News Core Ultra 7 265KF staggers behind Core i7-14700K in multi-core benchmark — Arrow Lake chip has 7% higher single-core performance

[Admin]

Intel's upcoming Core Ultra 7 265KF has appeared in the Geekbench browser. It shows good single-core but uncompetitive multi-core performance, failing to beat its 14th-gen predecessor.

Core Ultra 7 265KF staggers behind Core i7-14700K in multi-core benchmark — Arrow Lake chip has 7% higher single-core performance : Read more

 

[TheHerald]

GB multi score is useless, since it's doesn't really use many cores and it's extremely memory bound. 12900k stock and I get 19.5k just because of ram speed.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Pre-release hardware and running with a single RAM stick and lower than expected clock speeds so yeah I'll take it with a grain of salt. Also we also got supposedly leaked Core Ultra 9 285K results, per WCCFTech, with an ES and QS sample, and it shows a 17.5% gain in Cinebench vs the 14900K, which I'm inclined to trust more than Geekbench.

Intel Arrow Lake "Core Ultra 9 285K" vs Raptor Lake "Core i9-14900K" CPU Leak (Source: @Jaykihn0)​

Benchmark	Core Ultra 9 285K (ES2)	Core Ultra 9 285K (QS)	Core i9-14900K (Retail)	ARL-S QS vs RPL-S Retail
CrossMark	2145	2587	2432	+6.3%
WebXPRT4 3.73	304	372	388	-4.1%
Speedometer 2.1	385	472	521	-9.4%
Geekbench 5.4.5 SC	2001	2455	2432	+1.0%
Geekbench 5.4.5 MC	22076	27381	23902	+14.5%
Cinebench R23	34975	43118	36681	+17.5%

The real question, however, is will anyone buy one if the NPU is as weak as believed? While it may not be much use right now, as fast as CPUs have become and the connectivity available, what's the real driver to buy one instead of waiting until a more powerful NPU is added?

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...er-than-meteor-lake-much-less-than-lunar-lake

 

[deesider]

The 265KF doesn't have hyperthreading while the 14700K does - so it's 20 threads vs 28 threads

 

[Nyara]

The real question, however, is will anyone buy one if the NPU is as weak as believed? While it may not be much use right now, as fast as CPUs have become and the connectivity available, what's the real driver to buy one instead of waiting until a more powerful NPU is added?

NPUs are just useful to save energy, and, on a small amount, avoid the GPU getting used by random stuff at times, so it can be at 100% for where it is more needed. For desktop, a NPU is mostly just useful for developers, and since it is just debugging on dev machine, it doesn't need much performance, really.

NPUs matters a lot more when you get into the realm of 10W TDP or lower, but Intel is launching Lunar Lake for that segment, and Lunar Laker's NPU, while not really that powerful, is still rumored to perform similarly to Qualcomm's, Apple's an AMD's offers, and that is all it needs to do for now.

If you want to do serious lifting with language or math models ("AI"), you will need a consumer/workstation videocard or workstation AI card or SoC.

 

[Kondamin]

the real question, however, is will anyone buy one if the NPU is as weak as believed? While it may not be much use right now, as fast as CPUs have become and the connectivity available, what's the real driver to buy one instead of waiting until a more powerful NPU is added?

as the launch of the Qualcomm laptops have shown us, only the marketing department cares about those tiny useless npus which will only be used in their demos and maybe zoom meetings practically to show nicer backgrounds

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

as the launch of the Qualcomm laptops have shown us, only the marketing department cares about those tiny useless npus which will only be used in their demos and maybe zoom meetings practically to show nicer backgrounds

Right now yes, but what about in, say, 5 years?

 

[Kondamin]

Right now yes, but what about in, say, 5 years?

In 5 years if things follow the normal cadence of progression what ever anemic npu was squeezed in todays chips will be totally inadequate for tasks that still have to be invented.

If by then the technology matured enough to settle down on one standard or an other.

Making it very likely what ever you buy now will have long lost any support