Cooperation and independence between electronics manufacturers

[omar80747326]

Everybody know electronics design & manufacture doesn't come from nothing, like: nvidia cooperates with TSMC to design and manufacture GPU chipsets and with Samsung to get vram chips, while AMD works with global foundries to design & manufacture GPU chipsets and cpus. Mobiles manufacturers cooperate with Qualcomm to get SoCs and with Samsung and SK hynix to get low-profile memory and storage But why they don't manufacture electronics by themselves? Why people like global foundries, TSMC, Samsung and Qualcomm are the most trusted and experienced in making electronic chips? Why Intel tends to be completely independent in designing & manufacturing their products on their own risk without help from anyone?!

 

[USAFRet]

Because Intel is large enough to do it themselves.
Because a fab plant is stupidly expensive.
Proven history of "not crap" = trust.

 

[Peter Martin]

AMD is too little. Intel is the Gorilla, like he said, they can afford it.

 

[omar80747326]

Fabrication plants = $ billions, really?!

 

[USAFRet]

Fabrication plants = $ billions, really?!

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_fabrication_plant

"Estimates put the cost of building a new fab over one billion U.S. dollars with values as high as $3–4 billion not being uncommon. TSMC invested $9.3 billion in its Fab15 300 mm wafer manufacturing facility in Taiwan.[1] The same company estimations suggest that their future fab might cost $20 billion."

"Prices for most common pieces of equipment for the processing of 300 mm wafers range from $700,000 to upwards of $4,000,000 each with a few pieces of equipment reaching as high as $130,000,000 each (e.g. steppers). A typical fab will have several hundred equipment items."

 

[Peter Martin]

hahahaha, why wouldn't they be?!?!?!?!?

 

[omar80747326]

Oh, very stupid price for such a fab plant tsmc invested 9.3b in their fan plant with the next one can cost 20b, 4m to 130m cost just for robots and equipment.

 

[monitorlizard]

Oh, very stupid price for such a fab plant tsmc invested 9.3b in their fan plant with the next one can cost 20b, 4m to 130m cost just for robots and equipment.

Well of course.
With your extensive experience in semiconductor manufacture, robotics, and building construction..I'm sure you could bring one in for 1/2 that price.

We'll be watching for the IPO.

 

[omar80747326]

How can technical experiences in semiconductors can help better to build such a fab plant just for lower prices?!

 

[monitorlizard]

How can technical experiences in semiconductors can help better to build such a fab plant just for lower prices?!

Surely you have some justification to decide that the prices to start up a new fab plant are "stupid".