circumstances?
>
> I looking at ways to avoid slowing down a no-press game while I am
> away.
>
> Jono

 

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"417" <cpu4174h@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c230bbd.0504191934.2cd24aa4@posting.google.com...
> There was a thread in 1995 "Conditional Orders" which gave a few
> examples of conditional orders.
>
> Has anyone used these and what were the circumstances?
>
> I looking at ways to avoid slowing down a no-press game while I am
> away.
>
> Jono


I have used them once on the judge. I was part of a 3-way coalition trying
to force Turkey into a draw, and I was going away for three weeks ahead of
the holiday season. We had already agreed what we needed to do to force the
draw, so it was just a case of grinding it out, with a couple of contingency
plans.

So I set a three week absence, sent a press to the master to tell him what I
was doing, and that I wished to vote yes in any draw. I submitted 3 turns
worth of conditional moves, and I told my allies that I had done so. So
because of the absence, there would be no deadlines until I got back, but I
would have orders in so that the next couple of turns could process without
me. If anything weird happened, like I was forced into an unexpected
retreat, then it would need to wait until I sorted out orders. And if my
allies thought that anything unexpected was happening, they could set wait,
and the game would be halted until I got home.

In the event, I had enough net access to check the game every couple of
days, and because of the huge gap until the next deadline, the game slowed
down somewhat anyway.


But my orders looked like this:

PHASE Spring 1908 Movement

A Nwy-StP
F Swe-Bot
A Den-Swe
A Kie-Ber
F Ber-Bal
A Mun S A Kie-Ber
A Ruh S A Mun


PHASE Fall 1908 Movement
A Ruh S A Mun

IF German Army Ber AND Turkish Army Sil AND Turkish Army Pru
F Bal S A Ber
A Ber S A Mun
A Mun S A Ber
ELSE IF German Army Ber AND NOT Turkish Army Pru
A Ber - Sil
F Bal - Pru
A Mun S A Ber-Sil
ELSE IF German Army Ber
A Ber S A Mun
F Bal S A Ber
A Mun S A Ber
ELSE IF German Army Kie
F Bal S A Kie-Ber
A Kie-Ber
A Mun S A Kie-Ber
ENDIF

IF German Army StP
F Bot S A StP
A StP H
A Swe H
ENDIF

IF German Army Nwy
A Nwy-StP
A Swe - Fin
F Bot S A Swe-Fin
ENDIF

PHASE Winter 1908 Adjustments
IF German Army Ber
Build A Kie
ELSE
Build A Ber
ENDIF

PHASE Spring 1909 Movement
A Ruh S A Mun

IF German Army Ber AND Turkish Army Sil AND Turkish Army Pru
F Bal S A Ber
A Ber S A Mun
A Mun S A Ber
A Kie S A Mun
ELSE IF German Army Ber AND NOT Turkish Army Pru
A Ber - Sil
F Bal - Pru
A Mun S A Ber-Sil
A Kie - Ber
ELSE IF German Army Ber
A Ber S A Mun
F Bal S A Ber
A Mun S A Ber
A Kie S A Mun
ELSE IF German Army Kie
F Bal S A Kie-Ber
A Kie-Ber
A Mun S A Kie-Ber
ENDIF

IF German Army StP
F Bot S A StP
A StP H
A Swe H
A Fin-Swe
ENDIF

IF German Army Nwy
A Nwy-StP
A Fin S Nwy-StP
F Bot S A Nwy-StP
ENDIF


Regards
Alan