[SOLVED] Core i5 12400 or Ryzen 7 5700G for photoshop/ possible 3D work

[will2power]

I am deciding on a new build after using a PC for 13 years. Everything is out of date and I am pretty clueless.

I honed in on the i5 12400 with integrated graphics as a starter but feel the price may be more here in Japan compared to other places.

The Ryzen i7 5700G appears to be about the same price.

I plan to do photography in raw format and digital design, possibly 3d design. No gaming

Is integrated graphics for i5 12400 better than going for 12400F and cheap graphics board? Integrated means I can upgrade in future but cheap price difference makes me worry about quality.

For idea.
Core i5 12400 is about 28,000 yen, 12400 F is 25,000
Ryzen 7 5700G and 5700X are both same price, about 28,000 yen

28000 yen is currently about 215USD

Any major differences between them or things I should be aware of?
I hear Intel out perform AMD for most things but something about multi core processing of Ryzen for design programs got me thinking

Any help appreciated

 

[COLGeek]

Just keep in mind that only Ryzens (5000 series and older) that end in "G" have integrated video. That means to use the 5700X would require a stand alone video card be installed.

Personally, I would go with the Ryzen based build:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4323vs4677/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700G-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12400

Regarding use of any integrated video (AMD or Intel), neither is going to be good if using the CPU for rendering. Arguably, the AMD Vega will be stronger than Intel's offering, but even a basic video card would likely out-perform either of them.

 

[will2power]

Just keep in mind that only Ryzens (5000 series and older) that end in "G" have integrated video. That means to use the 5700X would require a stand alone video card be installed.

Personally, I would go with the Ryzen based build:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4323vs4677/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700G-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12400

Regarding use of any integrated video (AMD or Intel), neither is going to be good if using the CPU for rendering. Arguably, the AMD Vega will be stronger than Intel's offering, but even a basic video card would likely out-perform either of them.

Thanks for the help COLGeek.

I was set on the i5 12400 as heard it was better than the Ryzen 5 5600G and Ryzen 5600G

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-ryzen-5-5600g-cpu-face-off

According to all info I could find the i5 12400 was priced lower than the Ryzen equivalents. i5 12400 at $192 - $167 (F), Ryzen 5600 $199 and 5600g $220

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus

Had decided, all was good... then I checked prices here in Japan and i5 12400 is about $220 and Ryzen 5 5600 $160 and 5600G even less, $145

Is this just for Japan or did intel up the price of their processors and AMD reduce theirs? Is the Ryzen 5 5600 and 5600g and different except for onboard graphics? Wonder why integrated graphics would be cheaper than not having, 5600X is more expensive but has different specs.

For motherboards to fit these processors, are they pretty much same price to performance? I mean Ryzen 5 5600G, Ryzen 7 5700G and the i5 12400?

Really appreciate the help, I feel that I want something that can be upgraded in future and not become obsolete quick, for that CPU and MB likely most important. People are also saying a new i5 will be out this year and better to wait, which I cannot really do.

Combination wise around $200 for CPU is pushing my upper limit, depending on MB pricing too. Any suggestions in my position? Cheaper CPU and separate graphics card might be best for what I intend to do?

 

[COLGeek]

Yes, you can find comparable motherboards for both offerings. Also, yes, either combo would be better paired with a dedicated graphics card.

What is your total budget? Are you ordering from somewhere or picking up locally?

 

[will2power]

Yes, you can find comparable motherboards for both offerings. Also, yes, either combo would be better paired with a dedicated graphics card.

What is your total budget? Are you ordering from somewhere or picking up locally?

I just checked and seems the Ryzen 5 5600G and Ryzen 7 5700G use the "Cezanne" code, 5 5600 and 5 5600X use "Vermeer". Vermeer is on a table as better architecture for the processor. I figured the graphic inclusive versions of the CPUs were same as graphic-less of same number. Decided to go for separate graphics card and CPU. Core i5 12400 and 12400F are identical specs I think with one not having graphics?

I will buy in Akihabara or online, shops here often have discounts, for store models on show, "bulk" buys which come without boxes and options to pair MB and CPU and get discount, shows for example one MB with series of prices depending on included CPU. 2nd hand market is also amazing, for GPU I may do that.

My budget is ever expanding, lol, but around 400USD for CPU, GPU and Motherboard would be great. I feel these are the important things, GPU can be a relatively cheap one and upgraded but do not want to upgrade MB for some time. Been using current system for 13 years! Build with advice from this forum and still running.

One thing I am not sure about, which is need for fans and coolers etc. I figure decide on CPU then MB is determined by CPU, then go to other stuff. I was going with intel but now not sure. Core i5 12400F would possibly be in range. What would you go with? I now think a CPU with graphics included is just getting a below average board and worse processor, for AMD anyway.

For my usage, I want to do a lot of photography and graphic work, prob 3D too. Would spending more on CPU than MB be advisable? MB is more of a "gate" to use peripheral things, poor description I think but I will be running a SSD for start up and recent work and prob just a huge HDD for archiving. Eizo monitor I have and printer.

 

[COLGeek]

Your budget is going to be lacking when you throw in the cost of a video card.

I suggest you look at your site of choice and then share some links here so we can look at what you are looking at.

 

[will2power]

Your budget is going to be lacking when you throw in the cost of a video card.

I suggest you look at your site of choice and then share some links here so we can look at what you are looking at.

You are right. I had not looked at video cards since 13 years ago, assumed I could get something decent at $50-100. Checked and there is a big jump in cards performance in the newer generations. I think $80 or so would get me something no better than the built in graphics of and i5 12400 or Ryzen 5 5800G.

Some build ideas;
Higher end
CPU Ryzen 7 5700X $196
MB something like AsRock X 570s PG Riptide $184 or
Asus Prime x570-P $200
$380-396

i5 12400f $166
MSI Mag B660M mortar wifi DDR4 $169
AsRock Z690 PG Riptide $154
$320-335

Ryzen 5 5600 $157
Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 (or Aurus Elite?) $158
Asus Prime B550-Plus $125
AsRock B550 PG Riptide $159
$282-316

Biggest question is how much is a good video card? Any recommendations for something I wont need to upgrade for while but not excessive?
I am considering priority, I know next to nothing about the differences in Motherboard except the numbers for generation.
CPU seems pretty straightforward but unsure about cooling and fans or extra "add ons"
What should I be prioritising given my needs? Confused if a cheaper MB is adequate or I need "Gaming" style one?
I might consider ordering from US or elsewhere as prices look very different to here, especially for the i5 12400f

I got prices from https://pcpartpicker.com/

Appreciate you taking the time. Trust your judgement!

Edit: Budget obviously going to be extended, Video card ideally under $200, preferably $150 or so if that is possible. If $250 or something gets me significant improvement I can do it, wondering what the "base" or "average" is for something decent.

 

[sonofjesse]

If you have a Microcenter they build computers and will help you pick parts. (just an idea)

With a video card budget of under 200, your going have to look at used cards. If you can find a 1050TI, 1070, 1080, 2060, 1660 would be some cards I would look at used.

3060 is the budget NIVDIA cards (better driver/acceleration support in MOST apps). If you can find a NON TI that will run you around 400 (with taxes).

Sounds like unless you find a good used card you might just have to use onboard graphics until you can add a card at a later date.

What are you doing for ram, power supply and case?

5700G scores for mutli, but less on single core.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4323vs4677/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700G-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12400

The 13600k/7700x are also good choices but outside your budget parameters.

After 13 years you will love a new machine. If doing photo editing with RAW files (especially if its larger 30-60MP raws) go for 32GB of dual channel ram.

 

[will2power]

If you have a Microcenter they build computers and will help you pick parts. (just an idea)

With a video card budget of under 200, your going have to look at used cards. If you can find a 1050TI, 1070, 1080, 2060, 1660 would be some cards I would look at used.

3060 is the budget NIVDIA cards (better driver/acceleration support in MOST apps). If you can find a NON TI that will run you around 400 (with taxes).

Sounds like unless you find a good used card you might just have to use onboard graphics until you can add a card at a later date.

What are you doing for ram, power supply and case?

5700G scores for mutli, but less on single core.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4323vs4677/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700G-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12400

The 13600k/7700x are also good choices but outside your budget parameters.

After 13 years you will love a new machine. If doing photo editing with RAW files (especially if its larger 30-60MP raws) go for 32GB of dual channel ram.

Thanks for this. Valuable information!

Unless I buy from US or somewhere (might get brother to post from UK) I am limited to Japanese prices which seem to be weird. Ryzen seem similar to US with the Intel CPUs overpriced. Ther are no Microcenters in Japan but most stores are competitive and offer discounts based on combinations, MB and CPU for example. Checking the net for some offers cheapest I can find for CPU is

i5 12400F $189
Ryzen 7 5700X $210
Ryzen 7 5700G $204
Ryzen 5 5600 $144

Graphics cards I can find RX 5500, 5600, 5700XT and RX 5700 MECH GP in stores that they cannot sell as new due to box damage and shop demo models etc.
On net I can find gtx 1050 TI for around $50 at cheapest. A 1070 TI for about $100 and non TI versions for $130 or so. 1080 is about $140, 1660 about $210

Edit; The Nvidia 3060 are going for about $300 2nd hand but seems they sell out quick! As you mentioned 13 years without new machine, and old one was not top of range or anything at the time either, I think almost anything will seem amazing. Would a 1050 TI or 1070 TI suffice for most photo editing? The RAW files are 24-30 Max atm but may go up when I get better PC.

I will pop over to graphics card forum and see what is recommended. Of course if you have any that you think would be suitable for me for now, let me know. I find it hard to fathom spending more on GPU than MB or CPU but perhaps the norm is super expensive graphics cards and reasonable everything else!? 32gb dual channel ram would be 2x 16GB? Any maker okay? The prices range dramatically but no idea why tbh.

 

[sonofjesse]

I did a lot of photo editing on my 3900x with 1070 (Traded it up) for a 1080.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/system-requirements.html

Can you find a used 2060 that might be a good choice.

You want to stick with Nvidia for productivity in my experience.

Do you plan on running this machine for a long time? 13 years is not really realistic even if you purchase high end parts in my opinion.

I would get the 5700G (nice to have backup graphics for troubleshooting) and a 3060 (12GB) with 32GB (two sticks of 16GB).

If your a super budget you can go with a 5700G or something and add a graphics card later.

Photoshop will work, but won't be as smooth for some edits. (depends)

Look at this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uitiHO_FwDQ
(guy said the AMD GPUS did work in photoshop for most things well)

How much is the 13600k or the 7700x in your country? (and get card later)

I want you to get the best CPU now cause you don't seem you upgrade often.

 

[will2power]

You are right that I do not upgrade often

I looked at some pre made PCs and most seem to be made with a RTX 3060 or and RTX 3050. The sites offer options to upgrade and customise. The website pc-koubou give various set ups with a CPU score and GPU score. What worries me a bit is GPU score with an RTX 3060 is about 10x that of onboard graphics.

Here are 2 different companies all using similar set ups, a i5 12400 or better, with a RTX 3060 or 3050 graphics card, a standard basic MB and option to customise for 32GB ram.

https://www.pc-koubou.jp/pc/desktop.php?pre=cmm_lde

https://www.pc-koubou.jp/products/detail.php?product_id=916813&pre=sense_adobe_cc_web

https://www.dospara.co.jp/5shopping...&mc=11766&sn=3408&st=1&vr=10&tb=2#tabContents

Edit: I think I might have got the part above mixed up, The i5 12400 series are same except one has graphics? The Ryzen series are different, the 5600G and 5700G are under the codename "Cezanne" for their set up while the graphic-less 5600, 5600X and 5700X are all "Vermeer", the 7600X and 7700X contain graphics and are "Raphael". What it all means I really am not sure, just I need to be careful believing because I have certain number with graphics included it is same construction/ performance as same number without graphics.

*removed due to mistake, see above

Makes me think for onboard graphics Intel would be better as I would be buying something same performance as but with graphics included, both i5s are same CPUs?
Part of me wants to "jump the gun" and go right for the graphics card, perhaps a 1080, I feel if I spend over certain amount should just go for the 3060. Going for something cheaper and 2nd hand will let me upgrade when it likely fails or 3060 drops in value.

"How much is the 13600k or the 7700x in your country"?

They are $363 and $378 respectively. I like the idea of going with them and forgetting about graphics for now but I am concerned with the motherboards and peripherals, I think they operate on different sockets or something? I would need to start over with MB selection. If there is decent board at decent price I could do it though.

Having a think and will start buying soon!

I will be in Akihabara Tuesday and visit the main shops I have seen online. Maybe they can make a deal. MB wise do I need to be careful with the CPUs? Sorry for all the questions