CPU and Radiator Upgrade now or wait until 2020?

[eduardogotaypr]

Ok so i just built a new pc. But im a little concerned about buying a new
NZXT Kraken X72 360mm radiator now and a new upcoming Gen3 Ryzen CPU by the end of this year or this summer. Hearing that AM4 will only be supported until 2020, is it really worth buying new upcoming Ryzen CPU and a 360mm radiator that supports AM4 or should i just buy a decent average radiator now and stay with my Ryzen 3 2200g which is working really good right now? Plus rumors are that DDR5 will be out in 2020 too. I dont know what to do, any suggestions? Upgrade now or wait to 2020/2021?

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G
GPU: AMD RX 580
RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z RGB DDR4 3000 2x8GB
MBD: Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING

 

[bniknafs9]

an average 360 mm rad would not be that expensive so you should not obsess over it . plus ,, it'll probably support whatever comes after am4 probably am4+ ? !

 

[drea.drechsler]

Things to consider: AMD ending support to AM4 socket doesn't mean AM4 will go away and Ryzen 3000 hasn't even come out yet. The last of that line probably won't come out until some time into 2020. Any well chosen R3000 processor you buy should be able to hold you over for at least three years so you should have at least 4 years, possibly as much as 5, on a well chosen AM4 motherboard of today. Of course that assumes you're not the type who has to have only the latest but instead likes to get fair use out of your hardware before upgrading... which is a fair assumption else you'd not ask such a question in the first place!

Lastly: unlike their competition AMD has consistently shown a penchant for not forcing obsolescence so there's great possibility that whatever follows AM4 be compatible with AM4 coolers. Then as bniknafs9 says, most any decent cooler MFR will almost certainly offer brackets to adapt pre-existing coolers if it does happen.

As with most things in life there are no guarantees but I'm pretty sure you have no reason to worry about getting value out of a cooler purchase today.

 

[drea.drechsler]

... Plus rumors are that DDR5 will be out in 2020 too. I dont know what to do, any suggestions? Upgrade now or wait to 2020/2021?
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Re-reading your post...it seems you're also concerned about DDR5 which is pretty peculiar since going DDR5 will mean upgrading CPU and motherboard at the same time.

Why would you be concerned about a 360 radiator for a 2200g, that you're not even using the iGPU, if you're contemplating new CPU, motherboard and memory already? Especially since none of them exist as anything more than rumours.

Personally, i wouldn't be concerned about DDR5 as it's such a big uncertainty at the moment. I note that no one is in a rush to go there yet, must be a reason. I suspect it has very high latency that negates it's clock speed, and it's greatest value will be high-memory laptops due to it's very low power utilization.

And as a note: that radiator would be over-kill in the extreme for a 2200g. In fact, it's overkill even for a 2700 in that motherboard as it doesn't have a VRM that can support all-core overclocking it high enough to merit it's cooling potential.

 

[eduardogotaypr]

... Plus rumors are that DDR5 will be out in 2020 too. I dont know what to do, any suggestions? Upgrade now or wait to 2020/2021?
...

Re-reading your post...it seems you're also concerned about DDR5 which is pretty peculiar since going DDR5 will mean upgrading CPU and motherboard at the same time.

Why would you be concerned about a 360 radiator for a 2200g, that you're not even using the iGPU, if you're contemplating new CPU, motherboard and memory already? Especially since none of them exist as anything more than rumours.

Personally, i wouldn't be concerned about DDR5 as it's such a big uncertainty at the moment. I note that no one is in a rush to go there yet, must be a reason. I suspect it has very high latency that negates it's clock speed, and it's greatest value will be high-memory laptops due to it's very low power utilization.

And as a note: that radiator would be over-kill in the extreme for a 2200g. In fact, it's overkill even for a 2700 in that motherboard as it doesn't have a VRM that can support all-core overclocking it high enough to merit it's cooling potential.

Alright, so as in ddr5 i shouldnt worry, and im worried about the radiator because i plan to upgrade that 2200g this summer probably if new Ryzen CPUs come out by that time i plan to buy a Gen 3, so im just planning ahead and just buy the radiator and will only have to buy the cpu later on.

 

[eduardogotaypr]

Things to consider: AMD ending support to AM4 socket doesn't mean AM4 will go away and Ryzen 3000 hasn't even come out yet. The last of that line probably won't come out until some time into 2020. Any well chosen R3000 processor you buy should be able to hold you over for at least three years so you should have at least 4 years, possibly as much as 5, on a well chosen AM4 motherboard of today. Of course that assumes you're not the type who has to have only the latest but instead likes to get fair use out of your hardware before upgrading... which is a fair assumption else you'd not ask such a question in the first place!

Lastly: unlike their competition AMD has consistently shown a penchant for not forcing obsolescence so there's great possibility that whatever follows AM4 be compatible with AM4 coolers. Then as bniknafs9 says, most any decent cooler MFR will almost certainly offer brackets to adapt pre-existing coolers if it does happen.

As with most things in life there are no guarantees but I'm pretty sure you have no reason to worry about getting value out of a cooler purchase today.

I mean i have plans, as in editing and uploading gaming videos to youtube so thats why im trying to get all the info i can. I mean is my first build and i want to know. But thanks tho, i plan to upgrade the cpu once new Ryzen 3 cpus come out so i want to have a decent radiator for it and oc.

 

[drea.drechsler]

I mean i have plans, as in editing and uploading gaming videos to youtube so thats why im trying to get all the info i can. I mean is my first build and i want to know. But thanks tho, i plan to upgrade the cpu once new Ryzen 3 cpus come out so i want to have a decent radiator for it and oc.

I'd totally wait until you get the Ryzen 3000 processor to decide on a cooling solution for it.

 

[cryoburner]

Yeah, how do you even know that a high-end cooler will even be needed?

The Ryzen 3000 series will be manufactured on a new 7nm process, as opposed to the 12/14nm process used for CPUs from the last several years, which should result in lower power consumption and in turn heat output for a given level of performance. That cooler would be overkill for any existing Ryzen processor, and while the upcoming ones should clock higher, it's unlikely that they'll be any more power-hungry for a given core count. I would absolutely wait until those processors are out and it's known what their heat output will be like before considering the purchase of a high-end cooler. It's possible that even a $50 tower cooler might be more than enough to handle overclocking them to their limits. Or you might even be fine with performance on their boxed cooler.

And a 2200G definitely shouldn't require water cooling. It's possible to overclock it a decent amount on its included cooler if you don't mind the fan ramping up, or on a cheap $30+ 120mm tower cooler if you want something better.

Unless you eventually find there to be some significant benefit to it (which seems unlikely), save the money from that high-end AIO to put toward other hardware. You might potentially find the 7nm graphics cards AMD launches later this year to be worth an upgrade, for example. Considering most games tend to be limited by graphics card performance much more than CPU performance, I would much rather put a couple hundred dollars toward getting a graphics card that gets me upward of 50% more performance than a high-end cooler that only gets me around 5% more performance. High-end coolers should only be considered if the rest of your system is already high-end, and you are trying to get a little bit more performance out of it. Even then, the performance-per-dollar gains tend to be rather poor.

 

[eduardogotaypr]

Yeah, how do you even know that a high-end cooler will even be needed?

The Ryzen 3000 series will be manufactured on a new 7nm process, as opposed to the 12/14nm process used for CPUs from the last several years, which should result in lower power consumption and in turn heat output for a given level of performance. That cooler would be overkill for any existing Ryzen processor, and while the upcoming ones should clock higher, it's unlikely that they'll be any more power-hungry for a given core count. I would absolutely wait until those processors are out and it's known what their heat output will be like before considering the purchase of a high-end cooler. It's possible that even a $50 tower cooler might be more than enough to handle overclocking them to their limits. Or you might even be fine with performance on their boxed cooler.

And a 2200G definitely shouldn't require water cooling. It's possible to overclock it a decent amount on its included cooler if you don't mind the fan ramping up, or on a cheap $30+ 120mm tower cooler if you want something better.

Unless you eventually find there to be some significant benefit to it (which seems unlikely), save the money from that high-end AIO to put toward other hardware. You might potentially find the 7nm graphics cards AMD launches later this year to be worth an upgrade, for example. Considering most games tend to be limited by graphics card performance much more than CPU performance, I would much rather put a couple hundred dollars toward getting a graphics card that gets me upward of 50% more performance than a high-end cooler that only gets me around 5% more performance. High-end coolers should only be considered if the rest of your system is already high-end, and you are trying to get a little bit more performance out of it. Even then, the performance-per-dollar gains tend to be rather poor.

Makes sense, Thanks, ill have that in mind now