The new AIDA64 up supports Intel's unannounced Core i9-12900KS Alder Lake processor.
Core i9-12900KS with 5.2 GHz All-Core Boost Allegedly Incoming : Read more
Core i9-12900KS with 5.2 GHz All-Core Boost Allegedly Incoming : Read more
Agree, if the current offerings churn 200+ Watts in stock.I can smell the burning from here
Depends on how well the chips are binned. I believe it was the 9900KS that was significantly more efficient than the standard 9900K.Agree, if the current offerings churn 200+ Watts in stock.
I imagine these will be above the 250Watts, rivaling a high end Threadripper and harder to cool.
While I agree this is true, but it is not easy pushing another 300 Mhz all core turbo even with a good bin. If the usual 12900K have power spike to 270W or higher, pushing that from 4.9 to 5.2 is not going to come without a cost in power. Having said that, this chip will likely only interest those who are extreme overclockers or for hardcore enthusiast due to the pricing and also the need for some high end motherboard and cooling solution.Depends on how well the chips are binned. I believe it was the 9900KS that was significantly more efficient than the standard 9900K.
Alder Lake is not selling well because of multiple reasons. Adding this to the mix will not improve sales. As a matter of fact, they may see better sales with the lower end SKUs. It is just for Intel to try and defend their performance crown from whatever AMD is going to announce/ release in early 2022.Not only Alder Lake does not sell amazing, but with this move intel proves it feels the fire burning under it's *** with Zen3D approaching... #intelScaredofZen3D.
If you have extremely good yield that is better than what you expected then why wouldn't you release an even better version of a cpu?The "S" stands for "Scared of Zen3D", right? LOL
And I'm all for these better binned chips, as a proud previous owner of an i7 2700K, but this CPU is already pretty good on its own, why is there a need for a "special" edition? Why does Intel feel the need to milk its fanbois even more? Ah, wait, nevermind. There's always a need to milk fanbois more.
Regards.
Curve your expectations, I'd say. No one knows how yields are for Intel. The last KS they put out was the 9900KS, which was like 14nm++++++++ or was it "+++++"? Well, at a maturity level where they didn't really need to anyway.If you have extremely good yield that is better than what you expected then why wouldn't you release an even better version of a cpu?
Why does AMD have an X version of almost any cpu that does add nothing at all except for a higher price?
The answer to both is, because they can. Pecunia non olet. If they'll be sold, they will be made.
(the S stands for suck on this amd/tsmc)
What does this have to do with any bodies expectations? They have to have enough units for them to make a new sku which means that they have a very high yield.Curve your expectations, I'd say. No one knows how yields are for Intel. The last KS they put out was the 9900KS, which was like 14nm++++++++ or was it "+++++"? Well, at a maturity level where they didn't really need to anyway.
Dumbness depends on what somebody needs from their cpu, for a render box yes, extremely dumb, for other purposes the best thing ever.Much like with the 2600K and 2700K, 3600 and 3600X and 3600XT, this new KS is going to be as dumb as all of them. I mean, the 3800XT that I own, mind you, it's one of the dumbest CPUs of the last few years and this KS is going to battle for that position head on.
Intel already stole all of the spotlight with the normal lineup, you get "up to" 5950x performance with $200 less, amd will have to drop prices on a new tech that costs them more to make, even if this avg 15% uptake is going to be across the board.Make no mistake this is a dumb desperate move from Intel to steal some of the spotlight from AMD's announcements in Jan. We all know, more or less, what to expect. We know it'll be good and Intel is worried.
Having high or low yields have nothing to do with making a special binned CPU. That's the point. This is Intel's Marketing thinking it's a good idea to make noise with his "KS" SKU out of nowhere.What does this have to do with any bodies expectations? They have to have enough units for them to make a new sku which means that they have a very high yield.
True, but it's still dumb.Dumbness depends on what somebody needs from their cpu, for a render box yes, extremely dumb, for other purposes the best thing ever.
I don't know what your point is here, but I'll just say it doesn't matter? I'm sure most 12900K/KF SKUs can reach the same speeds with about the same power usage as the new KS will. If the current 12900K/KF performs well, then the KS is not going to shatter any new records or anything really relevant for the lineup. That's why it's just noise from Intel to deviate the attention from AMD's potetial announcements.Intel already stole all of the spotlight with the normal lineup, you get "up to" 5950x performance with $200 less, amd will have to drop prices on a new tech that costs them more to make, even if this avg 15% uptake is going to be across the board.
In cine 23 single, 15% more for the 5950x will not even reach the 12900k running at 50w, 1638 will turn into 1883, and we have seen from the last years that lower multithreaded performance isn't keeping anybody from buying intel cpus.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...er-lake-tested-at-various-power-limits/2.html
Still more than 15% faster...This just in, a single core doesn't use much power, so a power limit won't effect a single core benchmark.
What you are talking about is true for a paper launch, it doesn't matter there if they can release enough units because it's only supposed to be shown in benchmarks and not sold.Having high or low yields have nothing to do with making a special binned CPU. That's the point. This is Intel's Marketing thinking it's a good idea to make noise with his "KS" SKU out of nowhere.
No they won't, not out of the box, not without a lot of tweaking, a lot of them not at all, no matter what.I don't know what your point is here, but I'll just say it doesn't matter? I'm sure most 12900K/KF SKUs can reach the same speeds with about the same power usage as the new KS will.
I still don't understand why it's important to point that out... We know the 12900K/KF and future KS will be faster than Zen3 in ST works. As I said, it's not important here.Still more than 15% faster...
I'll agree there, as to be fair here, whenever Intel releases a "shpeshial" SKU, it always has availability. Not necessarily wide, but good enough to not be smoke and mirrors.What you are talking about is true for a paper launch, it doesn't matter there if they can release enough units because it's only supposed to be shown in benchmarks and not sold.
I very much doubt this is going to be the case for these.
Hm... Looking back, you're a bit wrong. If you go and look into most of the sites that keep track of the average speed each SKU can reach on average (I can't remember the site name!), they are all really close, making it so that it's more to people looking to break records and such.No they won't, not out of the box, not without a lot of tweaking, a lot of them not at all, no matter what.
Same performance yes, but not at the same power.
And sure, a lot of people won't care but then again it's going to be what, $30-50 bucks more? A lot of people won't mind paying that little bit extra for not having to mess with settings, which is the same reason people buy the x skews from amd.
What else would intel be so afraid of from the 3dzen? As I already said intel was selling extremely well the last few years without having any multithreaded crown, so it's not that intel is afraid of and single is going to stay in favor of intel.I still don't understand why it's important to point that out... We know the 12900K/KF and future KS will be faster than Zen3 in ST works. As I said, it's not important here.
it's silicon lottery that sadly closed down due to cpus reaching max performance with mobo default settings.Hm... Looking back, you're a bit wrong. If you go and look into most of the sites that keep track of the average speed each SKU can reach on average (I can't remember the site name!), they are all really close, making it so that it's more to people looking to break records and such.
9900KF 4.80GHz 4.60GHz 1.275V 100% 9900KF 4.90GHz 4.70GHz 1.287V Top 92% 9900KF 5.00GHz 4.80GHz 1.300V Top 37% 9900KF 5.10GHz 4.90GHz 1.312V Top 8% 9900KS 4.90GHz 4.70GHz 1.225V 100% 9900KS 5.00GHz 4.80GHz 1.250V Top 95% 9900KS 5.10GHz 4.90GHz 1.287V Top 28% 9900KS 5.20GHz 5.0GHz 1.325V Top 4%
Nice cherrypicked test.What does this have to do with any bodies expectations? They have to have enough units for them to make a new sku which means that they have a very high yield.
Dumbness depends on what somebody needs from their cpu, for a render box yes, extremely dumb, for other purposes the best thing ever.
Intel already stole all of the spotlight with the normal lineup, you get "up to" 5950x performance with $200 less, amd will have to drop prices on a new tech that costs them more to make, even if this avg 15% uptake is going to be across the board.
In cine 23 single, 15% more for the 5950x will not even reach the 12900k running at 50w, 1638 will turn into 1883, and we have seen from the last years that lower multithreaded performance isn't keeping anybody from buying intel cpus.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...er-lake-tested-at-various-power-limits/2.html
It's the only single threaded test that is being done and somewhat accepted as being of a useful app, if you don't like that one then take whatever result you do like and divide by 32 threads for the 5950x and 24 threads for the i9.Nice cherrypicked test.
thats right, but only because intel is in the lead with this test. when intel isnt in the lead, its a useless appIt's the only single threaded test that is being done and somewhat accepted as being of a useful app
Same goes for both camps, for all the time intel was in the lead it was always a shill app by shill devs for the amd crowd.thats right, but only because intel is in the lead with this test. when intel isnt in the lead, its a useless app