Convince me to stick with AMD in my new rebuild?

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Hi there folks. I started a thread, here in the System category and I have hit a break point of indecision. In the thread you'll find a list of parts I have. The key two being:
1: AMD FX-8350 8 Core Vishera
2: Gigabyte R9 380 4gb GPU.

I need to replace my PSU, was informed it's Tier 5 and what that means. I've also got a mobo that's hit its ceiling on being able to plug upgrades into it. Between these two, I purchased a new case, with the intent to either port over my Vishera and the R9 380 and build an AMD system with the potential to rip out both CPU and GPU later on for upgrades in 1-3 years. OR, switch to Intel, after using AMD for the better part of a decade.

Everything I am seeing, people are jumping up and down waving the Intel flag. With silence on the AMD front. Is there someone informed on the AMD line that can give me hope to save money, stick with my Vishera, buy an AMD board and go forward hoping for a better CPU in the near future?

I just picked up a SSD, and I need a PSU. Between the two, my budge will be down to about $600. I've got case, SSD, sound, networking, and GPU cards, with Storage HDD's, Blu-Ray drive, and of course, my Vishera+ Cooling Fan.

So, is this a dead end, with no hope to avoid purchasing an Intel Board with a new Intel CPU after I just invested in my FX-8350 back in March? Or is there someone with knowledge about AMD systems that can offer me insight on their CPU's? Folks in the thread linked were saying someone with AMD knowledge should chime in, so bringing it up here.

Thanks for any who help me out!
 
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well its now a 6 year platform seems to be a lot of issue therads here on them that maybe due to there not keeping up with todays needs or you just like buying the past today ??

I ditched amd [AM3+] for intel for my first time ever in 15 years and cant say it was the wrong move [z87/4670] way better satisfied and less ''bugs/ minoe issues I all ways seemed to have with am3+ [opinion]

not to say intel is the greatest but beats that or any of the AM3+ builds and upgrades I did .. looking back I was just throwing good money after bad

this z87 I not touched it from first fire up in over a year yet still on first release bios smooth and stable all day every day so far

amds motto seems to be ''next year''
 
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It really is a "next year" market at the moment. With AMD claiming that Zen has a 40% architectural improvement over the Bulldozer family, and whatever Kaby Lake turns out to be (my money is on Skylake refresh with improved fab/binning) and both AMD and NVIDIA going to completely new architectures and much smaller fabs... It really is that way.
 
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Hrm, so far it's "Intel, or hope for something better...next year. Which you'll still need a new motherboard for."

I'll be purchasing a new Mobo, PSU within 7 days, along with my 64 bit OS and Memory to go with it. The question being, is it viable to stick with AMD? If the answer is "AMD only has AM3+ right now, and will move away from that soon. If you buy one now, you'll need to rebuild twice in one year, and purchase a second Mobo soon to upgrade to a higher level CPU." That's a bummer.

Is that where AMD is at right now? I either wait to purchase their AM4 and soon to be CPU's next year, or the year after or I go to Intel?
 
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heck I would just get I nice haswell build and run it until I could not and see where the rest end up in a year or two . that skylake don't seem to be all its hyped up to and cant see jumping right on its band wagon just yet - and you could get a heck of a deal on a fine haswell rig

then with 1151 no xeon support and no plans for it [skylake is a combo platform ddr3 / ddr4 just like the old 775 ddr2 / ddr3 that was a ''cross over'' platform ] that makes me not want one
 
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Yeah, limited monthly budget, and I need to have something that can last me long term. So, I can handle replacing a CPU later on, I'll be furious if I have to get a new CPU and Mobo and completely rebuild my comp again a year from now due to misinformation here on. >.< I'm going to put myself in debt through June with the purchase I have made, and will be making in the near future. So, with that in mind, I need a Mobo decision that will last me 3-4 years going forward. If that isn't viable right now, I stick with my ancient Asus and the Vishera and build that into my new system, saving money for after the shift in chipsets wherever that leads.

If this is just a crap time for me to be rebuilding due to being on the cusp of new chipsets, then it's just a crap time for me to rebuild. I know the folks at AMD won't tell me if I call, so coming here to you folks to kick me if that's the case. With a note, I've got $600-750 in my budget left, and I still need a 32 gb RAM set and PSU (Likely $300 there between the two). Leaving me with $300-450 for Mobo and CPU. With the intent to keep the setup I purchase now for at least 2 years, and hopefully the Mobo for 2 more if possible.
 
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It really comes down to your use scenario. If you want top tier performance, it is currently well established that AMD can't reach Intel's high end CPUs. On the other had, it may very well be the case that an AMD FX-8350 can cover all your needs with some room left, making something like skylake an unnecessary investment.

Besides all that, there is the fact that AMD is about to change architecture, while Intel has just done so.
 
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Besides all that, there is the fact that AMD is about to change architecture, while Intel has just done so ''next year''

you forgot ''next year '' lol

what I did was buy a z board and a i5 haswell chip came to 350 bucks and reused the rest off the old am3+ build [ case -psu- memory- vid card- ect--] worked out well and all worked first boot with out issue [I had a new unused harddrive as well ]
 
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From my point of view I won' t say stick to amd, I will said stick with your machine right now, wait for the next year, what brings, you not matter do you you will need to change mobo, cpu and ram.
Right now your machine is pretty good for games and stuff, also save money it will help you for make a better swap of video card as processor.
Stick with your system right now hold a year, then look the benchmark and decide if you go intel or amd, what they bring for that time. I bet will the best solution for you.
I moved from amd 955 phenom II to i5 6600k i look the difference on less power and heat and faster load but nothing extreme faster. If I had some cpu as you I will stick for a year more with Amd.
Right now AMD don' t have nothing to offer if at the end you think you need to switch with intel go but you will spend a lot of money, better improve other component of you pc that won' t changed in a year.
 
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Is this "About to change architecture" thing happening soon? If it's happening next fall, then that's too late. I won't be able to wait for it to be released, then the price drop, that's like a 2 year wait. If it's "Coming in February!", and I just put off the upgrade until next years price drop it's a feasible option for me to just rip out what I have and slot it into my new case with a new PSU and ram set. Then pull the Mobo when I upgrade to a new Mobo and CPU, drop the old back in my current case, and have 2 systems, essentially. This is an option.

My main concern is, I need a new PSU, that's a given. My CPU and Mobo currently give me what I need, with no forward progress capability. It seems, this is true with all AMD Mobo's currently however, as the shift to AM4 is going down "soon". Whenever that is. If this is, indeed the case, I could save the $500 or so and put it towards whenever a decision becomes clearer for an entire system rebuild. When the Intel's current $400 CPU's prices drop, or the AMD AM4 line is released, giving me a better choice array.

I've just hit a wall on my knowledge, and lack the info necessary to make this decision going forward. If I am going to be ripping out my PSU, and rebuilding inside of a new case, this is prime time to make a Mobo switch. Either way, I'm ripping one system apart and building it anew inside a new case. The question is, how much am I spending, and will I do it again next year, and will I be doing it with Intel or AMD? It seems to me, if I am doing it soon, it is either with my current Mobo/CPU, or with an Intel for an extra $600.
 
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Right now, get a good PSU that you can transfer to a new system and see what Kaby Lake offers from Intel and Zen from AMD.
 
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So, stick with my current Mobo/CPU/RAM, dump into my shiny new case with a shiny new PSU and wait out the CPU wars latest upgrade next year. Is that the consensus then?
 
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AMD's new architecture won't be out until Q4 2016, so next fall, there is pretty much zero chance we'll see it as soon as February. Intel never drops the prices on their CPUs, the only discounts you'll see are typically on motherboards that are on the way out, and sometime retailers will offer their own discounts on CPUs eg. Microcenter. Other than that the only way to get an Intel CPU cheaper is to buy a used one.

No matter what you buy, you're going to have limited upgrade options. AM3+ and LGA1150 are now dead sockets, they won't be seeing any new CPUs. LGA1151 has Skylake right now and will be seeing the Kaby Lake refresh next year, it may or may not support 2017's Cannonlake, there is no firm information on that. LGA 2011v3 will be seeing Broadwell-E coming soon eg. within the next couple of months or so, but those CPUs cost a pretty penny and usually aren't worth it unless you're running heavily threaded workstation applications and need to complete your work as fast as possible.
 
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Hrm, ok, so my SSD will help boot speed, and if I can get an actual full set of RAM, that will help with overall day in day out application use. That, with a more reliable PSU should hold me over then. Given my budget, does seem the best to wait. Worst case scenario, if I am stuck with an 8 core, 4.0 ghz processor and 32 gb of RAM, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for a few years. There's folks I know playing on dual core 2.0 ghz chipsets with 1 gb cards flailing wishing they had my rig I am worried about. >.<

I'll keep tabs on this over the next week if folks have other input for me. I'll be hitting the sales Fri/Mon for the best deals I can work into my system. Thanks all so far!
 
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''I'd like to upgrade to but my 8320 still handles everything I throw at it. lol.''

theres the thing if its working well no need to replace and spend on something you ''may'' get the same satisfaction or results with ???

''junkeymonkey, not all skylake boards are ddr3/ddr4. In fact most are DDR4 only.''

I understand that but it don't change the fact its a cross over platform like 775 was -- now maybe the next step up will be true ddr4 memory controller

like the 775 guys find that the memory they want to use today donr work in there 775's and the old memory that did aint for sale or real hard to find .. so like 775 it may leave you stranded down the road

I don't know it just to me seems not worth the risk on that when a hard running will do the same haswell is still around with less compatibility issue

like cant install win-7 on 170chipset but yet 7 is supported at the boards support pagers ???

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

there is a tool to do so but ??? what else will you find out to bit you in the butt ?? is this a deal with Microsoft to trick you in to 10 ??

so why not just get a haswell that works as you expect with most everything ?? not find you got to go back to newgg cause it don't now ?? [opinion]
 
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I'm honestly confused. As far as I know, besides Skylake Intel is only releasing Kaby Lake-U (low-power) and Broadwell-E in 2016 (HEDT and still x99 platform). Kaby Lake-S should only in 2017 (maybe Q4'16 at the earliest). Am I missing something?

http://wccftech.com/intel-2016-roadmap-leaked-confirms-kaby-lakes-10-core-broadwelle-apollo-lake-processors/

If this info above is to be believed, Kaby Lake is essentially a Skylake refresh.
 
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how is skylake a haswell refresh ?? will it fit on a 1150 board ?? ''Skylake processors which will feature new architectural enhancements compared to Haswell and Broadwell.

like that usb3 deal where intel removed parts of that and now need a tool to make it work instead of right out of the box ?? 1/2 bread ddr4 /ddr3 memory controller no xeon support ??

I think this is the platform you pass on and see whats next .. like I said its a transition platform between what they had and what they really want [opinion]

but as they say to each his own

good luck

 
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...Who said Skylake was a refresh of Haswell?
 
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duaaa.. I thought you did ?? lol sorry

''Yeah Kabylake is Skylake refresh like Devil's Canyon is Haswell refresh''

misinterpreted that some how ?? i'll try harder next time but i''ll still stand behind what I said

I was looking at this deal

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

what I find funny is this part

Microsoft is removing support for the EHCI host controller (USB 2.0 spec) and keeping only the xHCI host controller spec (also known as the universal USB 3.0 specification). While the USB 3.0 spec is backward compatible with most USB 2.0 and 1.0 functions, installing windows 7 via USB will not be one of them''

so how is it Microsoft doing this when guys cant get there devices like keyboards to work ''BEFORE'' the os is installed ?? so it leads me to beleave intel removed this if not then it should still all work in the bios ??

'', Intel has absolute plausible deniability on this. No one can claim with 100% certainty that they are in league with Microsoft in trying to push Windows 7 users to finally get a move on. The reason for that is that the discarding of EHCI was inevitable sooner or later''

thing is with all usb devices in use they just went out and crippled a lot useage for guys - all part of you old hardware and stuff now may not work anymore so run back to newegg and spend more money on things you all ready have and should work ??

hay why not just stick with haswell where it all still works as intended ??

its like you now buy to support them and they now don't need to support you anymore
 
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Well that was from 10 months ago. Is that all actually confirmed as true?

I don't know really anything about USB drives other than the fact that they transfer data, so I don't see how Windows 7 can somehow be made to not work to install on a USB 3.0 backwards compatible with 2.0. Isn't that what backwards compatibility is all about?
 
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