Court Upholds Net Neutrality Rules, Now FCC Must Enforce Them

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Just what we need, more government controlling more of the private sector. I'm sure my bill will go down now.
 
So the ISP can't as easily rape us as they wanted too. When I 1st got a packaged deal for cable TV, Internet & phone it was under $100. Plus I had # DVRs. Even though I had signed up for service for a year after 3 months the price would go up. I'd call them and complain that I had the price for a year. And of course they would say "Oh there was a special promo that ended so you price has to go up. So I've cut off my phone service from them, returned all the DVRs and cut back on the TV to the minimum. And I'm still paying more. Now I can complain to the FCC about these practices before they couldn't help now at least i have an ear I can complain in.
 

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The problem is Telecommunications is far from private sector. The Cartel(Time Warner, Comcast, Verizon, Cox, ect) gets money, tax breaks, and subsidies left and right by state and local governments and yet our bills keep going up and up every year. The make matters even worse The Cartel colludes with local governments to create monopolies by baring any competitor from entering the market

In rare cases when localities had enough crap from The Cartel and tried setting up a local ISP or partner with alternatives such as Google Fiber The Cartel sues the city in state court and buys state lawmakers to prevent the weakening of the The Cartels grip on telco services.

It's hard to let the market decide when the only show in town refuses to sell you seats then sues you when you start building your own or buy some off the Amish.
 

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There are provisions in the FCC's neutrality rules to allow paid, zero-rated and direct transit traffic. The main thing the neutrality and common carrier rules do is giving service providers a somewhat more even playing field to lessen the likelihood and severity of network capacity standoffs like the Netflix vs L3/Cogent vs Comcast/AT&T cases from two years ago.
 

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When you're talking internet providers who are also TV providers, IMO the major factor in rates is the rights being charged by the content originators...especially sports rights. Wikipedia says that the NFL TV rights are costing ESPN, CBS, NBC, and Fox about $4 billion *per year*...just shy of $40B for 2014-2022. Some of this comes back, of course, from ad revenues...but I have to believe another chunk comes back from Time Warner, DirecTV, and Comcast. Plus: there have been, I think, 2 periods where my local ABC affiliate got into a spat with DirecTV over rebroadcast fees, in the last 3 or 4 years. I'm pretty sure that local network affiliate viewing rates are down...how far, I don't know...which means local stations' ad rates and incomes are down. This leads credence to them trying to squeeze the cable and satellite packages.
 

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The problem is there is no competition in most markets for broadband. Some cities only allow only one cable service and no fois in. So your options for broadband is very limited. So if Charter wishes to slow me down on a website they can do that. They have in fact on occasions slowed my connection down. They say I can't run a private server and so they slow me down all the time. Now they can't.
 

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The only people who are for regulation of the internet are those who were indoctrinated in public schools and have no understanding of how a free market deals with monopolies. Sadly, that includes almost every American. How many times does government have to ruin something before we wake up and realize that it is the problem and not the solution?
 

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Let me get this straight... you're not disagreeing with the comment which you quoted? Of course not, because everything that you have described that is wrong with the current system is the fault of government.

Tax breaks from government.
Subsidies from government.
Lawsuits upheld by government.

The only monopolies that exist in true free enterprise are the ones who provide the best service for the best price. Government created monopolies are the ones we have to worry about. So why is it that we think more government is going to solve anything here? In fact, we should know that it will do the opposite! I know that no one here believes that senators, congressman, and even the president can be paid off, but those saints who work for the FCC cannot.
 

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It's not really clear what you're proposing, as an alternative. So, instead of a system of laws created by elected representatives, do you think we should instead live in some kind of lawless world where disputes are only ended at the point of a gun? Is that really a more fair and equitable world?

Because, if not, then yes: government is going to be in the picture. The proper role of government is to represent the interests of the people and serve as their intermediary in matters of collective interest. To disregard this fact undermines your argument.

That's blatantly wrong. Companies are always searching for ways to create barriers to entry for would-be competitors and to lock up markets with various forms of exclusivity arrangements. Furthermore, customers have limited access to information and limited options from which to choose.

This is why the economy needs regulation, if you believe that it should serve the interests of the people. And too often, we forget that this is ultimately the purpose of the economy - to distribute resources most efficiently, for the good of the people. When it veers too far off course, that's when you get revolutions leading to socialism, communism, or autocracies. I think you and I can both agree those would be bad.

Government is merely a tool, and one we cannot do without. At its best, it serves the interests of the governed. At its worst, it serves the interests of bureaucrats, politicians, and the most powerful people or "persons". Corporations and wealthy individuals understand this, and try to bend it to suit their purposes. The challenge is how to minimize their influence, while still empowering government to serve the people. The solution is more transparency, accountability, and to fix campaign finance. I would also like to see fewer and simpler laws, as that correlates with less corruption and better governance.
 

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So what is your answer to a City who signed a deal with The Cartel to only allow Comcast in the market and does everything to stop Google from laying fiber? Or what about The State blocking a City from forming a cooperative ISP after The Cartel told them to get bent when asked and offered money to improve service?

"Let the free market decide" is NOT a valid answer because there is no free market in either example because The Cartel has some level of Government on their payroll.

 


I agree we need to get rid of all the regulations that keep businesses from making money, like on drinking water it works so well for Flint. Lets deregulate food inspection that's just a waste of money right, food producers would never sell us tainted food or water. Lets deregulate all banking controls haven't the big banks proved to us again and again they have only our best interest in mind. And why waste all the money fixing roads if I'm not driving on them why should I have to pay for them. And I don't have any kids going to school so I should have to pay for schools in my area or any area for that mater. And don't get me started on stop lights, who decided Red means stop what if I want to go on Red? We should deregulate the rules of the road and let us be free of all this government intrusions into our lives. We should be able to drive where we want whether there is a lane there or not. And if we don't want to stop for a light or a sign that should be our god given right. Didn't God say in the bible go forth! How can we go forth with all these lights and signs?
 
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