Consoles vs PC (not for flame war)

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Well, PS4 came out, and the first reviews as well. And I noticed a thing:
the games are beautiful.

so far everyone says, PC are far more superior than consoles, but I do not see that
I think the biggest problem is that everyone compares them to far more powerful and expensive pc-s. I was thinking: I am making a PC to play game in high details for £500. I could buy a Xbone for less then £430 ( after a pricedrop and after the first problems). Does it really worth to buy a pc for gaming?
Everyone talks about 4K but I beileve it will be in the best form after the next gen (ps5) consoles.
For a while it will cost too much for a man

So I am looking for PC guys opinion about the consoles. What do you think, for gaming purposes and game streaming purposes, are they as good as a PC or better? Please give proper reasons, I think we grown up enough for it
 


yes, a low end gaming pc will stomp both console's. for US $400 you can build something that will run high settings at 60fps with extra graphics fx. we have the ability to mod our games for fun and our own patches, games are far far cheaper (can't remember the last time i payed more than $10 for a game) and finally, it allows you to do everything in one place the way it's meant to. no need to use a stick to move around in a browser, no storage woes, and if i want to keep up with the latest games i can add a new more powerful, or second gpu. now i ask: why would you choose any console? do you like the poor graphics? the long load times? or the fact that you can never actually play the way it's meant to (pssst: on a badass pc!).
 
i think that PC vs Console is a lost debate. U buy what you need not what other say is best.
I like the consoles, but the only games a play theese days is Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3... For me, the better option is a PC, unless they port SC 2 to the consoles (but then they have to add keyboard and mouse support for the consoles :)).
And another thing: when you play on a PC you play @ arround 1m distance from the monitor while when you play on a console you are @ arround 3m away... Visuals tend to change once you go further away from the monitor... What i want to say that you wont notice any difference between the 2 platforms, only if you look closer and "search" them carefully^^
 
I am a PC gamer, yes the PC is superior in every way but both have pros and cons. Consoles are great, you just plug them in and away you go. Everything is done automatically and everything works first time, they are so easy to use a 4 year old child can use them and she does lol. PC's are slightly more complicated for the novice user. There are more things that need to be done to set a game up, installing ect. PC's however can be upgraded and you can do a hell of a lot more for less cost. PC are not just gaming machines, you can do an endless number of things with them where as a console is a gaming rig only in a small box and is servery limited when it comes to anything else.

In short if you want nothing but a game of COD ect then a console is the way to go (for a year or maybe 2), For the same cost or maybe less you get the same gaming experience with a PC but are able to do homework, officework, painting and anything else you could think of. Also 2 years (if even that) down the line the console graphics are still the same where the PC usually is a lot better. Also games on the PC with the correct hardware will run at 60fps unlike the consoles 30fps (using ps3 as example).
 


I am not looking for opinions to buy them, because I will get a good PC and Xbone, because all my friends will get one, not pc-s


Actually misfitkid has some solid points there.but:
poor graphics: it seems that the next gen has a decent graphics, nearly PC level (compared to the $400 PC)
you dont need to buy new gpu there to keep up with the latest games
Sadly, I tend to see more and more, that games first designed to consoles, then to PC, if you check the controls for example
 

i say poor graphics because what xbox has shown looks terrible to me, i have both a ps3 and a 360 but i notice a difference every time i go back. for me the main beef is that you have to wait so long for a console to load, not everyone can afford an ssd but even using a green drive i see a massive difference! yes you certainly don't have to upgrade anything to keep playing. but you GET to.
 
well, yeah, at the very end of ps3/x360 they dont look that great. thats true
but the next gen seems good enough for me

anyway, what really bugs me and I hope steam will help are the games. There are only a few Driving, FPS and other AAA PC exclusives, for example GTA5 (I hope for a pc version. I hope) and Forza Horizon.
about upgrade that is an important thing for me. I tend to spend loads of money to upgrades every half year or so, and it eats all my money, whereas you cannot upgrade an xbox. and its not a that bad thing maybe in this case.
 
You man not need to buy a new gpu to keep up with the latest games when using a console, but that's largely because console games are built to stay within the limits of the console, not push limits so that people with extreme hardware can make the best of it. Also, a key point there is NEARLY PC level. Not at PC level, but nearly. People that have played console and PC for extended periods tend to notice that PC looks better. I had a friend come over when I was playing BF3 on an old rig, running at 800x700, on all lowest settings, and he said it looked better than on his xbox. Granted, he doesn't have the best TV, but I also was playing on a crap resolution so it evens out. Playing now in 1080p on ultra, guess which looks waaaay better? :)

I always say that PC's are for gamers that want the most in every way, and consoles are for more casual gamers that want to be able to just plop on the couch and play a couple rounds with a friend. One thing to note is that yes, consoles may offer a lot for the price at launch, but they don't get much better, and are often instantly outdated as soon as the next one rolls around. If you owned an xbox 360 and spent a lot of money on games, controllers, etc, what good is that now? Won't work with the xbone. Even new games like battlefield 4 or cod ghosts. Yeah its on current and next gen, but you need to copies. PC's don't get so quickly outdated, and well done components and software can last years. PC gamers can buy new games once for life. Plus, you can play all of the Battlefields on one system. Same thing for CODs.

TL;DR
PC's will always be able to look better, and have hardware pushed by games, not games limited by hardware like on a console.
Consoles, at least at the moment, are a better gaming platform for the technologically impaired. You just slide the disk in, and click on the big icon of the game. Plus, playing with friends and communication is quicker and more simplified.
PC=performance and options. Console=easy and adequate.

In the end it comes down to preference. I hate gaming on a controller myself, and want to get the best performance possible. But I also use my PC for a lot of other things, so its worth the expense for me to have a nice PC. If you use your PC a lot for somewhat intensive things, and don't play with friends much, go for a gaming PC. If your friends all play on console and you want to as well, and want the simple experience, go for a console. If you want both, get both :)
 


Not trying to sound rude, but did someone say a true gamer owns one or the other and I missed it? If so, I agree with you, somewhat. If you're referring to where I mention that a PC is for a gamer that wants the most, I am not saying that PC gamers are true gamers, merely that PC will give you more for gaming. Also, not everyone can afford to buy both. I can't afford a console at the moment. Sure I could have if I didn't build a new PC, but thats what requires a choice. A true gamer does not necessarily own both, but a true gamer always appreciates both.
 
Sadly it is just me who loves the complicated life, so if I want to play social, than I must go to Xbox. Somehow everyone prefer xbox over ps here
I believe that these consoles can deliver decent graphics for the next few years. of course, at the end of their cycle they wont, but thats a different story
 
Well.. not a long while ago I posted this on some other thread and I would like to share that bit of information on this thread as well. That might be of some help.

1. It is a PC, anything can be done with it including Web Browsing, Media Steaming, Office Work, Productivity work and an endless list of things to do.

2. There might be 5-10 games that are exclusive to the consoles but there are 1000+ games that are exclusive to the PC's including new releases and older games. There are way more than that. Most of the Indie games are just on PC. And Indie games are some of the most artistic games. Half Life, Half Life 2, and seriously many good games are PC exclusive.

3. Deals on Steam : There are always deals going on steam. Many times you can find AAA games for just like 5 bucks on Holiday, Weekend or in general any random sales. You can buy bundles from sites like Humble Bundle for like just 5 bucks for like 6-7 games. Also there are a lot more deals available on PC's in general which are not there on consoles.

4. You would need to pay $50 for an yearly membership with the Xbox or PS4. But with PC for the same money you can get like a lot games for $50 if you can look for deals. You would have to pay a lot less.

5. There are older games that would never come to consoles. You cannot play GTA VC on consoles. You cannot play Super Mario Bros on consoles. You cannot play IGI on consoles. You cannot play GTA SA on this gen consoles. You cannot play CS 1.6 on consoles. In other words you cannot play any older games with consoles that you might have loved from the past.

6. Playing FPS games with the controller sucks. Seriously it takes out the fun of having the skill to aim and shoot. With console everything is Auto Aim. Seriously that is no fun to play.

7. You can mod games on PC. Elder Scrolls Skyrim and GTA series are great examples. Especially on Skyrim you can put on High Res texture packs, everything high resolution packs and enjoy the looks and added features the mods gives. You can change the cars, looks of buildings and transform the game to every imaginable way you prefer to with the PC. You cannot do the same on consoles. There are always phrases thrown like "My Skyrim looks better than your skyrim" . That phrase is self explanatory.

Also Counter Strike and Team Fortress first started as mods and then became awesome games that everyone still loves



And seriously, the possibilities are endless with PC's on gaming, entertainment and productivity front. And you have the freedom to choose what you want to, unlike what the console manufacturers want you to use and pay for.

There are a tonne more reasons to move from console to PC's. You might want to refer to this Video by Logan from TekSyndiate (razethew0rld). Some points above are taken directly from that Video linked below.

Kill Your Console - Reasons to Switch to PC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhdL-ITG-M) - TekSyndiate

In simple words, with PC you are free but with consoles you are tied to the manufacturer for the rest of your life, unless you plan to throw the console and not use it at all.

This is why I would recommend a PC to anyone over a console. Watch the Video, you will learn more.

I hope this piece of information helps.
 
yea, most of you misunderstood this topic a little bit
I am not looking for any kind of help, I just would like to have a chat.
There are many threads about which one to buy, and what pc to get, I am here just to discuss these two platforms
 
for 500 pounds you can build a PC much much more powerful than the console. Hence go for this build instead.

This would be my recommendation :

+ AMD FX 6300, 6 Cores @ 3.5 Ghz, Highly Overclockable.
+ 7970, one of the best GPU's, really.
+ Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, nice Cooler for overclocking.
+ Nice board for overclocking, Asus M5A97, good quality and trust of Asus.
+ Zalman Z9, Nice stylish case with good features.
+ 1TB HDD, 8GB RAM, good for gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: GeIL Enhance CORSA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£40.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.00 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (£203.75 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.31 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.24 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £537.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-17 11:51 GMT+0000)

Hence this build would run games at very-high or Ultra settings at 60+ FPS. Some CPU intensive games can be run at High Settings and still offer plenty of performance. Hence go for this build.

Also you can overclock to increase performance. So this is also ready for overclocking out of the box. Go for it.

I hope this helps.
 
this thread really doesnt have a point.

both consoles and pc exist for a reason and either can be a good choice depending on what games you play and your needs.

consoles are generally more convenient since they are easy to set up, play and socialize and often function as a media player.
computers are more powerful with better graphics and you can multitask or access far more content due to indie games and backwards compatibility.
 
Why PC's are better than Consoles :

1. It is a PC, anything can be done with it including Web Browsing, Media Steaming, Office Work, Productivity work and an endless list of things to do.

2. There might be 5-10 games that are exclusive to the consoles but there are 1000+ games that are exclusive to the PC's including new releases and older games. There are way more than that. Most of the Indie games are just on PC. And Indie games are some of the most artistic games. Half Life, Half Life 2, and seriously many good games are PC exclusive.

3. Deals on Steam : There are always deals going on steam. Many times you can find AAA games for just like 5 bucks on Holiday, Weekend or in general any random sales. You can buy bundles from sites like Humble Bundle for like just 5 bucks for like 6-7 games. Also there are a lot more deals available on PC's in general which are not there on consoles.

4. You would need to pay $50 for an yearly membership with the Xbox or PS4. But with PC for the same money you can get like a lot games for $50 if you can look for deals. You would have to pay a lot less.

5. There are older games that would never come to consoles. You cannot play GTA VC on consoles. You cannot play Super Mario Bros on consoles. You cannot play IGI on consoles. You cannot play GTA SA on this gen consoles. You cannot play CS 1.6 on consoles. In other words you cannot play any older games with consoles that you might have loved from the past.

6. Playing FPS games with the controller sucks. Seriously it takes out the fun of having the skill to aim and shoot. With console everything is Auto Aim. Seriously that is no fun to play.

7. You can mod games on PC. Elder Scrolls Skyrim and GTA series are great examples. Especially on Skyrim you can put on High Res texture packs, everything high resolution packs and enjoy the looks and added features the mods gives. You can change the cars, looks of buildings and transform the game to every imaginable way you prefer to with the PC. You cannot do the same on consoles. There are always phrases thrown like "My Skyrim looks better than your skyrim" . That phrase is self explanatory.

Also Counter Strike and Team Fortress first started as mods and then became awesome games that everyone still loves



And seriously, the possibilities are endless with PC's on gaming, entertainment and productivity front. And you have the freedom to choose what you want to, unlike what the console manufacturers want you to use and pay for.

There are a tonne more reasons to move from console to PC's. You might want to refer to this Video by Logan from TekSyndiate (razethew0rld). Some points above are taken directly from that Video linked below.

Kill Your Console - Reasons to Switch to PC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhdL-ITG-M) - TekSyndiate

In simple words, with PC you are free but with consoles you are tied to the manufacturer for the rest of your life, unless you plan to throw the console and not use it at all.

This is why I would recommend a PC to anyone over a console. Watch the Video, you will learn more.

I hope this piece of information helps.
 
@sangeet

repeating the same thing you did 6 posts up doesnt change the fact that both devices can be the best choice depending on a particular situation.

since obviously you think things are rather one sided let me provide some counterpoints for you.

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1. It is a PC, anything can be done with it including Web Browsing, Media Steaming, Office Work, Productivity work and an endless list of things to do.
you can browse the web on console and stream media. pc opens up more options for sure but it is also more complex. a console is a gaming and/or media device it is not meant for productivity so you cannot compare it as such. if you need an all-in-one device for gaming AND work then you will buy a pc however if all you want is a gaming device then you arent so limited.

2. There might be 5-10 games that are exclusive to the consoles but there are 1000+ games that are exclusive to the PC's including new releases and older games. There are way more than that. Most of the Indie games are just on PC. And Indie games are some of the most artistic games. Half Life, Half Life 2, and seriously many good games are PC exclusive.
perhaps you completely forgot about all of the older console games which are reformatted to work with new consoles? perhaps you also forgot about indie games developed for consoles specifically? also do not forget that getting some older games to work on pc can be quite a headache and can include using compatibilty mode, installing old dll files and downloading older directx files. anything post 00 though normally runs fine.

3. Deals on Steam : There are always deals going on steam. Many times you can find AAA games for just like 5 bucks on Holiday, Weekend or in general any random sales. You can buy bundles from sites like Humble Bundle for like just 5 bucks for like 6-7 games. Also there are a lot more deals available on PC's in general which are not there on consoles.
yes but realize that everything is tied to steam. if the steam service ever shuts down or if your information is ever lost you are completely SOL which is why i prefer physical disks. also there isnt a used market for pc titles. i can play a game on console used then if i dont like it i can take it back and return it. essentially free if i dont like it. pc has demos but thats it (consoles have demos too). you are correct that pc has many more deals on games but unless you play alot of new games all the time is it really a huge issue?

4. You would need to pay $50 for an yearly membership with the Xbox or PS4. But with PC for the same money you can get like a lot games for $50 if you can look for deals. You would have to pay a lot less.
yes but you have to buy windows for $100 when you build a pc. you have to buy antirvirus every year as well (unless you use the free ones). in the long run you are correct that pc is cheaper. while over the long run a pc may be cheaper depending on what software you use its not by a huge margin and i doubt $50 is going to put anyone in the gutter.

5. There are older games that would never come to consoles. You cannot play GTA VC on consoles. You cannot play Super Mario Bros on consoles. You cannot play IGI on consoles. You cannot play GTA SA on this gen consoles. You cannot play CS 1.6 on consoles. In other words you cannot play any older games with consoles that you might have loved from the past.
backwards compatibility has always been an issue with consoles and is more of a problem than pc. do realize that many of those same titles you listed were born first on console. dont forget about the tons of old console games that did not come to pc (legally). also realize that emulators such as snes9x for super mario bros is illegal as it is essentially piracy therefore you can not consider them in the argument. i will agree that pc has many more game options open however the whole process on pc is also more complex.

6. Playing FPS games with the controller sucks. Seriously it takes out the fun of having the skill to aim and shoot. With console everything is Auto Aim. Seriously that is no fun to play.
that is your personal opinion. you do realize that you can use a mouse and keyboard with consoles right? while i do agree fps is easier to play with m+kb you can also play casually on the couch far easier with a controller. not everyone wants to sit at a computer desk.

7. You can mod games on PC. Elder Scrolls Skyrim and GTA series are great examples. Especially on Skyrim you can put on High Res texture packs, everything high resolution packs and enjoy the looks and added features the mods gives. You can change the cars, looks of buildings and transform the game to every imaginable way you prefer to with the PC. You cannot do the same on consoles. There are always phrases thrown like "My Skyrim looks better than your skyrim" . That phrase is self explanatory.
unreal tournament 2004 was another good example. tons of mods. i totally agree that there is more content available for pc as far as models, skins and mods are concerned. do realize however that adding such mods can have a chance of screwing up your install or not working properly. i've lost count of the number of mods i've tried for various games made by 3rd party groups which have caused issues. it can be rather hit or miss.

Also Counter Strike and Team Fortress first started as mods and then became awesome games that everyone still loves
i agree.. tfc was a fun game. that isnt to say that people still dont play console classics.


honestly there is a counterpoint for every argument that can be made either way.

both have their place.

generally console is more laid back. i can kick my feet up on the desk and lean back in a chair playing a game on console but to play on pc i need to be scooted up to the desk with the mouse and keyboard. guess which is more comfortable?

with a computer however i have access to more games, more options and mods.

if i want to play a dvd movie i use console since its easier. with pc w7 media player sucks at it and win8 doesnt include codecs. with console you can also use a nice easy controller but for pc its more complicated.

i have both a pc and console and have had newer generations of such for over 10 years and can honestly say that neither one or the other can replace eachother entirely.
 
1. Media is crap on consoles. Seriously, you can download XBMC and it is a way better Media Center than any on the consoles. It can be easily downloaded on PC. Also with consoles you are tied to their ecosystem, but with PC you can use anything whether is be XBMC, VLC, Foobar or anything you like. Also having a $800 gaming PC is much much much better and more powerful than having a $400 console just for gaming and a $400 computer for web browsing and other tasks like that.


2. Still there are a lot more games on PC's. Seriously, a lot more exclusives.


3. Steam is not going anytime soon. And if you are stuck with the DVD's then forget about going digital ever. Everything is going digital and it will. If you are afraid of going digital and sticking with DVD's, then I seriously do not know what to say to you.


4. WIndows is one time installation for about 90 dollars. Remove another 30 for student discount. And free antivirus are way more than enough for catching malwares on a standard home PC, no need to spend on AntiVirus. So, it is just the price of Windows OS, nothing else.

Also Linux now has more than 200 games and it is constantly expanding. Linux is free and has no risk of AntiVirus. Also with SteamOS, the game library is now expanding. AAA games like Metro Last Light already is available on Linux and more will follow.

And Steam on Linux right now has more games available than there are on PS4.


5. If you own the orignal Super Mario Bros on Nintendo, then it is legal to download the .nes file of it and emulate it. I owned the Super Mario Bros and hence it is legal for me to download it on the PC and emulate it. And no, the process is not complex. It is just as easy as opening a document on Word. If someone finds it to be complex, then only god knows what would happen to him. And still there are a lot more older games on PC's you have to agree to it.


6. The controller takes the skill out of the FPS games, that is seriously true. In PC multiplayer, the one who aims better wins, but in consoles, it is just about who has got faster reflexes and it is then all auto aim. It seriously makes a difference. Also do you know that you can hook up the PC to a television and use your Xbox controller with it, and play games on the couch. It can be done with the PC.

7. Of course it is on your own risk. But at least having an option of modding is better than not having the option at all. You do not have that option in consoles. You have that option on PC. Also most things don't cause issues. Changing texture file with another rarely causes issues. Replacing the Banshee with a ferrari does not cause any issues whatsoever. Changing the clouds and water on Skyrim does not causes issues. I could go on saying, but I guess you understand that.

8. I would like to add another point. There are a lot of alternative free Media Centers for Windows and Linux both, they are really good with addons support. I love the XBMC. It is polished and it is beautiful and it is much better than Windows Media Center.
I too agree that Windows Media Center is a crap. Seriously.

Why get tied to what Microsoft and Sony wants you to do. Why not just do things you want to do? Enjoy the freedom of PC.
 
1. Media is crap on consoles. Seriously, you can download XBMC and it is a way better Media Center than any on the consoles. It can be easily downloaded on PC. Also with consoles you are tied to their ecosystem, but with PC you can use anything whether is be XBMC, VLC, Foobar or anything you like. Also having a $800 gaming PC is much much much better and more powerful than having a $400 console just for gaming and a $400 computer for web browsing and other tasks like that.
the simple fact is that a ps3 or (insert other console here) or dvd/br player is better for phsycial media. computers do not come with propper software like they should and even programs like powerdvd leave much to be desired.

for media channels you are correct that xmbc has more and a pc has access to more however ease of use is down compared to a console. if you want an IR remote or bluetooth remote it is also quite a bit more expensive and tricky to get one set up than it is for a ps3. a keyboard and mouse kind of ruins the couch media presentation.

do remember that people often have tablets, smartphones and laptops. if they are limited to one device then of course a computer would be ideal however if they already have a device then its a moot point about consoles not being able to do office tasks or web browsing well. you dont go out and buy a console to be your "all in one" device. you buy a console because it is small and fits under the tv unlike your tower computer and it gives you gaming, dvd/br playing and some media streaming capability that you want.


2. Still there are a lot more games on PC's. Seriously, a lot more exclusives.

this depends on if you count the pc against all consoles made or just the new consoles. it also depends on if you count emulators (which are illegal by the way) to replace those old console. in a straight pc to ps3/ps4/xb360/xbo then you are correct.


3. Steam is not going anytime soon. And if you are stuck with the DVD's then forget about going digital ever. Everything is going digital and it will. If you are afraid of going digital and sticking with DVD's, then I seriously do not know what to say to you.

yes but have you thought about what happens when steam does go down for good? or if it goes down to an attack from some disgruntled hacker? physical media is forever as long as you have a player for it and as long as the media does not degrade. people still play records and a-trac tapes and a few people still watch vhs. people will be watching dvds 20-30 years from now easy.

you arent stuck with dvds. you can make digital copies of them on your hard drive as long as you own the originals. however the legality is questionable depending on whom you talk to.

the problem with digital only media is twofold. if you have it stored on a hard drive then you need to have a hard drive large enough to handle it. this can range from 37 to 83 bluerays or up to 300 dvd movies. this may seem like alot however do realize that if you have tv series this can get taken up very quickly. also do realize that you are paying about $100-120 for a hard drive which can hold this information. on top of that realize that this hard drive can fail at any time. i've personally had such hard drives fail on me so do not quote failure rates as i know them well and they suck for anything above 1tb drives.

it can be quite a time investment to start a digital media library for your own use and to have a drive fail means countless hours (perhaps weeks) of time lost. sure you can run raid or sure you can have backup drives however where is the expense going to stop? physical media is cheaper for those of us with large collections. if you only have 100 movies then you can go digital perfectly fine.

dont even get started about online collections or subscriptions. a server hiccup, maintenance downtime or if data accidentally gets deleted the end user is SOL and its happend before. cloud storage is a joke and media subscriptions have downtime and streaming issues.


4. WIndows is one time installation for about 90 dollars. Remove another 30 for student discount. And free antivirus are way more than enough for catching malwares on a standard home PC, no need to spend on AntiVirus. So, it is just the price of Windows OS, nothing else.

remove $30 for student discount? what about all of the adults in this world? while i do agree about free antivirus being not too shabby some of us like using some of the paid subscriptions because they work great and we trust them more. for instance i would never trade up kaspersky as i feel it works better than any of them and it also gives me the features i want including quick updates (they update multiple times a day at times)

Also Linux now has more than 200 games and it is constantly expanding. Linux is free and has no risk of AntiVirus. Also with SteamOS, the game library is now expanding. AAA games like Metro Last Light already is available on Linux and more will follow.

linux also is completely different and alient to windows users with the gui and general useage. while i do agree that it has major merit in some areas it helps to be very computer savvy if you run it. also what you mentioned about linux not having malware is a complete lie. there have been virus/trojan/etcetera for linux although you would be correct to say that they have not been as much of a problem as windows based attacks.

And Steam on Linux right now has more games available than there are on PS4.

playstation 4 was just released. of course there are no games for it. this is how it has been for every single console. a few launch games and then more to follow


5. If you own the orignal Super Mario Bros on Nintendo, then it is legal to download the .nes file of it and emulate it. I owned the Super Mario Bros and hence it is legal for me to download it on the PC and emulate it. And no, the process is not complex. It is just as easy as opening a document on Word. If someone finds it to be complex, then only god knows what would happen to him. And still there are a lot more older games on PC's you have to agree to it.

perhaps if you still own and have in your possession the original snes cartridge. if you sold it, gave it away or lost it then there go any purported rights along with it. lets not kid around here, i am sure you realize however that people who get an emulator are not just getting games they have in some box in their basement but are trying out anything that catches their eye.

as far as being complex. to set up you might need a few drivers your pc doesnt have installed which could frustrate people without much computer experience. once you get that far it is generally not a problem and the program will open and load fine and loading roms is easy.

the next complicated part is in setting up a controller although it depends on the type of controller. i myself use bluetooth on the pc which allows me to connect a bluetooth ps3 controller for convenience. this is buggy at best and while it does work it can be a little finnicky. if you have a usb wired controller likely you dont have this issue. its less convenient though.

another issue is gamegenie/cheat support. some of the old games were rather hard for the average user and some found it possible only with cheating which while i admit takes a bit of fun out of the game sometimes to beat the game that is what you need. take d-force for example where even with 99 lives i did not finish the game. the problem is that you need the hex values to enter in snes9x and they are not always easy to find. again perhaps a minor point but still one nonetheless

so overall while playing a game is not complicated there are a few issues here and there


6. The controller takes the skill out of the FPS games, that is seriously true. In PC multiplayer, the one who aims better wins, but in consoles, it is just about who has got faster reflexes and it is then all auto aim. It seriously makes a difference. Also do you know that you can hook up the PC to a television and use your Xbox controller with it, and play games on the couch. It can be done with the PC.

who are you kidding. while aiming is important, having fast reflexes is a huge deal in pc fps multiplayer not just on console. i should know as i used to play fps games all the time and honed my reactions to stimuli. average players cannot even touch you. practice makes perfect.

while i might not agree with autoaiming the reason they did it is because controllers arent ideal for fps. the only reason why controllers are used is for casual or couch gaming so there is not much choice but to include some form of auto-aim or auto-correct.

yes you can hook up your pc to an xbox controller (or even a ps3 controller) however you might get your butt handed to you.


7. Of course it is on your own risk. But at least having an option of modding is better than not having the option at all. You do not have that option in consoles. You have that option on PC. Also most things don't cause issues. Changing texture file with another rarely causes issues. Replacing the Banshee with a ferrari does not cause any issues whatsoever. Changing the clouds and water on Skyrim does not causes issues. I could go on saying, but I guess you understand that.

agreed. consoles do not have mods.

provided you do things correctly that is true.

all i'm saying is that mods can be risky while not having mods is zero risk. while you can always reinstall its still a PITA.


8. I would like to add another point. There are a lot of alternative free Media Centers for Windows and Linux both, they are really good with addons support. I love the XBMC. It is polished and it is beautiful and it is much better than Windows Media Center.
I too agree that Windows Media Center is a crap. Seriously.

agreed. xmbc and others are nice options if using a pc

Why get tied to what Microsoft and Sony wants you to do. Why not just do things you want to do? Enjoy the freedom of PC.

you do realize microsoft owns windows right so unless you are promoting linux only gaming (or shudder... mac os) i think you need to reword that. windows is the route you need to go if you want to play the most pc games so you will be under microsoft anyways.

i'm not tied up by sony for owning a ps2 or ps3. i play what i want to play when i want to play it. i do the things i want to do which is why i play some games on pc and some games on console depending on which has the exclusive or which interface i feel is better for that type of game. D3 for instance plays better on console. its easier, better drops and doesnt have the auction house which is why i purchased that version not the pc version.

i do have freedom which is why i picked both. you seem to be trying to make people believe they have no choice but pc. (how is that freedom?). while pc may have more options that doesnt mean it is the only solution.

in general... you made your points known however for every point you make there are counterpoints.

people pick pc for a reason. people pick console for a reason.

there are pro/cons for both.

all i'm saying is stop trying to push the idea that people need to buy a pc because it is so much better on people as this is not always true. you made your point about what they offer over consoles already many times so there is no point to continue pushing your own opinion as we all have one. this is why i push back with counterpoints.

just admit that both have a place and lets end this.

i dont think there is any need to further a debate do you?
 
the simple fact is that a ps3 or (insert other console here) or dvd/br player is better for phsycial media. computers do not come with propper software like they should and even programs like powerdvd leave much to be desired.


--> There is no shortage of good Media Players for the PC. You can use anyone of the good ones.
--> Computers don't come with software because every software can be downloaded for it from the Internet.
--> POwerDVD is a crap, but there are a lot good softwares out there. You just need to pick the right one.
--> Also having one good powerful device is better than having two seperate device.



this depends on if you count the pc against all consoles made or just the new consoles. it also depends on if you count emulators (which are illegal by the way) to replace those old console. in a straight pc to ps3/ps4/xb360/xbo then you are correct.

--> A person owns only a single console or two at most, so they have access to only one console. Hence complete games on consoles are not comparable to the PC as if a guy owns only a PS4, then he has access to the games of PS4 only, nothing more nothing less.

--> But with a single PC build in 2013, you can have access to all the games that has ever launched for the PC. Whether it be Project IGI. GTA 3, anything. Yes, they might require a bit more compatibility settings and a bit of tweaking, but they can be made to work. Having an option is better than having no option at all.


yes but have you thought about what happens when steam does go down for good? or if it goes down to an attack from some disgruntled hacker? physical media is forever as long as you have a player for it and as long as the media does not degrade. people still play records and a-trac tapes and a few people still watch vhs. people will be watching dvds 20-30 years from now easy.

you arent stuck with dvds. you can make digital copies of them on your hard drive as long as you own the originals. however the legality is questionable depending on whom you talk to.

the problem with digital only media is twofold. if you have it stored on a hard drive then you need to have a hard drive large enough to handle it. this can range from 37 to 83 bluerays or up to 300 dvd movies. this may seem like alot however do realize that if you have tv series this can get taken up very quickly. also do realize that you are paying about $100-120 for a hard drive which can hold this information. on top of that realize that this hard drive can fail at any time. i've personally had such hard drives fail on me so do not quote failure rates as i know them well and they suck for anything above 1tb drives.

it can be quite a time investment to start a digital media library for your own use and to have a drive fail means countless hours (perhaps weeks) of time lost. sure you can run raid or sure you can have backup drives however where is the expense going to stop? physical media is cheaper for those of us with large collections. if you only have 100 movies then you can go digital perfectly fine.

dont even get started about online collections or subscriptions. a server hiccup, maintenance downtime or if data accidentally gets deleted the end user is SOL and its happend before. cloud storage is a joke and media subscriptions have downtime and streaming issues.


--> Many people don't even put a DVD player now in their build, hence DVD's are only going to die, believe it or not.
--> You can still use DVD's and Blu Ray's in PC if you prefer so.
--> 1TB HDD costs only $60. 2TB costs only $90 and 3TB costs only $120. So they are not as expensive as you are making them look.
--> DVD's get scratched and can loose or corrupt data easily with a few scratches. Hence DVD's are even more prone to the HDD.
--> But stick to DVD's if you prefer so still in 2013. I don't know what to say. Digital Services are the future, believe it or not.
--> Games on DVD's costs like at least $50. Steam games costs little less and they can be found for sales for like only $10 at times. A tonne of money saved.



remove $30 for student discount? what about all of the adults in this world? while i do agree about free antivirus being not too shabby some of us like using some of the paid subscriptions because they work great and we trust them more. for instance i would never trade up kaspersky as i feel it works better than any of them and it also gives me the features i want including quick updates (they update multiple times a day at times)

--> It is only paying Once. Not everytime.
--> Free Antivirus is more than enough for any home PC.


linux also is completely different and alient to windows users with the gui and general useage. while i do agree that it has major merit in some areas it helps to be very computer savvy if you run it. also what you mentioned about linux not having malware is a complete lie. there have been virus/trojan/etcetera for linux although you would be correct to say that they have not been as much of a problem as windows based attacks.

Again some fun facts
--> The Xbox and PS4 Gui and General Usage is also completely different from Windows.
--> Also it is not at all hard to use. That was a problem of the past. Have you even used a current Linux distro? Try Linux Mint. It can be used by any Windows users easily.
--> Linux based attacks are only like hundred ever recorded and they too required root access to work. And getting root access is not an easy task. So, with just a hundred viruses ever been made and that too requiring root access, I am pretty sure that it is way more safe than Windows. Hence it is not a complete lie. 😀



as far as being complex. to set up you might need a few drivers your pc doesnt have installed which could frustrate people without much computer experience. once you get that far it is generally not a problem and the program will open and load fine and loading roms is easy.

the next complicated part is in setting up a controller although it depends on the type of controller. i myself use bluetooth on the pc which allows me to connect a bluetooth ps3 controller for convenience. this is buggy at best and while it does work it can be a little finnicky. if you have a usb wired controller likely you dont have this issue. its less convenient though.

--> It is not complex / frustrating / complicated / buggy / finnicky / inconvenient at all to install drivers. All you need to do is to download the driver from the manufacturer's website and then it is all just Next-->Next-->Next-->Finish.. As simple as that..

--> Also most devices come with a DVD Disk, which you are a pretty big fan of (LOL!!) hence you can just insert the DVD and it is then only Next-->Next-->Next-->Finish.. As simple as that..


another issue is gamegenie/cheat support. some of the old games were rather hard for the average user and some found it possible only with cheating which while i admit takes a bit of fun out of the game sometimes to beat the game that is what you need. take d-force for example where even with 99 lives i did not finish the game. the problem is that you need the hex values to enter in snes9x and they are not always easy to find. again perhaps a minor point but still one nonetheless

--> Cheating is a choice of their own. It is not an issue you can do it or you cannot. If you feel like doing so, then go ahead. If you don't then that is fine.
--> The HEX values are required in games which do not officially support cheats. Hence that is not an issue as the orignal manufacturer did not intended to do that.

Example of official Cheat : SEAWAYS in GTA Vice City - Rockstar intended people to use that cheat.
Example of unofficial Cheat : Finding the string which stores the amount of money with Cheat Engine to increase the amount of money - Rockstar did not intended people to do so and if finding HEX values is not easy then it is not the problem of Rockstar since it is unofficial Hence this is not a issue but rather a mere excuse.



who are you kidding. while aiming is important, having fast reflexes is a huge deal in pc fps multiplayer not just on console. i should know as i used to play fps games all the time and honed my reactions to stimuli. average players cannot even touch you. practice makes perfect.

while i might not agree with autoaiming the reason they did it is because controllers arent ideal for fps. the only reason why controllers are used is for casual or couch gaming so there is not much choice but to include some form of auto-aim or auto-correct.

yes you can hook up your pc to an xbox controller (or even a ps3 controller) however you might get your butt handed to you.

--> With PC you need to have fast reflexes as well as Aiming better.
--> With consoles, everything is only having fast reflexes. Nothing with Aiming, it is Auto.
--> Hence with PC you need two skills, with consoles only one. This is what I meant. Am I clear enough now?


all i'm saying is that mods can be risky while not having mods is zero risk. while you can always reinstall its still a PITA.

--> If someone finds it risky, then there is no pressure from anyone to Mod games on PC. They can play games unmodded too.


you do realize microsoft owns windows right so unless you are promoting linux only gaming (or shudder... mac os) i think you need to reword that. windows is the route you need to go if you want to play the most pc games so you will be under microsoft anyways.

i'm not tied up by sony for owning a ps2 or ps3. i play what i want to play when i want to play it. i do the things i want to do which is why i play some games on pc and some games on console depending on which has the exclusive or which interface i feel is better for that type of game. D3 for instance plays better on console. its easier, better drops and doesnt have the auction house which is why i purchased that version not the pc version.

--> It is not about the OS, it is about the Media Players, browsing Internet and other stuff.
--> With PC you can use Either Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, IE whatever you like, but with coinsole you are stuck with just one browser, you cannot change.
--> With PC you have the choice of having a lot of Media players like WMP, VLC and a lot more, but you have the same liberty with the consoles.
--> You have to use whatever they are offering you, if you do not like it, then you have no other option.
--> There are options with the PC, which the consoles lack. This is what I wanted to say.


Anyone don't think it is a flame war. It is just a discussion. One for and one against the topic. I think we have a pretty good debate going on here.