Counters and notes

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What would be the legality of showing up at a tournament with beads of
various colors (to be used as counters) and a key like the following to
be placed where both players can see it?

white : +1/+1
black : charge
clear : divinity
yellow : ki
red : aim
blue : training
purple : theft
green : devotion

Would it be forbidden as outside notes, necessitating its re-creation
each match for the opponent's benefit?

For that matter, if someone made tokens/counters by writing appropriate
words on blank wargame counters, would those be classified as outside
notes?
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panoptes@iquest.net (Daniel W. Johnson) writes:
> What would be the legality of showing up at a tournament with beads of
> various colors (to be used as counters) and a key like the following to
> be placed where both players can see it?
[... snip ...]
> Would it be forbidden as outside notes, necessitating its re-creation
> each match for the opponent's benefit?

I can't imagine a reason for a judge to disallow it. In fact, if I
were judging, I'd be thrilled that a player actually cared enough to
(a) bring counters, and (b) use different counters for different
things.

Certainly if there was anything iffy about it, the answer might be
different, but I can't see classifying it as "notes".

> For that matter, if someone made tokens/counters by writing appropriate
> words on blank wargame counters, would those be classified as outside
> notes?

That sounds equivalent to bringing your own Player Rewards Tokens to
use, which I can't imagine anyone having a problem with. As long as
they're really just counters & tokens, and not notes, I can't see
anyone having a problem with it.

--
Peter C.
"I have discovered a strange level of sleep deprivation in which I do
not randomly fall asleep and yet am completely incapable of
intelligent thought..." -- Jessi

 

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In news:1gtz7it.fxknxj1t5zh5aN%panoptes@iquest.net,
Daniel W. Johnson <panoptes@iquest.net> rambled:
> What would be the legality of showing up at a tournament with beads of
> various colors (to be used as counters) and a key like the following
> to be placed where both players can see it?
>
> white : +1/+1
> black : charge
> clear : divinity
> yellow : ki
> red : aim
> blue : training
> purple : theft
> green : devotion
>
> Would it be forbidden as outside notes, necessitating its re-creation
> each match for the opponent's benefit?
>
> For that matter, if someone made tokens/counters by writing
> appropriate words on blank wargame counters, would those be
> classified as outside notes?

As an opposing player, I'd call a judge immediately. I'd plead with the
judge to disallow all of this, since when I sit down to play a tournament
match of Magic, I fully expect my opponent will have to scurry around
looking for paper and dice, and rip up a couple commons to use as counters.
Your preparedness would throw me off my game, and cause me to make countless
errors. Simply unfair, this preparation.

Kidding aside, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with this. I think
the rules on notes are more for actual in-game note-taking, as opposed to a
key to your token/counter system. I'm not a judge, but if I were, I'd allow
this.

--

KB

Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

 

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Same opinion as the Peter and Briscobar, but I would make the note
a typed one, not hand scripted one. Removing chance of contraversy.


Daniel W. Johnson wrote:
> What would be the legality of showing up at a tournament with beads of
> various colors (to be used as counters) and a key like the following to
> be placed where both players can see it?
>
> white : +1/+1
> black : charge
> clear : divinity
> yellow : ki
> red : aim
> blue : training
> purple : theft
> green : devotion
>
> Would it be forbidden as outside notes, necessitating its re-creation
> each match for the opponent's benefit?
>
> For that matter, if someone made tokens/counters by writing appropriate
> words on blank wargame counters, would those be classified as outside
> notes?

 

[Phil]

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> white : +1/+1
> black : charge
> clear : divinity
> yellow : ki
> red : aim
> blue : training
> purple : theft
> green : devotion

I wouldn't have a problem with this in theory.
Since I am red/green colour blind the practice might be a little
different. Depending on the exact shades of your counters, I might be
unable to distinguish between (purple and blue) and (yellow and
green).
If it didn't give away your deck design too much, I'd ask you to
reassign your colours so that perple and green don't get used in the
match.

An alternate suggestion: Go with all black counters and paint/tip-ex
a +1,C,D,K,A etc as appropriate. You could be accused even less of
note taking, and those with colour issues will love you more!

Phil.

 

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Phil <phil@ideastakingshape.co.uk> wrote:

> An alternate suggestion: Go with all black counters and paint/tip-ex
> a +1,C,D,K,A etc as appropriate. You could be accused even less of
> note taking, and those with colour issues will love you more!

Well, if you are going to do that, you might as well go with the blank
wargame counters. (Was "black" a typo for "blank"?) Or, I think I've
seen comments about going to a print shop and photocopying a sheet of
paper onto thin cardboard. If you start with a document that has 1/2"
or 3/4" squares, the only remaining step would be cutting the result
apart.

Just for the heck of it, here is a list of counters that can (currently)
show up in Standard:

+1/+1
aim
charge
devotion
divinity
fate
flood
ki
theft
training
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panoptes@iquest.net
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039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W

 

[Phil]

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> Well, if you are going to do that, you might as well go with the blank
> wargame counters. (Was "black" a typo for "blank"?) Or, I think I've
> seen comments about going to a print shop and photocopying a sheet of
> paper onto thin cardboard. If you start with a document that has 1/2"
> or 3/4" squares, the only remaining step would be cutting the result
> apart.
>

I did mean black, I chose that colour so that white paint or tip-ex
would show up better. Customising your black counters might be
feasable if you only have one or two types of counters that your deck
uses. On the other hand, if you use them all then your original plan
is probably best.
Our gaming group uses different coloured dice for the various
counters. Usually the blue dice are life total and the purple are
creature counters, so there's no chance of me mixing them up.

Phil.

 

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Phil <phil@ideastakingshape.co.uk> wrote:

> On the other hand, if you use them all then your original plan
> is probably best.

Or if you don't want your opponent to be able to deduce anything from
what they see of your counter mix.
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Daniel W. Johnson
panoptes@iquest.net
http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W