Question Constant Blue Screens, No Dump Logs ?

[axey]

Hello,

So my pc has been for the last 5months getting quite a few BSODs but resetting pc helped for awhile but recently I'm getting alot more, seems certain it is hardware related, what happens is:

If I get into my fine it works normal, if I start eg visual studio quite a hard hitting program when starting it up it Blue screens, and will constantly get Blue screen at the login menu of windows, to be able to get in again I have to wait like 10minutes with the pc off to be able to login fine, I have replaced cpu thermal paste as I was sitting at 82c idle which is now 45c idle, I have replace 32gb ram sticks with 16gb ram sticks, which actually worked fine for a day, but I'm not sure what is causing this. I actually resetted windows 7 times last week in 1 day just clueless what to do next any help will be appreciated.


Edit: I haven't been able to get passed login for last 2 hours, I switched ram again back to 32gb it allows me to login. But on my boot up order it has 2 ssd visuals same name just one has Windows boot manager in it

Edit 2: I logged in, forced closed a app in window task managed then Blue screened.

Edit 3: i video my blue screen as it goes off too fast and got the WHEA UNCONNECTABLE ERROR, did some research and says it is cpu related as in overclock ive never touched that but went into bios and changed some auto to disabled and no blue screens so far, i would say though my psu is like 6 years old and the rest is alot newer, thing is i dont know what psu to get as i bought my pc prebuilt 6 years ago, and since upgraded everything but the psu and it has some switch box in it.

 

[Aeacus]

With 0 word what hardware you actually have (CPU, RAM, MoBo, GPU, SSD/HDD, PSU) i'd say that CPU is on it's way out.

 

[ubuysa]

I fully agree that if the CPU has been idling at 85C then it may well already have been damaged. It would help if you download and run the V2 Log Collector and upload the zip file it produces to the cloud (Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, etc.) with a link to it here (be sure to make it public).

 

[axey]

I fully agree that if the CPU has been idling at 85C then it may well already have been damaged. It would help if you download and run the V2 Log Collector and upload the zip file it produces to the cloud (Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, etc.) with a link to it here (be sure to make it public).

the thermal paste was 2 years out of last used but now idles at 41c

 

[axey]

With 0 word what hardware you actually have (CPU, RAM, MoBo, GPU, SSD/HDD, PSU) i'd say that CPU is on it's way out.

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/Mqao5F87zxms7WdSFMl3f8Q

 

[Aeacus]

I actually resetted windows

Do note that Windows reset isn't the same as formatting OS drive and making a new, clean Win installation.

IF your issues would be software, clean Win install, with OS drive format, fixes the software issues you may have. <- This is what i'd suggest you to do, since it doesn't cost you anything.

In an event that even clean Win install doesn't help (still seeing BSoD on fresh Win install), then i'd look into CPU replacement.

to be able to get in again I have to wait like 10minutes

About average time for cooked CPU to cool down on it's own.

Also, running R5 3600 at 82C idle, is bad for CPU. There's no telling how long the CPU was cooked for (months/years), but symptoms show CPU degradation.

Btw, Speccy doesn't show PSU's make and model.

 

[axey]

Do note that Windows reset isn't the same as formatting OS drive and making a new, clean Win installation.

IF your issues would be software, clean Win install, with OS drive format, fixes the software issues you may have. <- This is what i'd suggest you to do, since it doesn't cost you anything.

In an event that even clean Win install doesn't help (still seeing BSoD on fresh Win install), then i'd look into CPU replacement.

About average time for cooked CPU to cool down on it's own.

Also, running R5 3600 at 82C idle, is bad for CPU. There's no telling how long the CPU was cooked for (months/years), but symptoms show CPU degradation.

Btw, Speccy doesn't show PSU's make and model.

I have the atx-500w psu, when i turn pc on in the morning its like a something getting hit in it after 5 minutes it goes away to being smooth

 

[Aeacus]

I have the atx-500w psu

And i have ATX 650W PSU. Can you tell me what make and model PSU i have?
Knowing PSU's make and model is important.

its like a something getting hit in it after 5 minutes it goes away to being smooth

Sounds like a loose cable hitting fan blades. Or bad fan bearing.

 

[axey]

And i have ATX 650W PSU. Can you tell me what make and model PSU i have?
Knowing PSU's make and model is important.


Sounds like a loose cable hitting fan blades. Or bad fan bearing.

The only details I could find on the psu https://ibb.co/tYRNzd3 without taking it out

 

[Aeacus]

The only details I could find on the psu https://ibb.co/tYRNzd3 without taking it out

Holy hell....

What you have, is crap quality, no-name PSU. Did try to find review of it, or even official specs. None, nada. This is really bad.
Only small piece of info i could find, from 2013, is that Winpower is made by HEC/Compucase, which itself doesn't tell anything good either.

At this point, i'd replace the PSU ASAP, with proven to be good PSU, e.g Seasonic Focus/PRIME or Corsair RMx/RMi/HX/HXi/AX/AXi.
(All 3 of my PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I got two Seasonic PRIME TX-650 units and one Seasonic Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

For other options regarding PSU, anything from Tier A will do (all my PSUs are also Tier A),
PSU tier list: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...er-list-rev-14-8-final-update-jul-21.3624094/

Also, your crap quality PSU could very well be the reason why your PC acts up. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. And when PSU feeds out of specs voltages to components, it will damage them. Or even outright kill hardware. So, my best guess is that your crap quality Winpower PSU has damaged your CPU up to the point of failure (those BSoD you're seeing).

 

[axey]

Holy hell....

What you have, is crap quality, no-name PSU. Did try to find review of it, or even official specs. None, nada. This is really bad.
Only small piece of info i could find, from 2013, is that Winpower is made by HEC/Compucase, which itself doesn't tell anything good either.

At this point, i'd replace the PSU ASAP, with proven to be good PSU, e.g Seasonic Focus/PRIME or Corsair RMx/RMi/HX/HXi/AX/AXi.
(All 3 of my PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I got two Seasonic PRIME TX-650 units and one Seasonic Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

For other options regarding PSU, anything from Tier A will do (all my PSUs are also Tier A),
PSU tier list: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...er-list-rev-14-8-final-update-jul-21.3624094/

Also, your crap quality PSU could very well be the reason why your PC acts up. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. And when PSU feeds out of specs voltages to components, it will damage them. Or even outright kill hardware. So, my best guess is that your crap quality Winpower PSU has damaged your CPU up to the point of failure (those BSoD you're seeing).

Oh okay, I'll get a new psu, reason I had this one is I bought a prebuilt PC, since then I upgraded everything except PSU , but yeah ill get a new one

 

[axey]

Holy hell....

What you have, is crap quality, no-name PSU. Did try to find review of it, or even official specs. None, nada. This is really bad.
Only small piece of info i could find, from 2013, is that Winpower is made by HEC/Compucase, which itself doesn't tell anything good either.

At this point, i'd replace the PSU ASAP, with proven to be good PSU, e.g Seasonic Focus/PRIME or Corsair RMx/RMi/HX/HXi/AX/AXi.
(All 3 of my PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I got two Seasonic PRIME TX-650 units and one Seasonic Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

For other options regarding PSU, anything from Tier A will do (all my PSUs are also Tier A),
PSU tier list: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...er-list-rev-14-8-final-update-jul-21.3624094/

Also, your crap quality PSU could very well be the reason why your PC acts up. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. And when PSU feeds out of specs voltages to components, it will damage them. Or even outright kill hardware. So, my best guess is that your crap quality Winpower PSU has damaged your CPU up to the point of failure (those BSoD you're seeing).

I know it's been awhile, just not gotten around to ordering new stuff yet, but I did stress tests on the cpu and no bsod happens, seems to only happen when I get more apps ect on pc, 2 days ago I opened up a application and it said not responding then kept getting bsod, everytime it got to login screen it would bsod so I did a reset but keep files, now running fine again

 

[Aeacus]

As i said in the beginning, CPU seems to be on it's way out. Then again, you had it cooked well and now, chip is capricious.

Btw, did you do the OS drive format + clean Win install? To rule out software issue? 🤔

 

[axey]

As i said in the beginning, CPU seems to be on it's way out. Then again, you had it cooked well and now, chip is capricious.

Btw, did you do the OS drive format + clean Win install? To rule out software issue? 🤔

Yes i did format the drive, i even used samsung magician for my ssd to completely wipe it

 

[axey]

As i said in the beginning, CPU seems to be on it's way out. Then again, you had it cooked well and now, chip is capricious.

Btw, did you do the OS drive format + clean Win install? To rule out software issue? 🤔

got new cpu today, was fine last 5 hours, now just got a bsod and still not dump creation can be made

 

[axey]

https://imgur.com/Pfsr4DT

View: https://imgur.com/Pfsr4DT
had two now. all i did was open my opera browser

 

[Aeacus]

Did you buy the new PSU as well? Or are you still using that crap doorstop?

 

[axey]

Did you buy the new PSU as well? Or are you still using that crap doorstop?

Using the doorstop currently still pwahahha, until i can buy that, i have a something called a "BOX" it connects to not sure what it is, never replaced a psu

https://imgur.com/YUfHXQG

View: https://imgur.com/YUfHXQG

 

[axey]

Did you buy the new PSU as well? Or are you still using that crap doorstop?

Im not sure if this one is good enough https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-HX...1c1f06c86&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1 thing is its 750W my pc just needs like 450W not sure if its bad having more W

 

[Aeacus]

Using the doorstop currently still pwahahha

...*sigh*...

As of what might have happened; your crap quality PSU most likely damaged your new CPU as well, hence why you're experiencing BSoD again.

At this point, i'm kinda annoyed. How come you are completely oblivious on the importance of PSU? Also, did you not read what i said above?;

Also, your crap quality PSU could very well be the reason why your PC acts up. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. And when PSU feeds out of specs voltages to components, it will damage them. Or even outright kill hardware. So, my best guess is that your crap quality Winpower PSU has damaged your CPU up to the point of failure (those BSoD you're seeing).

At this point, as long as you are keeping using your Winpower PSU, there is 0 hope to fix your PC. So, at this point, you're looking towards new, good quality PSU and 3rd CPU as well.

Im not sure if this one is good enough https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-HX...1c1f06c86&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1 thing is its 750W my pc just needs like 450W not sure if its bad having more W

Corsair HX750 is good quality PSU. It is a bit old platform but would do fine for time being. Also, better to have 200W to spare, than 50W short.

i have a something called a "BOX" it connects to not sure what it is

Looks like a fan hub to me.

 

[axey]

...*sigh*...

As of what might have happened; your crap quality PSU most likely damaged your new CPU as well, hence why you're experiencing BSoD again.

At this point, i'm kinda annoyed. How come you are completely oblivious on the importance of PSU? Also, did you not read what i said above?;

At this point, as long as you are keeping using your Winpower PSU, there is 0 hope to fix your PC. So, at this point, you're looking towards new, good quality PSU and 3rd CPU as well.


Corsair HX750 is good quality PSU. It is a bit old platform but would do fine for time being. Also, better to have 200W to spare, than 50W short.


Looks like a fan hub to me.

Yeah thats my bad, i was just checking if i was gonna get bsod to see if was cpu issue tbh. probably should of waited

also i found this psu: its 550W https://www.amazon.co.uk/GOLDEN-FIE...0925&sprefix=gold+psu+550w,aps,86&sr=8-4&th=1

 

[Aeacus]

also i found this psu: its 550W https://www.amazon.co.uk/GOLDEN-FIE...0925&sprefix=gold+psu+550w,aps,86&sr=8-4&th=1

Never heard of Golden Field. I wouldn't buy it.

If you want 550W unit, then Seasonic Focus PX-550,
pcpp: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-px-550

I can not confirm if the 95 quid price on CurrysPCWorld is accurate, since my browser won't let me access that store. But PX-550 is the very same PSU which is also powering my old AMD build (full specs with pics in my sig).


You can cheap out on every other component inside the PC except PSU. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. Also, while the PSU warranty covers the PSU itself and you can RMA the blown PSU, the PSU warranty doesn't cover any other component the PSU fried.

Most people learn the hard way not to cheap out on a PSU when low quality PSU blows and takes part of the system or the whole system with it. Even entire houses have been burned down because of the fire low quality PSU caused when it blowed up;
news article: https://www.thesundaily.my/archive/...wer-supply-unit-computer-updated-LTARCH461974

Like it or not, if you want your PC to work for years to come without any risk of fire and/or damage to your components, you need to hand out some money for good quality PSU. I'm not talking that you need to go with the best PSU money can buy, e.g Seasonic PRIME TX-650 (80+ Titanium), which costs £300+ (and which also powers my Skylake build). Seasonic Focus PX-550 or Corsair HX750 are more than enough for your PC, both wattage and build quality wise.

 

[axey]

Never heard of Golden Field. I wouldn't buy it.

If you want 550W unit, then Seasonic Focus PX-550,
pcpp: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-px-550

I can not confirm if the 95 quid price on CurrysPCWorld is accurate, since my browser won't let me access that store. But PX-550 is the very same PSU which is also powering my old AMD build (full specs with pics in my sig).


You can cheap out on every other component inside the PC except PSU. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. Also, while the PSU warranty covers the PSU itself and you can RMA the blown PSU, the PSU warranty doesn't cover any other component the PSU fried.

Most people learn the hard way not to cheap out on a PSU when low quality PSU blows and takes part of the system or the whole system with it. Even entire houses have been burned down because of the fire low quality PSU caused when it blowed up;
news article: https://www.thesundaily.my/archive/...wer-supply-unit-computer-updated-LTARCH461974

Like it or not, if you want your PC to work for years to come without any risk of fire and/or damage to your components, you need to hand out some money for good quality PSU. I'm not talking that you need to go with the best PSU money can buy, e.g Seasonic PRIME TX-650 (80+ Titanium), which costs £300+ (and which also powers my Skylake build). Seasonic Focus PX-550 or Corsair HX750 are more than enough for your PC, both wattage and build quality wise.

Okay i think im going to otder the Corsair so psu which will come tomorrow which means less likey psu will dmg pc more

 

[axey]

Never heard of Golden Field. I wouldn't buy it.

If you want 550W unit, then Seasonic Focus PX-550,
pcpp: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-px-550

I can not confirm if the 95 quid price on CurrysPCWorld is accurate, since my browser won't let me access that store. But PX-550 is the very same PSU which is also powering my old AMD build (full specs with pics in my sig).


You can cheap out on every other component inside the PC except PSU. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. Also, while the PSU warranty covers the PSU itself and you can RMA the blown PSU, the PSU warranty doesn't cover any other component the PSU fried.

Most people learn the hard way not to cheap out on a PSU when low quality PSU blows and takes part of the system or the whole system with it. Even entire houses have been burned down because of the fire low quality PSU caused when it blowed up;
news article: https://www.thesundaily.my/archive/...wer-supply-unit-computer-updated-LTARCH461974

Like it or not, if you want your PC to work for years to come without any risk of fire and/or damage to your components, you need to hand out some money for good quality PSU. I'm not talking that you need to go with the best PSU money can buy, e.g Seasonic PRIME TX-650 (80+ Titanium), which costs £300+ (and which also powers my Skylake build). Seasonic Focus PX-550 or Corsair HX750 are more than enough for your PC, both wattage and build quality wise.

I have installed new psu and everything seems to be running fine , thanks for the help